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		<title>By: toy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/01/adults_preying_.html/comment-page-1#comment-54133</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes in the language sense 18 and 19 are still teens but in a legal sense we are considered adults :)

toy
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes in the language sense 18 and 19 are still teens but in a legal sense we are considered adults <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;18 is not teen. 13-18 is teen. &quot;

Let&#039;s see... eightTEEN, nineTEEN... yeah, I&#039;d say 18 and 19 is still a teen, whether you are willing to admit it or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;18 is not teen. 13-18 is teen. &#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230; eightTEEN, nineTEEN&#8230; yeah, I&#8217;d say 18 and 19 is still a teen, whether you are willing to admit it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: lphntschld</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/01/adults_preying_.html/comment-page-1#comment-54131</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just type online enticement of children for sexual acts into a search engine and pick your favorite agency to report these people
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		<title>By: Darksoul</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/01/adults_preying_.html/comment-page-1#comment-54130</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quotes dyerbrook

&quot;Liberals such as myself&quot;

/end quote

If that isn&#039;t the most ridiculous statement I&#039;ve seen yet on this blog OMG ROFLMAO. Please, someone help Me before I laugh Myself into hyperventilation.









&quot;Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quotes dyerbrook</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberals such as myself&#8221;</p>
<p>/end quote</p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t the most ridiculous statement I&#8217;ve seen yet on this blog OMG ROFLMAO. Please, someone help Me before I laugh Myself into hyperventilation.</p>
<p>&#8220;Puritanism &#8211; the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lphntschld</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/01/adults_preying_.html/comment-page-1#comment-54129</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also...it is not the responsibility of a minor to violate TOS and safe internet practice by revealing personal information such as age to accomodate those who are too irresponsible to to know and follow the applicable laws and terms of agreement in a teen rated game. Anyone who chooses to do so has run the risk of punishment by law. That&#039;s their choice. Not the childs, not Maxis, or anyone elses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;it is not the responsibility of a minor to violate TOS and safe internet practice by revealing personal information such as age to accomodate those who are too irresponsible to to know and follow the applicable laws and terms of agreement in a teen rated game. Anyone who chooses to do so has run the risk of punishment by law. That&#8217;s their choice. Not the childs, not Maxis, or anyone elses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lphntschld</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/01/adults_preying_.html/comment-page-1#comment-54128</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in another post, sexual misconduct with a minor is a crime punishable by law. The FBI has a division set up to protect children on the internet and to enforce the law. In addition to reporting the incident to Maxis the FBI should also be notified.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in another post, sexual misconduct with a minor is a crime punishable by law. The FBI has a division set up to protect children on the internet and to enforce the law. In addition to reporting the incident to Maxis the FBI should also be notified.</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 is not teen. 13-18 is teen. once you tick over to 18 you are by all physical aspects an adult. However it&#039;s what&#039;s inside your head that counts tho.

- RB
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		<title>By: toy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes toy was a teen...... 18 to be exact..  and Your constant spouting the same things over and over and over ad nauseum dyerbrook....  just Who assigned You as over seer of this girl? my god You cant even control Yourself. Now how would You expect any reasonble and logic person react to You....... toy reacts to You with treating You as a complete non-entity.. like a dirty CD playing the same line over and over....... it gets tiring

toy is 19 now. and feels she knows more about life than You can ever hope to learn so will add &#039;pity&#039; to her non-entity status of You


falara kajira toy :)


rest well Dyerbrook, toy always does :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes toy was a teen&#8230;&#8230; 18 to be exact..  and Your constant spouting the same things over and over and over ad nauseum dyerbrook&#8230;.  just Who assigned You as over seer of this girl? my god You cant even control Yourself. Now how would You expect any reasonble and logic person react to You&#8230;&#8230;. toy reacts to You with treating You as a complete non-entity.. like a dirty CD playing the same line over and over&#8230;&#8230;. it gets tiring</p>
<p>toy is 19 now. and feels she knows more about life than You can ever hope to learn so will add &#8216;pity&#8217; to her non-entity status of You</p>
<p>falara kajira toy <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>rest well Dyerbrook, toy always does <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dyerbrook</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By her own admission, Toy got into this lifestyle *while still a teenager*. That suggests that a) those who brought her into this lifestyle cared not a whit about her underage status, and b) that her parents were looking the other way, or worse.

