Comments on: Gaming Open Market dumps PayPal for YowCow http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: crankyuser http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50372 crankyuser Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:35:51 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50372 <trackback /><strong>Gaming Open Market down</strong> The Gaming Open Market is a stock market clearing house where players can trade currency in different MMOs. They recently lost $3k in a trade where a player claimed the delivery did not go through, so they're revisiting their policies.... Gaming Open Market down
The Gaming Open Market is a stock market clearing house where players can trade currency in different MMOs. They recently lost $3k in a trade where a player claimed the delivery did not go through, so they’re revisiting their policies….

]]> By: crankyuser http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50371 crankyuser Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:17:45 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50371 <trackback /><strong>Gaming Open Market down</strong> The Gaming Open Market is a stock market clearing house where players can trade currency in different MMOs. They recently lost $3k in a trade where a player claimed the delivery did not go through, so they're revisiting their policies.... Gaming Open Market down
The Gaming Open Market is a stock market clearing house where players can trade currency in different MMOs. They recently lost $3k in a trade where a player claimed the delivery did not go through, so they’re revisiting their policies….

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50370 Urizenus Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:33:10 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50370 thanks for posting that Aaron. Zeppi said he would sit down and talk to the Herald as soon as he got everything nailed down. or at least had a plan. thanks for posting that Aaron. Zeppi said he would sit down and talk to the Herald as soon as he got everything nailed down. or at least had a plan.

]]> By: Aaron http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50369 Aaron Fri, 02 Jul 2004 00:17:27 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50369 I wanted to post that quick... Zeppi Schlegel is the operator of GOM... this was at an event in Second Life just minutes ago where he announced that Linden Labs, Gaming Open Market, and Paypal are in negotiations to set up a secure, in-game trading system. Zeppi's hope is to prove it works in Second Life, and with PayPal on board, will add to the weight of other companies to see why they should not punish credit traders. I wanted to post that quick… Zeppi Schlegel is the operator of GOM… this was at an event in Second Life just minutes ago where he announced that Linden Labs, Gaming Open Market, and Paypal are in negotiations to set up a secure, in-game trading system. Zeppi’s hope is to prove it works in Second Life, and with PayPal on board, will add to the weight of other companies to see why they should not punish credit traders.

]]> By: Aaron http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50368 Aaron Fri, 02 Jul 2004 00:08:19 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50368 GOM to go back to PAYPAL: Mash Mandala: Gonna turn some time to Zeppi Zeppi Schlegel: Pardon me for a second... You: cheer for zeppi!!! rynox Zapata: /yay Zeppi Schlegel: Howdy all! Zeppi Schlegel: Happy Canada Day! :) Mash Mandala: :) Drift Monde: Same to ya Zeppi Pepplar Sklar: *Canada hangover* Zeppi Schlegel: You folks have been absolutely awesome! Anam Abattoir: thanks for the compliments Hehehehe Zeppi Schlegel: Thank you everyone for the donations and the kind words in the forums. Mash Mandala: Must mean we want you to stick around Anam Abattoir: oh good turn out Zeppi? You: DOWN WITH PAYPAL!! Anam Abattoir: Yes Anam Abattoir: good Zeppi Schlegel: As I said there, it's really nice to know that all the time that goes into GOM is appreciated. Anam Abattoir: How are you? Zeppi Schlegel: And a special thanks to Mash for setting all of this up. Zeppi Schlegel: /calp Rebeccah Baysklef: Just ducky. Don't mind me if I stare at that outfit. I love it :) Evon Lament: :) Zeppi Schlegel: :) Anam Abattoir: sure :-) Anam Abattoir: Yes Anam Abattoir: Would you like to be ABDUCTED? Anam Abattoir: Hehehehe Rebeccah Baysklef: laugh You: shhhhhh :) Zeppi Schlegel: With your support, and the combined support of Second Life and Linden Lab, we're continuing to service SL in a very safe way... Kit Curie: *nestles against David quietly* Zeppi Schlegel: We've been speaking at lengths with LL and have a neat deal worked out - details to be announced later... Rebeccah Baysklef: Thanks! Mash Mandala: YEAH David Valentino: great! You: cool prak Curie: Woo! Evon Lament: YAY! Zeppi Schlegel: But what this means is that we can cover our butts without PayPal's seller protection. Anam Abattoir: Good Zeppi Schlegel: For those of you with any doubts, Lindens are *very* cool folks. David Valentino: cool Drift Monde: keeping PayPal? Zeppi Schlegel: Yes, you're the first to hear it officially, but we are keeping PayPal. Mash Mandala: OMG Mash Mandala: to cool You: WHAAA Drift Monde: thats great Zeppi.. Draxon Twilight: wow, You: wow Rebeccah Baysklef: Thats pretty gutsy Timber Satyr: Wonderful! Zeppi Schlegel: We've had a *lot* of feedback from everyone, and don't ever let it be said that we don't listen. :) rynox Zapata: (secure transactions through LL me thinks) prak Curie: You will still have the option not to use paypal though? Zeppi Schlegel: GOM, Lindens and PayPal will be *attempting* to work together towards safer trading... Mash Mandala: GREAT NEWS Zeppi Schlegel: But until PayPal is onboard completely, Lindens are really helping out with the liability stuff. Zeppi Schlegel: Yes, we will still service YowCow and e-gold... Drift Monde: yay Lindens Zeppi Schlegel: And of course money orders... Anam Abattoir: / prak Curie: Excellent. Evon Lament: :) Zeppi Schlegel: I'll be adding the pages to actually support e-gold and YowCow next week I hope. Zeppi Schlegel: Oh, and those of you who buy and get sick of waiting for me to be online to pay you... Drift Monde: So you will be able to bring your other games back up soon then Zeppi? Zeppi Schlegel: Fully automated ATMs are on their way. :) prak Curie: Woo! Anam Abattoir: Yes Evon Lament: woot David Valentino: wow David Valentino: nice Anam Abattoir: good for when I do David Valentino: GOM to go back to PAYPAL:

