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	<title>Comments on: Kremlinden Lab vs. Academic Freedom: interview with Durkheim Edelbrock</title>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/01/kremlinden_lab_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-47677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that they did away with this policy some time ago, possibly in the first quarter of 07.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that they did away with this policy some time ago, possibly in the first quarter of 07.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I find a copy of LL&#039;s policy on doing academic research in SL?  Given that they want us to follow this policy, it is frustrating that it is not easy to find on their website anywhere.  In the knowledge base all I can find is a single entry saying that it is o.k. to give surveys to other residents.  No additional policy is mentioned.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I find a copy of LL&#8217;s policy on doing academic research in SL?  Given that they want us to follow this policy, it is frustrating that it is not easy to find on their website anywhere.  In the knowledge base all I can find is a single entry saying that it is o.k. to give surveys to other residents.  No additional policy is mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/01/kremlinden_lab_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-47675</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I haven&#039;t seen the document given to this researcher, I don&#039;t know whether it is an attempt at censure or simply a suggested guideline to follow.  But the claim that Philip has and exercises the authority to allow or deny a research project does carry heavy overtones of censorship.  To be honest, this comes as a bit of a surprise to me, because one thing I&#039;ve always given Philip (and LL in general) credit for is his thick skin and policy of allowing people to say just about anything they feel like saying in regard to LL and SL.  It&#039;s one of their good points.  I have used that freedom even to the degree of exposing some things LL might rather have not been exposed-- but never once have I been censored for such.  Argued with and lied to-- but never censored. :)  I&#039;d have to think that those who have been banned for posts either caught LL on a bad day-- or the poster had no clue as to where to draw the line.

Linden Lab claims to encourage total freedom of expression.  To have something that is blatantly contrary to such concept, namely, attempted restriction of research and publication, would be, well, very interesting to say the least.

Freedom of Speech is one of the greatest principles on which the Constitution of the United States is built.  Any attempt whatsoever at restriction of valid research is a direct attack upon that principle.  It strikes me as somewhat akin to saying, &quot;We&#039;re open and tolerant and encourage you to express yourself-- its YOUR world!&quot; but then applying the handcuffs to someone who might uncover and expose an unsavory side to the system.

I don&#039;t comment at all as to whether SL is a good/bad board, moral or otherwise.  The subject of the research isn&#039;t even the question here.  What&#039;s at question is any attempt by the Linden Lab corporation to stifle such research in any form whatsoever.  The ethical considerations in just the concept are considerable.

Mind you, their desire to protect their board and their customers is understandable (what exactly would they be protecting their customers from?).  But since they have a tendency to protect their customers from very little otherwise (and in fact the SL TOS officially absolves them of being responsible for such protection), the question of dual standard comes immediately to mind.

So I&#039;d have to say the jury isn&#039;t in on this one.  But if there is even a bit of truth to these charges, policy changes would seem recommendable.  One cannot have double standards regarding freedom of speech.  Either LL approaches SL as a totally free and unfettered environment, or they apply their rules of ethics and morality board-wide (as is their right should they so choose)-- and apply it to everyone, equally.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I haven&#8217;t seen the document given to this researcher, I don&#8217;t know whether it is an attempt at censure or simply a suggested guideline to follow.  But the claim that Philip has and exercises the authority to allow or deny a research project does carry heavy overtones of censorship.  To be honest, this comes as a bit of a surprise to me, because one thing I&#8217;ve always given Philip (and LL in general) credit for is his thick skin and policy of allowing people to say just about anything they feel like saying in regard to LL and SL.  It&#8217;s one of their good points.  I have used that freedom even to the degree of exposing some things LL might rather have not been exposed&#8211; but never once have I been censored for such.  Argued with and lied to&#8211; but never censored. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;d have to think that those who have been banned for posts either caught LL on a bad day&#8211; or the poster had no clue as to where to draw the line.</p>
<p>Linden Lab claims to encourage total freedom of expression.  To have something that is blatantly contrary to such concept, namely, attempted restriction of research and publication, would be, well, very interesting to say the least.</p>
<p>Freedom of Speech is one of the greatest principles on which the Constitution of the United States is built.  Any attempt whatsoever at restriction of valid research is a direct attack upon that principle.  It strikes me as somewhat akin to saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re open and tolerant and encourage you to express yourself&#8211; its YOUR world!&#8221; but then applying the handcuffs to someone who might uncover and expose an unsavory side to the system.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t comment at all as to whether SL is a good/bad board, moral or otherwise.  The subject of the research isn&#8217;t even the question here.  What&#8217;s at question is any attempt by the Linden Lab corporation to stifle such research in any form whatsoever.  The ethical considerations in just the concept are considerable.</p>
<p>Mind you, their desire to protect their board and their customers is understandable (what exactly would they be protecting their customers from?).  But since they have a tendency to protect their customers from very little otherwise (and in fact the SL TOS officially absolves them of being responsible for such protection), the question of dual standard comes immediately to mind.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d have to say the jury isn&#8217;t in on this one.  But if there is even a bit of truth to these charges, policy changes would seem recommendable.  One cannot have double standards regarding freedom of speech.  Either LL approaches SL as a totally free and unfettered environment, or they apply their rules of ethics and morality board-wide (as is their right should they so choose)&#8211; and apply it to everyone, equally.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Claxton</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/01/kremlinden_lab_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-47674</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Claxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a huge social experiment. Personally SL is a research project for me too, i don&#039;t have any institutions supporting me, but every day i go out and see what in the world inspires me. Maybe it&#039;s the scripting or maybe it&#039;s the subversive groups moving into SL.

