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	<title>Comments on: Cores and Watches and Committees, Oh My!</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Public</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-2#comment-45072</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Public</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; but reading hugely long transcripts is a huge time-suck.&quot;

Hah! Another priceless prokofyism!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; but reading hugely long transcripts is a huge time-suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hah! Another priceless prokofyism!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Fairplay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Fairplay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just figured out who all the F.I.C. are . . . . mwauhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaaaaahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah...yes and more laughs.....if anyone wants to know and wanna got something to exchange for something I would find equally as useful contact me!!! email me at: onesong@gmail.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just figured out who all the F.I.C. are . . . . mwauhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaaaaahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah&#8230;yes and more laughs&#8230;..if anyone wants to know and wanna got something to exchange for something I would find equally as useful contact me!!! email me at: <a href="mailto:onesong@gmail.com">onesong@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-2#comment-45070</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, which secret meetings are these, Jauani? I have regular 6:00 p.m. meetings on Friday nights to chat about the economy. They&#039;re announced on the events board as anyone can see and open to all. I don&#039;t think more than 10 or 12 people ever come, but it&#039;s interesting. I also have meetings on Tuesdays in Derwant with my &quot;Doers&quot; group which was founded ages ago, long before this current spate of watchers and committees and groups, as an antidote to Thinkers. None of it is secret, it&#039;s all on the events calendar, and the transcripts are sometimes posted if someone thinks of it but reading hugely long transcripts is a huge time-suck. Well, post away, I don&#039;t say anything anywhere that I&#039;d be ashamed of -- I doubt you could say the same thing. Give it up, Jauani.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, which secret meetings are these, Jauani? I have regular 6:00 p.m. meetings on Friday nights to chat about the economy. They&#8217;re announced on the events board as anyone can see and open to all. I don&#8217;t think more than 10 or 12 people ever come, but it&#8217;s interesting. I also have meetings on Tuesdays in Derwant with my &#8220;Doers&#8221; group which was founded ages ago, long before this current spate of watchers and committees and groups, as an antidote to Thinkers. None of it is secret, it&#8217;s all on the events calendar, and the transcripts are sometimes posted if someone thinks of it but reading hugely long transcripts is a huge time-suck. Well, post away, I don&#8217;t say anything anywhere that I&#8217;d be ashamed of &#8212; I doubt you could say the same thing. Give it up, Jauani.</p>
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		<title>By: jauani</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-2#comment-45069</link>
		<dc:creator>jauani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prok, your secret meetings are not so secret, it seems.  many people have heard of them.  i guess i will have to ask my sources to save some chat logs from your meetings and i&#039;ll post them here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prok, your secret meetings are not so secret, it seems.  many people have heard of them.  i guess i will have to ask my sources to save some chat logs from your meetings and i&#8217;ll post them here.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-1#comment-45068</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there has always been a FIC and I merely identified it. Your FIC status comes from adopting all the techniques used by the FIC like bullying, lying, defrauding, etc. in a jockeying for power, and your willing to curry favour with some of the worst of the forum FIC for your unspecified selfish ends.

I didn&#039;t try to &quot;push you out of the group,&quot; I merely exposed your bad behaviour. You&#039;ve consistently lied and misrepresented what happened in the initial round of the group, and bullied and hectoried and taunted Cocoanut. She&#039;s utterly sincere, by contrast with your conniving insincerity, and she began as officer in the group, duh, and left in protest against your shenanigans, then I promoted her back because she shouldn&#039;t be bulled out in that way.

You&#039;re the griefer, Jauani, along with your FIC friends, as the record shows.

And one of the reason your reputation has so deteriorated in people&#039;s eyes is that you&#039;re willing to write some crap about me supposedly &quot;starting secret meetings with my new group&quot;. Huh? What new group? What secret meetings? Where do you get off putting out outright lies like that, Jauani? I challenge you to come up with any evidence of this false charge.

