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		<title>By: Thang</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53253</link>
		<dc:creator>Thang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Dyerbrok have you ever heard of Safe, Sane and Consensual? Sir I pass on my RL accomplishments but I am sane enough to exert my civic and parental rights without supervision, as an adult. So if I say I want a Master or a Mistress in TSO (this is a game, roleplay, remember), that I want to be owned, of my own free will, who are you to question that? I have never ever been ill-treated in all the months that I have been a member of the Rose Thorn community. On the contrary, people are more polite and considerate than in vanilla community. I suspect your issue about &quot;slavery&quot; could well be a front for something else &quot;that dares not speak its name&quot;.  BDSM is about love, a love freely given, freely received, shared and treasured, the end of aloofness, this XXIth century disease...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Dyerbrok have you ever heard of Safe, Sane and Consensual? Sir I pass on my RL accomplishments but I am sane enough to exert my civic and parental rights without supervision, as an adult. So if I say I want a Master or a Mistress in TSO (this is a game, roleplay, remember), that I want to be owned, of my own free will, who are you to question that? I have never ever been ill-treated in all the months that I have been a member of the Rose Thorn community. On the contrary, people are more polite and considerate than in vanilla community. I suspect your issue about &#8220;slavery&#8221; could well be a front for something else &#8220;that dares not speak its name&#8221;.  BDSM is about love, a love freely given, freely received, shared and treasured, the end of aloofness, this XXIth century disease&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maria LaVeaux</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53252</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria LaVeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dyer;

&quot;BTW, I realize I&#039;ve been terribly remiss, given my belief that slavery is abhorent and that consent is dubious when expressed by the BDSM crowd, in announcing that I am refusing to continue talking to a sub/slave, and yet continuing to debate a domme/owner, as if a domme owner is free, and her sub isn&#039;t free, and a free person in a free society can talk to an owner as if they are inhabiting some kind of free sphere still. How terrible of me! That was just due to pure thoughtessness on my part. That&#039;s going to end right now. Good-bye Maria. &quot;

I think i hit a nerve here. :)
Roughly Translated, Dyer can no longer offer any Valid debate on his position so he shall cease to debate all together.

Mistress Maria LaVeaux Bows and sheaths her Rapier keen wit as her opponent concedes defeat and retreats to lick his wounds.

My toy, There was never any hope of Dyerbrook answering your questions. Not because he felt himself above you (Though he will tell that to himself in a Vain attempt to preserve his own ego) but because your questions cut to the very Marrow of his arguements and he indeed had no answers. Faced with the Hypocracy of this paper thin Veneer of superiority, Dyer chooses not to continue debate, but rather, to turn tail and run.

A final (I hope) word for the very estimable Mr. Dyerbrook; I DID warn you chere, as follows.

&quot;Chere,, I would have thought you had had enough humiliation from the last thread, why don&#039;t you take your Moral Majority of One, and find a more surmountable &quot;Sin&quot; you are just not intellectually up to this one.&quot;

You should have Listened from the start and saved yourself the Embarassment of crawling from the fields with your empty and unconvincing cries of &quot;I am Too Good to continue arguing with you&quot;
I don&#039;t buy it and neither i think does anyone else.

Your worthy Opponent.
Maria LaVeaux
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dyer;</p>
<p>&#8220;BTW, I realize I&#8217;ve been terribly remiss, given my belief that slavery is abhorent and that consent is dubious when expressed by the BDSM crowd, in announcing that I am refusing to continue talking to a sub/slave, and yet continuing to debate a domme/owner, as if a domme owner is free, and her sub isn&#8217;t free, and a free person in a free society can talk to an owner as if they are inhabiting some kind of free sphere still. How terrible of me! That was just due to pure thoughtessness on my part. That&#8217;s going to end right now. Good-bye Maria. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think i hit a nerve here. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Roughly Translated, Dyer can no longer offer any Valid debate on his position so he shall cease to debate all together.</p>
<p>Mistress Maria LaVeaux Bows and sheaths her Rapier keen wit as her opponent concedes defeat and retreats to lick his wounds.</p>
<p>My toy, There was never any hope of Dyerbrook answering your questions. Not because he felt himself above you (Though he will tell that to himself in a Vain attempt to preserve his own ego) but because your questions cut to the very Marrow of his arguements and he indeed had no answers. Faced with the Hypocracy of this paper thin Veneer of superiority, Dyer chooses not to continue debate, but rather, to turn tail and run.</p>
<p>A final (I hope) word for the very estimable Mr. Dyerbrook; I DID warn you chere, as follows.</p>
<p>&#8220;Chere,, I would have thought you had had enough humiliation from the last thread, why don&#8217;t you take your Moral Majority of One, and find a more surmountable &#8220;Sin&#8221; you are just not intellectually up to this one.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should have Listened from the start and saved yourself the Embarassment of crawling from the fields with your empty and unconvincing cries of &#8220;I am Too Good to continue arguing with you&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t buy it and neither i think does anyone else.</p>
<p>Your worthy Opponent.<br />
Maria LaVeaux</p>
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		<title>By: toy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53251</link>
		<dc:creator>toy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toy can only assume that you read the site dyer and saw only what you wished to see. very much like your misrepresentation of the stratics thread about BDSM..  :)

