Comments on: Defending the Beachheads of Second Life–or Just Griefing the Griefers?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:50:31 +0000

an srry i gonna play i time no sl greatings
michiel edman

By: Tony Walsh

Tony Walsh — Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:38:55 +0000

thanks for the tip, tp barmy — i’ll have a look.

By: Jim Herbst

Jim Herbst — Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:35:14 +0000

Hopefully you may be seeing more articles about the AN from Clarence in the future. And ill be glad to answer some of the questions in the other comments:

3: no this is no joke, we take our work very seriously (and recieved many complaints from people who think we shouldnt)

4: when we arent fighting greifers we are preparing to do so, making more ships, recruiting, improving the scripts in our stuff, and also looking for events we could participate in (not as a security force but as people in SL)

5: on many cases lindens have taken our side in a situation, and we have received some good words from the lindens, and our job sounds easier than it is.

By: TrannyPet Barmy

TrannyPet Barmy — Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:04:48 +0000

Tony, you may like to check out my site http://www.secondcentral.com

I am starting on a project called SL-ALT, which will follow exactly the model you describe.

tp barmy

By: Tony Walsh

Tony Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:51:52 +0000

Uri, I was sort of stating that from LL’s perspective, but I do consider them the overlords of Second Life by virtue of the fact that it’s their toy and they can take it away if they want. I don’t think this is an ideal model for a virtual world, though.

I would be much happier if LL started acting like a real ISP, and took a completely hands-off approach to such things as disputes between customers. Currently they aren’t equipped to handle policing responsibilities, and would be better off rolling out SL version 2. Leaving SL completely to the devices of the users would provide an accelerated testing ground for what works and what doesn’t in terms of resolving user conflicts.

I’d really like to see something like Second Life distributed among user-owned servers (like web pages hosted are today). That way everyone gets to make and enforce their own rules, and if we don’t like them we really do have somewhere else to go.

By: Urizenus

Urizenus — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:07:41 +0000

Why is it the Linden’s job to carry out justice? I didn’t vote for them. By other standards the Lindens are griefers with badges (and the power to permaban avis). They have the power but I don’t see that they have the de jure authority to police this world, and a good case can be made that we would be better off if they withdrew completely and let emergent methods of griefer control emerge.

By: Tony Walsh

Tony Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:39:15 +0000

Horatio, by Linden Lab’s standards, these guys appear to be griefers. Carrying out “justice” is LL’s job, not the job of vigilantes. They complain LL isn’t doing their job, but in fact, vigilantes make it harder for LL to do their job. Imagine if there were several more groups whipping out push-guns on people they judged to be griefers. The abuse-reports would skyrocket, wouldn’t they?

These guys strike me as simply enjoying playing the role of police. Why else would you dress up in a uniform and fly around in a giant spaceship?

By: Horatio Tyne

Horatio Tyne — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:11:28 +0000

I both like the idea of the Alliance, but at the same time it worries me as well. At the moment its just helping out against Griefers, but what after that? How are we to be sure that they don’t actually turn into Griefers themselves if they start deciding that other activities are no longer acceptable to them?

By: TrannyPet Barmy

TrannyPet Barmy — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:29:46 +0000

*smirks* is this some kind of joke ?

tpbarmy

By: Tony Walsh

Tony Walsh — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:31:47 +0000

Good story on an interesting case of vigilantism and roleplaying, Clarence. Congrats on what appears to be your first Herald article.