I&#039;m willing to wait for you to tire of this latest plaything and move on to your next sandbox. Why not get a job or build a house or something.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there has always been a FIC and I merely identified it. Your FIC status comes from adopting all the techniques used by the FIC like bullying, lying, defrauding, etc. in a jockeying for power, and your willing to curry favour with some of the worst of the forum FIC for your unspecified selfish ends.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t try to &#8220;push you out of the group,&#8221; I merely exposed your bad behaviour. You&#8217;ve consistently lied and misrepresented what happened in the initial round of the group, and bullied and hectoried and taunted Cocoanut. She&#8217;s utterly sincere, by contrast with your conniving insincerity, and she began as officer in the group, duh, and left in protest against your shenanigans, then I promoted her back because she shouldn&#8217;t be bulled out in that way.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the griefer, Jauani, along with your FIC friends, as the record shows.</p>
<p>And one of the reason your reputation has so deteriorated in people&#8217;s eyes is that you&#8217;re willing to write some crap about me supposedly &#8220;starting secret meetings with my new group&#8221;. Huh? What new group? What secret meetings? Where do you get off putting out outright lies like that, Jauani? I challenge you to come up with any evidence of this false charge.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to wait for you to tire of this latest plaything and move on to your next sandbox. Why not get a job or build a house or something.</p>
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		<title>By: jauani</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-1#comment-45067</link>
		<dc:creator>jauani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so FIC status comes from disagreeing with or slamming prok.  does that mean that there was no FIC when prok first started her campaign against it? Is prok the initial seed of the FIC? did proks hatred create the FIC? This is like a strange star trek paradox episode.

prok i can assure you i have no jealousy or grudge with you.  had you not tried to co-opt a group i was in with your evil machinations, i would have continued to ignore and avoid you.  you have sparked this animosity by first trying to push me out of the group as you did to anshe, then attacking my character on your blog, corrupting the groups goals to fit your personal ambitions, and then raising an insincere player like cocao to officer status to grief the group.

it has come out inworld that you have already started your secret meetings with your new group.  why don&#039;t you just focus your energies there and leave the rest of us alone? thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so FIC status comes from disagreeing with or slamming prok.  does that mean that there was no FIC when prok first started her campaign against it? Is prok the initial seed of the FIC? did proks hatred create the FIC? This is like a strange star trek paradox episode.</p>
<p>prok i can assure you i have no jealousy or grudge with you.  had you not tried to co-opt a group i was in with your evil machinations, i would have continued to ignore and avoid you.  you have sparked this animosity by first trying to push me out of the group as you did to anshe, then attacking my character on your blog, corrupting the groups goals to fit your personal ambitions, and then raising an insincere player like cocao to officer status to grief the group.</p>
<p>it has come out inworld that you have already started your secret meetings with your new group.  why don&#8217;t you just focus your energies there and leave the rest of us alone? thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-1#comment-45066</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jauani, my point is that people are illegimitate using RL credentials in a realm where a) privacy is guaranteed and supposed to be heeded,  b) many people don&#039;t wish to bandy about their RL credentials and c) we have no way of really checking what any shadowy Internet avatar person says about any RL credentials.

So someone who brandishes RL credentials to get people in SL to pay attention is overstepping the bounds of the world for many. Further, people can&#039;t trust that it is true without a lot more violation of that person&#039;s privacy. I find the whole effort to brandish RL credentials to be a false one in bad faith at the get-go. The whole point of Second Life is to be a second life. There&#039;s a funny combination of people with no RL credentials obtaining SL credentials and visa versa, or both. It&#039;s hard to draw the line. But one can for the sake of integrity keep pointing out that people who attempt to one up themselves over others using RL credentials are bouncing a check nobody can cash.

I hardly see what on earth you could mean about &quot;my obesssion with Aimee&#039;s RL credentials&quot;. People often claim I&#039;m &quot;obsessed&quot; with Aimee (ugh) merely because I stand up to her shenanigans. I point out the obvious .She doesn&#039;t have RL credentials as a clothes designers. She makes websites for a living and has some technical and graphical capability that she has transferred to this game. Ok, so what?  That&#039;s great. She was able to become a big deal in a game without any RL credentials...but it is a game, and others with real RL credentials will no doubt come along to supercede her. Plus, there are plenty of others in the game who have the same type of SL credentials and they are passed over or not feted. And sooner or later, as more and more people come in the game and ask more and more questions about the unfairness of the Lindens touting some at the expense of others, certain designers of equal or greater merit will come to the fore, this is just nature. It&#039;s just about rotating the goddamn website. I don&#039;t get why that is so goddamned difficult.