flara kajira toy :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toy can only assume that you read the site dyer and saw only what you wished to see. very much like your misrepresentation of the stratics thread about BDSM..  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>flara kajira toy <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dyerbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyerbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess what Lady J, choke on this. I already reviewed your &quot;private&quot; site as the URL was sent to me. I didn&#039;t see a single communication that proves the point that Maxis intended the ban on &quot;slavery&quot; to be a bow to sensibilities of Africa Americans. You&#039;ve been blowing too many bubbles.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess what Lady J, choke on this. I already reviewed your &#8220;private&#8221; site as the URL was sent to me. I didn&#8217;t see a single communication that proves the point that Maxis intended the ban on &#8220;slavery&#8221; to be a bow to sensibilities of Africa Americans. You&#8217;ve been blowing too many bubbles.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria LaVeaux</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53249</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria LaVeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The persons directly involved have posted Maxis&#039;s communications to them on another site along with what they believe to be the Bio entries that EA objected to. the site deals woth with alternative lifestyles and perhaps Dyer might find it disturbing BUT if asked, and with uri&#039;s permission, i will provide the site link so you can read it first hand. The letter above appears to be Maxis/EA&#039;s final say on the matter, and one which proves the preceding comments and communications DID indeed exist.

But again, We have seen Dyer has a problem at times with simple linear thinking and therefore, this bit of logic may be lost on him.

Maria.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The persons directly involved have posted Maxis&#8217;s communications to them on another site along with what they believe to be the Bio entries that EA objected to. the site deals woth with alternative lifestyles and perhaps Dyer might find it disturbing BUT if asked, and with uri&#8217;s permission, i will provide the site link so you can read it first hand. The letter above appears to be Maxis/EA&#8217;s final say on the matter, and one which proves the preceding comments and communications DID indeed exist.</p>
<p>But again, We have seen Dyer has a problem at times with simple linear thinking and therefore, this bit of logic may be lost on him.</p>
<p>Maria.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Julianna</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53248</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Julianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just know you&#039;re going to have trouble with this one Dyer. Let me put it another way.

You have asked for private correspondence between members of our community and EA. The answer is simple... No.

Now go choke on it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just know you&#8217;re going to have trouble with this one Dyer. Let me put it another way.</p>
<p>You have asked for private correspondence between members of our community and EA. The answer is simple&#8230; No.</p>
<p>Now go choke on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Julianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Julianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dyer, why would we hand over information about anything which we have shared in a private forum to you? We know from experience you would twist the data and turn it inside out so that EA staff who responded would not recognize what they had said.

And frankly, I am not interested in your opinion about it.

Oh I know.. I&#039;ll save you the trouble of your witty and intellectual response... &quot;Lady J is an ass.&quot; There, I have done your job for you. Now you don&#039;t need the information.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dyer, why would we hand over information about anything which we have shared in a private forum to you? We know from experience you would twist the data and turn it inside out so that EA staff who responded would not recognize what they had said.</p>
<p>And frankly, I am not interested in your opinion about it.</p>
<p>Oh I know.. I&#8217;ll save you the trouble of your witty and intellectual response&#8230; &#8220;Lady J is an ass.&#8221; There, I have done your job for you. Now you don&#8217;t need the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyerbrook</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53246</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyerbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...interesting that Tskelli cannot come up with these communications, nor can others. Maybe because they don&#039;t exist, or don&#039;t say what you imply they say. The letter you already quoted in no way explicitly states that Maxis/EA has removed references to slaves and owning because of concern about offending African-Americans. You&#039;ve put that spin on it.

BTW, I realize I&#039;ve been terribly remiss, given my belief that slavery is abhorent and that consent is dubious when expressed by the BDSM crowd, in announcing that I am refusing to continue talking to a sub/slave, and yet continuing to debate a domme/owner, as if a domme owner is free, and her sub isn&#039;t free, and a free person in a free society can talk to an owner as if they are inhabiting some kind of free sphere still. How terrible of me! That was just due to pure thoughtessness on my part. That&#039;s going to end right now. Good-bye Maria. I do not condone slavery in any form.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;interesting that Tskelli cannot come up with these communications, nor can others. Maybe because they don&#8217;t exist, or don&#8217;t say what you imply they say. The letter you already quoted in no way explicitly states that Maxis/EA has removed references to slaves and owning because of concern about offending African-Americans. You&#8217;ve put that spin on it.</p>
<p>BTW, I realize I&#8217;ve been terribly remiss, given my belief that slavery is abhorent and that consent is dubious when expressed by the BDSM crowd, in announcing that I am refusing to continue talking to a sub/slave, and yet continuing to debate a domme/owner, as if a domme owner is free, and her sub isn&#8217;t free, and a free person in a free society can talk to an owner as if they are inhabiting some kind of free sphere still. How terrible of me! That was just due to pure thoughtessness on my part. That&#8217;s going to end right now. Good-bye Maria. I do not condone slavery in any form.</p>
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		<title>By: toy</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/02/be_anything_you.html/comment-page-1#comment-53245</link>
		<dc:creator>toy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awwwww how cute, dyer has a cheerleaderr now  :)   toy hates to burst your bubble donna but EA has backed down because they were wrong :)  the BDSM community thrives and grows :)



toy :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awwwww how cute, dyer has a cheerleaderr now  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    toy hates to burst your bubble donna but EA has backed down because they were wrong <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   the BDSM community thrives and grows <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>toy <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TSKELLI</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSKELLI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i cannot be trusted now?

~kettle looking over at black pot and smirking~

in any case the critical letter, Dyerbrook, is the one noted and quoted in the lead article above.  There are others as well, perhaps others would be willing to share them .. i will not share them because they were not communications with me.

kelli
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cannot be trusted now?</p>
<p>~kettle looking over at black pot and smirking~</p>
<p>in any case the critical letter, Dyerbrook, is the one noted and quoted in the lead article above.  There are others as well, perhaps others would be willing to share them .. i will not share them because they were not communications with me.</p>
<p>kelli</p>
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