I can see why they&#039;d want to know and approve people making a study of SL a part of their career. They can&#039;t stop you from disclosing what you find good or bad if you do it in a system they don&#039;t own.

Is it a surprise that sex is the big business on SL I was surprised that there isn&#039;t any teledildonics integration yet. The sex industry in SL is not too different from RL maybe the bitches choose to be bitches in SL, but all the bad things are here. There are clubs that make dancers spend money to host contests that the club should pay for, surely there are underage people in the grid wether forced or because they&#039;re horny kids, there&#039;s all the bad things from RL because people don&#039;t drop all that baggage when they come to SL.

The BIG difference in SL is there&#039;s no pimp to beat you up for not going to work your corner. The ineffectiveness of physical violence should make things like robbery and rape practically impossible in SL, violence and abuse are why the sex trade is bad IRL, not because someone finds it to be immoral or whatever.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a huge social experiment. Personally SL is a research project for me too, i don&#8217;t have any institutions supporting me, but every day i go out and see what in the world inspires me. Maybe it&#8217;s the scripting or maybe it&#8217;s the subversive groups moving into SL.</p>
<p>I can see why they&#8217;d want to know and approve people making a study of SL a part of their career. They can&#8217;t stop you from disclosing what you find good or bad if you do it in a system they don&#8217;t own.</p>
<p>Is it a surprise that sex is the big business on SL I was surprised that there isn&#8217;t any teledildonics integration yet. The sex industry in SL is not too different from RL maybe the bitches choose to be bitches in SL, but all the bad things are here. There are clubs that make dancers spend money to host contests that the club should pay for, surely there are underage people in the grid wether forced or because they&#8217;re horny kids, there&#8217;s all the bad things from RL because people don&#8217;t drop all that baggage when they come to SL.</p>
<p>The BIG difference in SL is there&#8217;s no pimp to beat you up for not going to work your corner. The ineffectiveness of physical violence should make things like robbery and rape practically impossible in SL, violence and abuse are why the sex trade is bad IRL, not because someone finds it to be immoral or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Soprano</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Soprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the fuck does that have to do with this post.  Quit being a board whore and move on.  As for Pedro, lolol  Anyway...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the fuck does that have to do with this post.  Quit being a board whore and move on.  As for Pedro, lolol  Anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather John Gotti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather John Gotti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lmao jc soprano that 3 million i owe ya, still livin in the past, tso gay and i&#039;m glad i left it, also u said i didn&#039;t have to pay it back. remmeber that. i&#039;m glad this is the only place i could talk to you braah. Pedro montanas a better boss than u ever were yo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmao jc soprano that 3 million i owe ya, still livin in the past, tso gay and i&#8217;m glad i left it, also u said i didn&#8217;t have to pay it back. remmeber that. i&#8217;m glad this is the only place i could talk to you braah. Pedro montanas a better boss than u ever were yo</p>
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		<title>By: An Enthusiastic Herald Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Enthusiastic Herald Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm....seems folks are living their second lives in interesting times! Phillip Linden has a point: SL is not a game, it&#039;s a digitised world. Every world needs an economy and rules to govern it. But the rules shouldn&#039;t be draconic, or nobody would want a second life in the first place. But this research seems to bring up a number of issues and I applaud the Herald for letting us see and face them. And the idea of a &#039;universal&#039; government is a good one, because since we live in a real world filled with various cultures we can&#039;t pin down all members of SL into an Americanised world. Freedom of expression, but expressing it in a way that doesn&#039;t destroy the fun for others. I&#039;m eager to see how Second Life will evolve to cope with this.

(and yeah, virtual courts would be pretty smart! Lawyers earn tons of cash in RL so it seems a good legitimate way to earn a decent L$ or two....)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;.seems folks are living their second lives in interesting times! Phillip Linden has a point: SL is not a game, it&#8217;s a digitised world. Every world needs an economy and rules to govern it. But the rules shouldn&#8217;t be draconic, or nobody would want a second life in the first place. But this research seems to bring up a number of issues and I applaud the Herald for letting us see and face them. And the idea of a &#8216;universal&#8217; government is a good one, because since we live in a real world filled with various cultures we can&#8217;t pin down all members of SL into an Americanised world. Freedom of expression, but expressing it in a way that doesn&#8217;t destroy the fun for others. I&#8217;m eager to see how Second Life will evolve to cope with this.</p>
<p>(and yeah, virtual courts would be pretty smart! Lawyers earn tons of cash in RL so it seems a good legitimate way to earn a decent L$ or two&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
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		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree, we wouldn&#039;t want to model a virtual government on an American-style government.  It would be much better to have a virtual government that respects freedom and justice.
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		<title>By: Tony Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure international residents would be very supportive of an American-style government, but that&#039;s probably a whole other discussion.
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		<title>By: Miravoir</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/01/kremlinden_lab_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-47668</link>
		<dc:creator>Miravoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If what Uri suggested came to pass in SL, a truly democratic gaming system, it would be yet another milestone that Second Life crossed. I would love to see Second Life with courts and jury by peers, etc. We model our economy on the United States; why not the government? That would be very interesting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what Uri suggested came to pass in SL, a truly democratic gaming system, it would be yet another milestone that Second Life crossed. I would love to see Second Life with courts and jury by peers, etc. We model our economy on the United States; why not the government? That would be very interesting.</p>
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