I&#039;m not at all required to provide any RL credentials, and I don&#039;t rise to such bait by such low-lifes as Jauani Wu. Futhermore, your claim that my &quot;SL credentials&quot; such as they are &quot;don&#039;t seem to be earning much respect in the group or SL at large&quot; is false -- and you&#039;re hardly an authority on this anyway. For the life of me, I&#039;ve never understood why a little clique from SimArts with their adopted mascot J-Wu think they can try to ruin my SL in all sorts of ways, publishing RL info, harassing and heckling me, mocking me on forums and making false accusations. Don&#039;t you have lives?

I have a certain amount of respect in SL and even among some in this group you&#039;re trying to hijack. But it isn&#039;t a game of dissing and gathering points, like some ghetto gang warfare. Grow up, Jauani. Find something to do either in RL or in SL that keeps you busy and keeps you occupied so that you don&#039;t have to feel such a need to come and snipe at others.

You are FIC, yes, Jauani, you&#039;ve decided to throw in your lot with them and gang them into the group. It&#039;s pretty transparent. I guess you&#039;re finally playing that game that Cienna Samiam and others played so pathetically, which is to be a wannabee FIC and gain your FIC credentials by slamming me. So glad I can serve the purpose of serving as your springboard, loser.

Duh, the notecard of talking points for Phil didn&#039;t talk about specific cases like Jeska because it would have sounded really picayune to spend a meeting with such an important person on the actions of one staff member. Rather, we were able to unify these concerns into overarching themes, Jauani. I know these intellectual feats are beyond you, but if you look closely, you&#039;ll find that the overarching theme of ethics and promotion of businesses at the expense of others is indeed the overall header under which a singleton incident like Jeska modeling fits. So trust me, not only did it go in there, it was raised again forcefully per se as an incident in the community meeting with Robin et. al. (and got a rather lame answer I might add but that&#039;s the topic of a separate post).

The invisible Linden thing was something Anshe put on there from the beginning and hyped. I don&#039;t recally anyone else in this first edition of MJW caring about it so much. Again, how can you prove you are the target of an invisible Linden watching over you? And more to the point, if the point of invisible Lindens is to pursue some legitimate LL goal of monitoring grief, etc. how can we as players ask them to then inform us each time they invisibly watch us? That kinda defeats the purpose, no?

So again, Jauani, this was the subject of the overarching concept of ethics, ethical guidlines and policies that would serve as the guide for such activities as invisible monitoring. When we see what these are, we can peruse it with an eye to how they might structure their actions when doing invisible monitoring.

I have absolutely no intention of starting another group. I joined a group with a certain purpose and understanding, and I don&#039;t get why I have to be forced out of it by forum fuckwits ganged into it by Jauani Wu, who has some obscure grudge or jealousy or something against me and keeps yammering nonsense.

You&#039;re the low-life Jauani for making false accusations against Coco and now raising some crap about her allegedly tarnishing
your relationship with Anshe. Huh? I wonder if you are at all aware of all your own statements. You&#039;re the one that berated Coco for &quot;staying in the house that Anshe built&quot; as if this was some kind of taint or crime. So please, spare me.

