Comments on: Big Brother Linden is Watching You! http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: TrannyPet Barmy http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45296 TrannyPet Barmy Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:05:32 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45296 Take it from me, i know first hand that conversations are monitored !!!!! Alot of conversations that were had between myself and some trusted associates were all quoted back to me by one of the lindens i spoke to on the phone shortly after being banned, still not enough in my mind to warrant the ban that occurred, but, all the same, they had it all. As for Prokofy's comments re lindens organisation. They are organised, they caught me coming back into the game on some one else's account(loaned legally) with a completely new mac address, they caught me and banned that account with in 24 hours. As far as marketing information matters go, and selling of information, i hardly see how any one has much to gain by analysing reams of generally badly written english. Even if english of this level could be anaysled to any informational level, what good would it be to any marketing company when on the most part it's just complete lies and bs between players acting as what they wish they could be in reality. End of the day, whats the problem ? If you're not doing anything wrong then surely you have nothing to hide either from SL or from law enforcement agencies. trannypet barmy Take it from me, i know first hand that conversations are monitored !!!!! Alot of conversations that were had between myself and some trusted associates were all quoted back to me by one of the lindens i spoke to on the phone shortly after being banned, still not enough in my mind to warrant the ban that occurred, but, all the same, they had it all.

As for Prokofy’s comments re lindens organisation. They are organised, they caught me coming back into the game on some one else’s account(loaned legally) with a completely new mac address, they caught me and banned that account with in 24 hours.

As far as marketing information matters go, and selling of information, i hardly see how any one has much to gain by analysing reams of generally badly written english. Even if english of this level could be anaysled to any informational level, what good would it be to any marketing company when on the most part it’s just complete lies and bs between players acting as what they wish they could be in reality.

End of the day, whats the problem ? If you’re not doing anything wrong then surely you have nothing to hide either from SL or from law enforcement agencies.

trannypet barmy

]]> By: simone http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45295 simone Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:23:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45295 In the early part of August, I got an e-mail from LL stating that two of my accounts had been temporarily suspended for what appears to have been about a half hour. The original e-mail stating this would happen was addresses to 'quin marlin', and the second two e-mails letting me know that they had been reinstated were addressed to the avatars proper names. My roomie and I have three accounts. All are on the same credit card. Only the two I use were suspended. When I asked a Linden about it, I was told it was a mix-up, and that it had been cleared up. No explanation was given as to why my two accounts were singled out (one of which I had not loggged in for several weeks) instead of all three on the same credit card, nor why it happened in the first place. Call me overly curious, but I would like to know why, what they thought they were looking for. Simone In the early part of August, I got an e-mail from LL stating that two of my accounts had been temporarily suspended for what appears to have been about a half hour. The original e-mail stating this would happen was addresses to ‘quin marlin’, and the second two e-mails letting me know that they had been reinstated were addressed to the avatars proper names.

My roomie and I have three accounts. All are on the same credit card. Only the two I use were suspended.

When I asked a Linden about it, I was told it was a mix-up, and that it had been cleared up. No explanation was given as to why my two accounts were singled out (one of which I had not loggged in for several weeks) instead of all three on the same credit card, nor why it happened in the first place.

Call me overly curious, but I would like to know why, what they thought they were looking for.

Simone

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45294 Urizenus Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:00:13 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45294 it is odd that most people in SL behave like they have never been more free, but it point of fact their every word and every action (even the direction of their gaze) is available to the Lindens if they want to use it (or sell it to marketing companies). Or for that matter, if law enforcement agencies like the Department of Homeland Insecurity ask for it. Big Brother never had it this good. it is odd that most people in SL behave like they have never been more free, but it point of fact their every word and every action (even the direction of their gaze) is available to the Lindens if they want to use it (or sell it to marketing companies). Or for that matter, if law enforcement agencies like the Department of Homeland Insecurity ask for it. Big Brother never had it this good.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45293 Prokofy Neva Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:59:21 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45293 No matter how much they track, they cannot always recreate context, and they cannot read people's minds and understand their motivations. That eludes them. They can get the "facts" of this or that case, but there is a reason that tape recordings are not admissable in RL courts often -- they can be misinterpreted easily without the context. I raised this issue of their surveillance of us a few weeks ago on Clickable Culture re: economic info and Tony's response was basically that he didn't think the Lindens were organized to make use of all this stuff. If they don't keep a copy of SL itself, i.e. a copy of the world the way anyone running a server would keep back up tapes, do they really keep 8 months of chat logs? Among the many issues involved is the recording and keeping of economic information. The Lindens know exactly what is sold at each telehub, by whom, to whom, and when. We can partly get a window into this through "last 10 things sold in world". They can tell who is lying about their income, who is getting bolstered by the Zeppi Schlegel dispensor from GOM, who really makes money, who says they make money and doesn't, really, etc. They have all that. *And knowing that, they can throw the game, and no doubt do, because they are social engineers at heart.* It really is like living in a sci-fi novel for real. No matter how much they track, they cannot always recreate context, and they cannot read people’s minds and understand their motivations. That eludes them. They can get the “facts” of this or that case, but there is a reason that tape recordings are not admissable in RL courts often — they can be misinterpreted easily without the context.

I raised this issue of their surveillance of us a few weeks ago on Clickable Culture re: economic info and Tony’s response was basically that he didn’t think the Lindens were organized to make use of all this stuff. If they don’t keep a copy of SL itself, i.e. a copy of the world the way anyone running a server would keep back up tapes, do they really keep 8 months of chat logs?