I, for one, won&#039;t stand by and pretend we&#039;re all joined together in a civic do-gooder committee together with BDSM practioners, who claim they care oh, so much, about little kiddies. NFW. And Urizenus&#039; Rodney Kingisms be damned, along with his weepy calls about slaying that whatsis dragon.  There is no joint civic venture that I or any other sane parent is going to get going with practitioners of BDSM. Why? Because as Lpntschld pointed out earlier, they engage in lewd behavior throughout the game and create a permissive climate for child abuse, *even if they can&#039;t be caught in the act of performing it*. We&#039;re informed by a major newspaper that Maxis itself has a spokesman saying that they do not tolerate &quot;sexual content&quot; in the game. Now naturally, this is one for the media, their lawyers, the ERSB, player, etc. to determine, what such &quot;content&quot; is. But we all know what it is. And we know that it is fired and generated largely by BDSM on its 30 out of 100 romance lots and counting, with its hundreds of adherents, and not by some kids.

I&#039;m not going to rehearse all the extensive argument I&#039;ve made about why BDSM is wrong, why it does not belong in this game, why it is an offense in at least 2-3 ways against the TOS. Instead, what I&#039;d like to do is sum up &quot;what we now know&quot; about BDSM and why they cannot be &quot;trusted partners&quot; in the community effort of making the game safe for the teens and children it says can come in the game, and *why players should petition against them in the game* if they do not move to a separate city or get the game company to make a separate server.

1.  BDSMers are willing to call teenagers and children the seductive sluts in the game, and turn the spotlight away from their own obscene actions. That&#039;s just frankly appalling. That the majority of kids in the game are nothing like the few griefers who IM &quot;wanna f**k&quot; doesn&#039;t matter to them. *They have mischaracterized the children in this game, they do not ascribe to the notion that they are innocents as a class of people, and therefore their claimed intentions to protect them are bogus.*

2.  Many BDSM practitioners brag that they first came to &quot;the lifestyle&quot; as teens. So they are their own worst advertisement for the notion of the protection of youth. The very worst.

3.  BDSMers are willing to make obscene and lurid lot and sim profiles, and parade around the game, regardless of whether there are kids in the room or not. A parent who has bought a teen-rated game, and sat next to their child as he went around the game, keeping a careful eye on their interactions, and put the filter on even, is suddenly entrapped into being an unwilling party to their child seeing lurid descriptions of BDSM lifestyles, or worse, be picked up by a BDSMer who starts out with an operating premise, as we have seen, that teens are sluts. The BDSMers show absolutely no willingness to show restraint in this matter.

4.  The BDSMers have tacitly acknowledged that there is a huge problem, because they write &quot;You must be 21&quot; on their lot profiles and try to weed out kids on the basis of bad spelling, in ability to give their birth year quickly, or other facile tips, but they can&#039;t catch everyone. Why, as we well know, they are precisely the folks who are telling how impossible it is to police a game, how impossible it is to use Paypal verification, how impossible it is to keep conniving, wily, ostensibly slut-like kids from getting into over-21 games. OK, then *HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY AREN&#039;T ON YOUR LOT DUH???* I can drive a Mack truck through that hole in your argument. You say we can&#039;t have an adult server because it&#039;s technically not feasible or enforceable. *And yet you want me to entrust the self-management and screening of your lots under those circumstances.* Are you mad???

5.  BDSMers ask us to trust their judgement. But why on earth should we do that? We&#039;ve seen on these boards, thanks to my provocative posts that have flushed them out, what abominable creatures they are, what methods they use, how low they stoop, how relentless they are, how they fit all the classic profiles of griefers.  They twist every word, they taunt, they tease, they make personal attacks, they use specious arguments, they use every Bolshevik rhetorical trick in the book. They spell out in lurid detail all the base things that they do. THESE are the people we&#039;re supposed to trust in screening out kids from their bestial lots and THESE are the people we are to trust to use restraint? Hardly. So let that be a lesson to you Lord Cougar, in how poorly was your gamble that an offensive world work -- and yes, I&#039;ve certainly noticed if no one else has that for being an acknowledged mastermind of this community, you&#039;ve been strangely absent from this discussion, so as to lurk and bide your time. Your days are numbered.

6.  Assault, battery, kidnapping, enslavement, systematic mental cruelty -- these are all crimes. Consent is not an acceptable legal defense. Rather than merely plead for freedom from prosecution if they &quot;mind their own business,&quot; BDSMers go to extreme lengths to try to turn logic on its ear, to say black is white, to distract from their criminal activity by blaming football players, George Bush going to Iraq, dentists, wife abusers, war game manufacturers, and every other target of PC attack rather than look at their own deeds.  Frankly, it&#039;s straight from hell. This kind of specious, whining, silly argument on your part is the greatest feature of your being discredited on these boards -- many see it, and they are not persuaded by your arguments for tolerance because of it.