Jauani, you are a fraud.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jauani, my point is that people are illegimitate using RL credentials in a realm where a) privacy is guaranteed and supposed to be heeded,  b) many people don&#8217;t wish to bandy about their RL credentials and c) we have no way of really checking what any shadowy Internet avatar person says about any RL credentials.</p>
<p>So someone who brandishes RL credentials to get people in SL to pay attention is overstepping the bounds of the world for many. Further, people can&#8217;t trust that it is true without a lot more violation of that person&#8217;s privacy. I find the whole effort to brandish RL credentials to be a false one in bad faith at the get-go. The whole point of Second Life is to be a second life. There&#8217;s a funny combination of people with no RL credentials obtaining SL credentials and visa versa, or both. It&#8217;s hard to draw the line. But one can for the sake of integrity keep pointing out that people who attempt to one up themselves over others using RL credentials are bouncing a check nobody can cash.</p>
<p>I hardly see what on earth you could mean about &#8220;my obesssion with Aimee&#8217;s RL credentials&#8221;. People often claim I&#8217;m &#8220;obsessed&#8221; with Aimee (ugh) merely because I stand up to her shenanigans. I point out the obvious .She doesn&#8217;t have RL credentials as a clothes designers. She makes websites for a living and has some technical and graphical capability that she has transferred to this game. Ok, so what?  That&#8217;s great. She was able to become a big deal in a game without any RL credentials&#8230;but it is a game, and others with real RL credentials will no doubt come along to supercede her. Plus, there are plenty of others in the game who have the same type of SL credentials and they are passed over or not feted. And sooner or later, as more and more people come in the game and ask more and more questions about the unfairness of the Lindens touting some at the expense of others, certain designers of equal or greater merit will come to the fore, this is just nature. It&#8217;s just about rotating the goddamn website. I don&#8217;t get why that is so goddamned difficult.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all required to provide any RL credentials, and I don&#8217;t rise to such bait by such low-lifes as Jauani Wu. Futhermore, your claim that my &#8220;SL credentials&#8221; such as they are &#8220;don&#8217;t seem to be earning much respect in the group or SL at large&#8221; is false &#8212; and you&#8217;re hardly an authority on this anyway. For the life of me, I&#8217;ve never understood why a little clique from SimArts with their adopted mascot J-Wu think they can try to ruin my SL in all sorts of ways, publishing RL info, harassing and heckling me, mocking me on forums and making false accusations. Don&#8217;t you have lives?</p>
<p>I have a certain amount of respect in SL and even among some in this group you&#8217;re trying to hijack. But it isn&#8217;t a game of dissing and gathering points, like some ghetto gang warfare. Grow up, Jauani. Find something to do either in RL or in SL that keeps you busy and keeps you occupied so that you don&#8217;t have to feel such a need to come and snipe at others.</p>
<p>You are FIC, yes, Jauani, you&#8217;ve decided to throw in your lot with them and gang them into the group. It&#8217;s pretty transparent. I guess you&#8217;re finally playing that game that Cienna Samiam and others played so pathetically, which is to be a wannabee FIC and gain your FIC credentials by slamming me. So glad I can serve the purpose of serving as your springboard, loser.</p>
<p>Duh, the notecard of talking points for Phil didn&#8217;t talk about specific cases like Jeska because it would have sounded really picayune to spend a meeting with such an important person on the actions of one staff member. Rather, we were able to unify these concerns into overarching themes, Jauani. I know these intellectual feats are beyond you, but if you look closely, you&#8217;ll find that the overarching theme of ethics and promotion of businesses at the expense of others is indeed the overall header under which a singleton incident like Jeska modeling fits. So trust me, not only did it go in there, it was raised again forcefully per se as an incident in the community meeting with Robin et. al. (and got a rather lame answer I might add but that&#8217;s the topic of a separate post).</p>
<p>The invisible Linden thing was something Anshe put on there from the beginning and hyped. I don&#8217;t recally anyone else in this first edition of MJW caring about it so much. Again, how can you prove you are the target of an invisible Linden watching over you? And more to the point, if the point of invisible Lindens is to pursue some legitimate LL goal of monitoring grief, etc. how can we as players ask them to then inform us each time they invisibly watch us? That kinda defeats the purpose, no?</p>
<p>So again, Jauani, this was the subject of the overarching concept of ethics, ethical guidlines and policies that would serve as the guide for such activities as invisible monitoring. When we see what these are, we can peruse it with an eye to how they might structure their actions when doing invisible monitoring.</p>
<p>I have absolutely no intention of starting another group. I joined a group with a certain purpose and understanding, and I don&#8217;t get why I have to be forced out of it by forum fuckwits ganged into it by Jauani Wu, who has some obscure grudge or jealousy or something against me and keeps yammering nonsense.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the low-life Jauani for making false accusations against Coco and now raising some crap about her allegedly tarnishing<br />
your relationship with Anshe. Huh? I wonder if you are at all aware of all your own statements. You&#8217;re the one that berated Coco for &#8220;staying in the house that Anshe built&#8221; as if this was some kind of taint or crime. So please, spare me.</p>
<p>Jauani, you are a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Cocoanut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cocoanut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then Jauani, you should try not to keep making me repeat the events that occured that weekend.  It was all in the heat of the moment, and, though not acceptable and recognized as too rushed, even by the one rushing, is a one-time thing and doesn&#039;t need to be repeated every time you spread the false version.