Mash Mandala: Gonna turn some time to Zeppi
Zeppi Schlegel: Pardon me for a second…
You: cheer for zeppi!!!
rynox Zapata: /yay
Zeppi Schlegel: Howdy all!
Zeppi Schlegel: Happy Canada Day! :)
Mash Mandala: :)
Drift Monde: Same to ya Zeppi
Pepplar Sklar: *Canada hangover*
Zeppi Schlegel: You folks have been absolutely awesome!
Anam Abattoir: thanks for the compliments Hehehehe
Zeppi Schlegel: Thank you everyone for the donations and the kind words in the forums.
Mash Mandala: Must mean we want you to stick around
Anam Abattoir: oh good turn out Zeppi?
You: DOWN WITH PAYPAL!!
Anam Abattoir: Yes
Anam Abattoir: good
Zeppi Schlegel: As I said there, it’s really nice to know that all the time that goes into GOM is appreciated.
Anam Abattoir: How are you?
Zeppi Schlegel: And a special thanks to Mash for setting all of this up.
Zeppi Schlegel: /calp
Rebeccah Baysklef: Just ducky. Don’t mind me if I stare at that outfit. I love it :)
Evon Lament: :)
Zeppi Schlegel: :)
Anam Abattoir: sure :-)
Anam Abattoir: Yes
Anam Abattoir: Would you like to be ABDUCTED?
Anam Abattoir: Hehehehe
Rebeccah Baysklef: laugh
You: shhhhhh :)
Zeppi Schlegel: With your support, and the combined support of Second Life and Linden Lab, we’re continuing to service SL in a very safe way…
Kit Curie: *nestles against David quietly*
Zeppi Schlegel: We’ve been speaking at lengths with LL and have a neat deal worked out – details to be announced later…
Rebeccah Baysklef: Thanks!
Mash Mandala: YEAH
David Valentino: great!
You: cool
prak Curie: Woo!
Evon Lament: YAY!
Zeppi Schlegel: But what this means is that we can cover our butts without PayPal’s seller protection.
Anam Abattoir: Good
Zeppi Schlegel: For those of you with any doubts, Lindens are *very* cool folks.
David Valentino: cool
Drift Monde: keeping PayPal?
Zeppi Schlegel: Yes, you’re the first to hear it officially, but we are keeping PayPal.
Mash Mandala: OMG
Mash Mandala: to cool
You: WHAAA
Drift Monde: thats great Zeppi..
Draxon Twilight: wow,
You: wow
Rebeccah Baysklef: Thats pretty gutsy
Timber Satyr: Wonderful!
Zeppi Schlegel: We’ve had a *lot* of feedback from everyone, and don’t ever let it be said that we don’t listen. :)
rynox Zapata: (secure transactions through LL me thinks)
prak Curie: You will still have the option not to use paypal though?
Zeppi Schlegel: GOM, Lindens and PayPal will be *attempting* to work together towards safer trading…
Mash Mandala: GREAT NEWS
Zeppi Schlegel: But until PayPal is onboard completely, Lindens are really helping out with the liability stuff.
Zeppi Schlegel: Yes, we will still service YowCow and e-gold…
Drift Monde: yay Lindens
Zeppi Schlegel: And of course money orders…
Anam Abattoir: /
prak Curie: Excellent.
Evon Lament: :)
Zeppi Schlegel: I’ll be adding the pages to actually support e-gold and YowCow next week I hope.
Zeppi Schlegel: Oh, and those of you who buy and get sick of waiting for me to be online to pay you…
Drift Monde: So you will be able to bring your other games back up soon then Zeppi?
Zeppi Schlegel: Fully automated ATMs are on their way. :)
prak Curie: Woo!
Anam Abattoir: Yes
Evon Lament: woot
David Valentino: wow
David Valentino: nice
Anam Abattoir: good for when I do
David Valentino:

]]> By: Ian http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50367 Ian Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:53:15 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50367 Uh, that's kinda what I said too, haha. Uh, that’s kinda what I said too, haha.

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50366 Urizenus Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:50:05 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50366 rereading the thread on Terra Nova, I was impressed by what Cory Linden had to say on the matter. I wish these Linden guys weren't so sane, cuz then I could stop shilling for them and do my job and start bitching about them. "The digital world operators do know whether the delivery happened and a standard could easily be established to allow delivery reporting. Or, a digital world could decide to act like an issuing bank and say, for example, that the maximum liability in digital currency is L$50. In other words, if a chargeback happens, it is treated as fraud, the person who sold their digital currency gets most of their currency refunded and the user who made the chargeback is suspended or banned from the world. Obviously, this would require cooperation between the digital world operators and the trading sites, which comes back to one of my core disagreement with Bartle et al. Since world creators can't stop commodification -- yes, they *may* be able to reduce it, but there is no evidence that they can stop it -- there is tremendous harm by pretending to block it and forcing it into black and gray markets. Black markets neither protect customers nor allow legitimate cooperation between digital worlds and 3rd party traders. It's time to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and realize that commodification is a basic feature of digital worlds. Only then will fair and rational approaches be taken to address the problems that it raises." rereading the thread on Terra Nova, I was impressed by what Cory Linden had to say on the matter. I wish these Linden guys weren’t so sane, cuz then I could stop shilling for them and do my job and start bitching about them.

“The digital world operators do know whether the delivery happened and a standard could easily be established to allow delivery reporting. Or, a digital world could decide to act like an issuing bank and say, for example, that the maximum liability in digital currency is L$50. In other words, if a chargeback happens, it is treated as fraud, the person who sold their digital currency gets most of their currency refunded and the user who made the chargeback is suspended or banned from the world.

Obviously, this would require cooperation between the digital world operators and the trading sites, which comes back to one of my core disagreement with Bartle et al. Since world creators can’t stop commodification — yes, they *may* be able to reduce it, but there is no evidence that they can stop it — there is tremendous harm by pretending to block it and forcing it into black and gray markets. Black markets neither protect customers nor allow legitimate cooperation between digital worlds and 3rd party traders.

It’s time to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and realize that commodification is a basic feature of digital worlds. Only then will fair and rational approaches be taken to address the problems that it raises.”

]]> By: RB http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50365 RB Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:06:49 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50365 I have already signed up for YowCow. Just need some more info on a few things then will see how it goes. Looks good. - RB I have already signed up for YowCow. Just need some more info on a few things then will see how it goes. Looks good.

- RB

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50364 Urizenus Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:02:06 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50364 I guess I might have tried trade limits first before I shut down. say $100/day, or something. YowCow looks interesting though. Hope it catches on. I guess I might have tried trade limits first before I shut down. say $100/day, or something. YowCow looks interesting though. Hope it catches on.

]]> By: RB http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/06/gaming_open_mar_2.html/comment-page-1#comment-50363 RB Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:47:03 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2793#comment-50363 The fraud did have *some* impact on GOM. I find it hard to believe this large about face came all about over time :) Like Mr Hale said, it slapped him in the face basically, and made him think about how he does things. Particulary with the scam risk PayPal encourages by having ZERO protection for virtual traders. - RB The fraud did have *some* impact on GOM. I find it hard to believe this large about face came all about over time :)

Like Mr Hale said, it slapped him in the face basically, and made him think about how he does things. Particulary with the scam risk PayPal encourages by having ZERO protection for virtual traders.

- RB

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