7.  Liberals such as myself who are willing to tolerate BDSM private activity on private lots,  have suggested that they go to a separate server or even look for a game without such young kids in it, and to restrain themselves. But they have a conscious plan of attack, and are making absolutely no concessions - the creation of Rose and Petals was the moral equivalent of &quot;Shock and Awe&quot;. Indeed, such liberals who don&#039;t call for banning BDSM from the game outright, but merely for some restraint and manners -- the kind of manners we vanillas are always told to mind -- are called bigots, haters, Nazis, book-burners, witch-hunters, and asked if they&#039;d like to have separate servers for whites, Christians, etc. and if they&#039;d lock out gays or blacks. It&#039;s sick. What they didn&#039;t count on is that their initial parry, calling me a bigot and an intolerant jerk, will not intimidate me, or indeed anyone who is thoughtful about the very real problem of TSO becoming so &quot;seamy&quot;, but will only make more and more people mad.

8. The lurid display on these boards, with the prancing and mincing of impudent hounds of hell, with the trance-like chanting of Gorean words and the sordid details of nipple-piercing and blood-letting in cat-fights, should provide ample materials for all the Cynical Psychologists out there who want to make careers and money off the sickness of this game. But if Urizenus has the guts to leave it up, or at least archived, it will also prove fodder for a whole range of actors, whether Congressmen, the FBI, or various religious groups, not to mention the media, to heavily question this form of entertainment in our society, if it comes to this. And there will be an inevitable backlash.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By her own admission, Toy got into this lifestyle *while still a teenager*. That suggests that a) those who brought her into this lifestyle cared not a whit about her underage status, and b) that her parents were looking the other way, or worse.</p>
<p>I, for one, won&#8217;t stand by and pretend we&#8217;re all joined together in a civic do-gooder committee together with BDSM practioners, who claim they care oh, so much, about little kiddies. NFW. And Urizenus&#8217; Rodney Kingisms be damned, along with his weepy calls about slaying that whatsis dragon.  There is no joint civic venture that I or any other sane parent is going to get going with practitioners of BDSM. Why? Because as Lpntschld pointed out earlier, they engage in lewd behavior throughout the game and create a permissive climate for child abuse, *even if they can&#8217;t be caught in the act of performing it*. We&#8217;re informed by a major newspaper that Maxis itself has a spokesman saying that they do not tolerate &#8220;sexual content&#8221; in the game. Now naturally, this is one for the media, their lawyers, the ERSB, player, etc. to determine, what such &#8220;content&#8221; is. But we all know what it is. And we know that it is fired and generated largely by BDSM on its 30 out of 100 romance lots and counting, with its hundreds of adherents, and not by some kids.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to rehearse all the extensive argument I&#8217;ve made about why BDSM is wrong, why it does not belong in this game, why it is an offense in at least 2-3 ways against the TOS. Instead, what I&#8217;d like to do is sum up &#8220;what we now know&#8221; about BDSM and why they cannot be &#8220;trusted partners&#8221; in the community effort of making the game safe for the teens and children it says can come in the game, and *why players should petition against them in the game* if they do not move to a separate city or get the game company to make a separate server.</p>
<p>1.  BDSMers are willing to call teenagers and children the seductive sluts in the game, and turn the spotlight away from their own obscene actions. That&#8217;s just frankly appalling. That the majority of kids in the game are nothing like the few griefers who IM &#8220;wanna f**k&#8221; doesn&#8217;t matter to them. *They have mischaracterized the children in this game, they do not ascribe to the notion that they are innocents as a class of people, and therefore their claimed intentions to protect them are bogus.*</p>
<p>2.  Many BDSM practitioners brag that they first came to &#8220;the lifestyle&#8221; as teens. So they are their own worst advertisement for the notion of the protection of youth. The very worst.</p>
<p>3.  BDSMers are willing to make obscene and lurid lot and sim profiles, and parade around the game, regardless of whether there are kids in the room or not. A parent who has bought a teen-rated game, and sat next to their child as he went around the game, keeping a careful eye on their interactions, and put the filter on even, is suddenly entrapped into being an unwilling party to their child seeing lurid descriptions of BDSM lifestyles, or worse, be picked up by a BDSMer who starts out with an operating premise, as we have seen, that teens are sluts. The BDSMers show absolutely no willingness to show restraint in this matter.</p>