I really don&#039;t feel like dragging those things over the coals much longer, and if what you say is true, you really shouldn&#039;t want me to.

coco
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then Jauani, you should try not to keep making me repeat the events that occured that weekend.  It was all in the heat of the moment, and, though not acceptable and recognized as too rushed, even by the one rushing, is a one-time thing and doesn&#8217;t need to be repeated every time you spread the false version.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t feel like dragging those things over the coals much longer, and if what you say is true, you really shouldn&#8217;t want me to.</p>
<p>coco</p>
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		<title>By: jauani</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/09/cores_and_watch.html/comment-page-1#comment-45064</link>
		<dc:creator>jauani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the one hand, aimee&#039;s rl credentials seem to be central to prokofy&#039;s obsession.  on the other hand, verbena&#039;s rl credentials seem to be irrelevant.

prok, perhaps you should offer some rl credentials yourself.  so far your sl credentials don&#039;t seem to be earning much respect in the group or sl at large
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the one hand, aimee&#8217;s rl credentials seem to be central to prokofy&#8217;s obsession.  on the other hand, verbena&#8217;s rl credentials seem to be irrelevant.</p>
<p>prok, perhaps you should offer some rl credentials yourself.  so far your sl credentials don&#8217;t seem to be earning much respect in the group or sl at large</p>
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		<title>By: jauani</title>
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		<dc:creator>jauani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow! now, after almost 8 months, i have been labelled fic? so now we have the true definition... fic means disagreeing with prokofy! LOL! ROFLMAO! ABC 123 DOREME! FASOLATI!

the notecard talked nothing about the jeska billboards or aimee aimee waah waah.  but now it&#039;s a central issue? the notecard did talk about lindens&#039; ability to invade players privacy, but that is not a central issue?  no wonder nobody takes you seriously.  you are trying to stand without any legs!

Prok, instead of trying to run me out to run your self centred and hateful campaign under the MJW, i suggest you start your own group.  that trick you pulled on anshe won&#039;t work on me.

cocopants, as it so happens, anshe and i have been inworld associates for over a year and i think she is swell.  so while it&#039;s funny for me to have you call me a liar in your efforts to maintain your dillusions, i really resent that you are trying to tarnish my friendship with anshe.  i didn&#039;t think you were such a low life.  i guess you have had some bad influences in your second life :(
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow! now, after almost 8 months, i have been labelled fic? so now we have the true definition&#8230; fic means disagreeing with prokofy! LOL! ROFLMAO! ABC 123 DOREME! FASOLATI!</p>
<p>the notecard talked nothing about the jeska billboards or aimee aimee waah waah.  but now it&#8217;s a central issue? the notecard did talk about lindens&#8217; ability to invade players privacy, but that is not a central issue?  no wonder nobody takes you seriously.  you are trying to stand without any legs!</p>
<p>Prok, instead of trying to run me out to run your self centred and hateful campaign under the MJW, i suggest you start your own group.  that trick you pulled on anshe won&#8217;t work on me.</p>
<p>cocopants, as it so happens, anshe and i have been inworld associates for over a year and i think she is swell.  so while it&#8217;s funny for me to have you call me a liar in your efforts to maintain your dillusions, i really resent that you are trying to tarnish my friendship with anshe.  i didn&#8217;t think you were such a low life.  i guess you have had some bad influences in your second life <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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