It amuses me, even if it is lame. I haven’t slanderized anybody, or said anything untrue. Can you say the same of every story you’ve ever written? Now that’s lame.

And don’t assume I’m older than she is, please.

~Ashtray

While one can raise questions about her maturity level in real terms, she hasn’t done anything remotely as lame as your We Hate Ashley blog. And whatever her level of maturity, that is no reason to job her in the election.

And like it has also been brought up I think on the stratics message board… its not really you’re government if you don’t live in the neighborhood, and *TECHNICALLY* they have no real control over you. They can’t make you do anything. I lost a lot of respect for Ashley when she lost… not because she lost, that would be stupid, but because of the way she acted, contradicting the fact that she doesn’t really care that she was defeated. I do, however, think she had a lot of great ideas, and if she got her supporters to support her once again and make her own government, I’d be all for it and I’d wish it the best of luck. And if she’s not up to that sort of work… then would she really have been the right woman for the job if elected?

I guess what it comes down to is, don’t cry over spilled milk, wipe it the fuck up and pour yourself another glass.

~Ashtray

You don’t like that I cheated at cards? It’s just a game. Go start your own game or go play solitare.

You don’t like that we changed the rule in the middle of the sandlot game? well go find another sandlot and buy your own ball and play with someone else.

If you invite someone into a game under one set of rules and you change the rules on them, or you mislead them about the rules you are playing by, then you should expect them to be upset and they in turn have every right to be upset. Yeah, it’s a game, but game rules are norms that we expect people to follow. Indignation at rule breaking – even in a game context – is not just understandable, but quite justified.

Nobody says we can’t continue living in anarchist bliss, do they?

Get over it Ashley, you’re done. If you were really as mature as you always tell everybody you are, you’d grow up and plan for a swift victory next time. The crybaby’ing is wearing thin.

Whether it was foul play or not, is it really worth the trouble over a game? When I was voting I noticed every time he had one vote, you suddenly got another… OMG THIS MUST MEAN IT WAS RIGGED$#%@ I guess I secretly played a part in this little ’bout of cheating’. I apologize… thoroughly.

Maybe next time we’ll all learn from this ‘technical malfunction’ and have an impartial party host the site and election… seems the smart thing to me, and maybe that’s how it should have been in the first place, just to be fair. I would have called it… downright logical.

~Ashtray

I will ask Mr. President about that though, since it does seem to be the most worrisome sticking point.

And you are right that I am deducing partly from independent principles. But not from the principle that he is my friend and therefore good – I have lots of friends who aren’t good at all, lol. But from the general principles gleaned from a lifetime of sorting out the mostly honest folks from the dishonest ones. At some point, it does get down to that.

For all I know, it could well be that he at some point actually considered the possibilities afforded by these various ways of voting too many times and so forth, then rejected them. I think it is more likely, though, that he just listened to them. (It could also be that they aren’t really possible; I’m not sure.)

He is the kind who will talk very openly with people, while passing very little judgment. Thus we have all the sort of talk that will happen when talking with JC using that style. It doesn’t mean, though, that he himself would use any nefarious means to win the election. I would really have to have a lot more evidence than that one sentence to decide that.

While all this has held my interest for quite a bit, I really think it is time to give it a rest. I would like for the AVG to get on with some of their plans for more fun stuff for AV (as the all the fun in this election and its sequelae has pretty much been squeezed out now). There will be other elections, and doubtless those will be run in such a way that allegations of unfairness will be less possible. It would be good if we could get back to some of the fun now.

coco

P.S. It would be good, too, if you could fix this web site so when we make a post, it doesn’t always say “web site not responding”!

JC: How are the minute intervals of allowing duplicate IPs to vote?

Pres: We didn’t have to any of that [sic]

JC: I’ve been trying to get in on that,but havenet found em yet lol

Pres: You know though…

Pres: Some people say they can’t vote

That wasn’t a joke and it reflects what I understand about the failsafe mechanism — that Mr-P was allowed to log multiple votes if the election got close. So the issue wasn’t, as Ashley thinks, that votes were intentionally blocked. It was rather that there was a mechanism in place to allow Mr-P to log as many votes as necessary. Whether he took advantage of this is unclear to me.

Coco, I like Mr-P too, and even endorsed him (well, both him and Ashley), but it seems to me that you are trying to deduce what happened from independent principles (i.e. that he is your friend and therefore good) rather than the evidence in the chat logs.

I don’t think Mr. President has it in him to lie like that. If he wanted to lie, he would have said, in the first place, that the chat log was doctored, i.e., not legit. Instead he has gone to lengths to explain that it was NOT doctored, and chosen the much harder and honest path of trying to explain the convoluted way it came into being.

I think one of the differences between you and me, Uri, is you are more inclined to think that “good” people will do such things, and I am less inclined to think so. In fact, I think you are a little OVERLY inclined to think people will cheat and lie in the course of role play and still somehow be “good people”. After all, you thought I would surely be tempted to rig my games at the Game Show Channel, when that would be not only contradictory to the whole point of having the games, but also contrary to my own person.

Similary, rigging the elections would not only be contradictory to the whole point of having the AVG, but also contrary to Mr. President’s own person.

I have had enough personal experience with Mr. President to be willing to state with very little doubt that he is not only a nice person in the game (and out), but also an honest one in the game (and out). I think I am right about that, and you are wrong. Some people really are pretty much without guile.

In any case, I really think, from a practical point of view, the whole thing has kind of lost its interest as newsworthy.

coco