<p>4.  The BDSMers have tacitly acknowledged that there is a huge problem, because they write &#8220;You must be 21&#8243; on their lot profiles and try to weed out kids on the basis of bad spelling, in ability to give their birth year quickly, or other facile tips, but they can&#8217;t catch everyone. Why, as we well know, they are precisely the folks who are telling how impossible it is to police a game, how impossible it is to use Paypal verification, how impossible it is to keep conniving, wily, ostensibly slut-like kids from getting into over-21 games. OK, then *HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY AREN&#8217;T ON YOUR LOT DUH???* I can drive a Mack truck through that hole in your argument. You say we can&#8217;t have an adult server because it&#8217;s technically not feasible or enforceable. *And yet you want me to entrust the self-management and screening of your lots under those circumstances.* Are you mad???</p>
<p>5.  BDSMers ask us to trust their judgement. But why on earth should we do that? We&#8217;ve seen on these boards, thanks to my provocative posts that have flushed them out, what abominable creatures they are, what methods they use, how low they stoop, how relentless they are, how they fit all the classic profiles of griefers.  They twist every word, they taunt, they tease, they make personal attacks, they use specious arguments, they use every Bolshevik rhetorical trick in the book. They spell out in lurid detail all the base things that they do. THESE are the people we&#8217;re supposed to trust in screening out kids from their bestial lots and THESE are the people we are to trust to use restraint? Hardly. So let that be a lesson to you Lord Cougar, in how poorly was your gamble that an offensive world work &#8212; and yes, I&#8217;ve certainly noticed if no one else has that for being an acknowledged mastermind of this community, you&#8217;ve been strangely absent from this discussion, so as to lurk and bide your time. Your days are numbered.</p>
<p>6.  Assault, battery, kidnapping, enslavement, systematic mental cruelty &#8212; these are all crimes. Consent is not an acceptable legal defense. Rather than merely plead for freedom from prosecution if they &#8220;mind their own business,&#8221; BDSMers go to extreme lengths to try to turn logic on its ear, to say black is white, to distract from their criminal activity by blaming football players, George Bush going to Iraq, dentists, wife abusers, war game manufacturers, and every other target of PC attack rather than look at their own deeds.  Frankly, it&#8217;s straight from hell. This kind of specious, whining, silly argument on your part is the greatest feature of your being discredited on these boards &#8212; many see it, and they are not persuaded by your arguments for tolerance because of it.</p>
<p>7.  Liberals such as myself who are willing to tolerate BDSM private activity on private lots,  have suggested that they go to a separate server or even look for a game without such young kids in it, and to restrain themselves. But they have a conscious plan of attack, and are making absolutely no concessions &#8211; the creation of Rose and Petals was the moral equivalent of &#8220;Shock and Awe&#8221;. Indeed, such liberals who don&#8217;t call for banning BDSM from the game outright, but merely for some restraint and manners &#8212; the kind of manners we vanillas are always told to mind &#8212; are called bigots, haters, Nazis, book-burners, witch-hunters, and asked if they&#8217;d like to have separate servers for whites, Christians, etc. and if they&#8217;d lock out gays or blacks. It&#8217;s sick. What they didn&#8217;t count on is that their initial parry, calling me a bigot and an intolerant jerk, will not intimidate me, or indeed anyone who is thoughtful about the very real problem of TSO becoming so &#8220;seamy&#8221;, but will only make more and more people mad.</p>
<p>8. The lurid display on these boards, with the prancing and mincing of impudent hounds of hell, with the trance-like chanting of Gorean words and the sordid details of nipple-piercing and blood-letting in cat-fights, should provide ample materials for all the Cynical Psychologists out there who want to make careers and money off the sickness of this game. But if Urizenus has the guts to leave it up, or at least archived, it will also prove fodder for a whole range of actors, whether Congressmen, the FBI, or various religious groups, not to mention the media, to heavily question this form of entertainment in our society, if it comes to this. And there will be an inevitable backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: snoops</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a younger cousin who occasionally plays a sim of mine.I put on the &quot;profanity&quot; filter and STAY IN THE ROOM the whole time.Really, it is up to the parents to pay attention to such issues.The internet is a wonderful toy;one to be used with caution.Adults must weigh the risks carefully and take the necessarey steps to insure their childs safety.
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