Among the many issues involved is the recording and keeping of economic information. The Lindens know exactly what is sold at each telehub, by whom, to whom, and when. We can partly get a window into this through “last 10 things sold in world”. They can tell who is lying about their income, who is getting bolstered by the Zeppi Schlegel dispensor from GOM, who really makes money, who says they make money and doesn’t, really, etc. They have all that. *And knowing that, they can throw the game, and no doubt do, because they are social engineers at heart.*

It really is like living in a sci-fi novel for real.

]]> By: Fact Faerie http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45292 Fact Faerie Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:20:54 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45292 Guess you can say this is "part" of this article, since there was a link on it, tho it is a reponse to another article that was closed. So some think SL is just a fantasy world and some think it is not...real or not, there are "real" people playing it. I know some of you mentioned how the "age" makes a difference, well it dont on this. Porn is porn and child porn no matter how, where, when or why is still illegal...a few even said cause SL is a "fantasy" world that it is ok...well it isnt, it is still illegal and you can still serve federal criminal crime for it. I can say this for I can also back it up with facts and the Law. "Child pornography has been defined under federal statute as a visual depiction of a minor (child younger than 18) engaged in sexually explicit conduct " You can find more of it here... http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1504 "Under federal law, child pornography1 is defined as a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, photograph, film, video, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct" Please read before and get informed. Before you commit a crime that could have you serving time for playing in a "fantasy" world. Also I would appreciate if you could post this so others can read and see, so they can be informed the right way also instead of going by opinions and fads. And also Im one of those people that WILL report...So I may not know the AVI that the article is about, but if they and SL dont clean and delete the stuff, then I will report that person and let the federal governments decide if they should take action or not. I even got my friends to report online child porn. Good day Fact Faerie Guess you can say this is “part” of this article, since there was a link on it, tho it is a reponse to another article that was closed.
So some think SL is just a fantasy world and some think it is not…real or not, there are “real” people playing it. I know some of you mentioned how the “age” makes a difference, well it dont on this. Porn is porn and child porn no matter how, where, when or why is still illegal…a few even said cause SL is a “fantasy” world that it is ok…well it isnt, it is still illegal and you can still serve federal criminal crime for it. I can say this for I can also back it up with facts and the Law.
“Child pornography has been defined under federal statute as a visual depiction of a minor (child younger than 18) engaged in sexually explicit conduct ”

You can find more of it here…

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1504

“Under federal law, child pornography1 is defined as a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, photograph, film, video, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct”

Please read before and get informed. Before you commit a crime that could have you serving time for playing in a “fantasy” world.

Also I would appreciate if you could post this so others can read and see, so they can be informed the right way also instead of going by opinions and fads.

And also Im one of those people that WILL report…So I may not know the AVI that the article is about, but if they and SL dont clean and delete the stuff, then I will report that person and let the federal governments decide if they should take action or not.
I even got my friends to report online child porn.

Good day
Fact Faerie

]]> By: No one of consequence http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/08/big_brother_lin.html/comment-page-1#comment-45291 No one of consequence Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:35:40 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=2252#comment-45291 Ultimately anything you do on the 'net may be recorded at some point, but it's not often that anyone cares enough to look at what you're doing. This is especially true with larger services such as email or IMs - there simply isn't enough time nor motivation for an admin to play peeping tom with your data. Automatic data collection for marketting / data mining purposes yes, but monitoring your juicy gossip? Nah, especially when that could easily get a professional admin sacked. On the other side of the coin, smaller private servers (in my experience) require massive amounts of trust in the operator. Combine the fanaticism it takes to run a private game/chat server out of pocket with a personal connection to the players on the server itself, and the motivation to spy on its users is very hard to resist. I wouldn't trust some admins I've known farther than I could throw them (not far, considering how fat they were), and some have even dragged out 'incriminating' logs when forum arguments weren't going their way. Logs on small servers are almost always bad news. Honestly, you're going to find the same results anywhere you go on the 'net, regardless of what the service is. The real question you should ask yourself is: How much do you trust the server admins, and how much interest would they take in your actions on the server? Is this service large enough where the admins will give a damn about all that hot furry sex you've been having? Ultimately anything you do on the ‘net may be recorded at some point, but it’s not often that anyone cares enough to look at what you’re doing. This is especially true with larger services such as email or IMs – there simply isn’t enough time nor motivation for an admin to play peeping tom with your data. Automatic data collection for marketting / data mining purposes yes, but monitoring your juicy gossip? Nah, especially when that could easily get a professional admin sacked.

On the other side of the coin, smaller private servers (in my experience) require massive amounts of trust in the operator. Combine the fanaticism it takes to run a private game/chat server out of pocket with a personal connection to the players on the server itself, and the motivation to spy on its users is very hard to resist. I wouldn’t trust some admins I’ve known farther than I could throw them (not far, considering how fat they were), and some have even dragged out ‘incriminating’ logs when forum arguments weren’t going their way. Logs on small servers are almost always bad news.

Honestly, you’re going to find the same results anywhere you go on the ‘net, regardless of what the service is. The real question you should ask yourself is: How much do you trust the server admins, and how much interest would they take in your actions on the server? Is this service large enough where the admins will give a damn about all that hot furry sex you’ve been having?

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