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		<title>By: observer 77</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44561</link>
		<dc:creator>observer 77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to criricise LL in this instance. Because a substantial crippling of the game was an unnecessary, pointless, hysterical over-reaction.

Contributed to to some small extent by the endless complaining-for-complainings-sake in venues like this.

Ever a distinguishing feature of fringe journalism which without controversy is dead.

Firstly, this replication-crashes-sims is rare enough so far to be tolerated in order to maintain valuable functionality. If it was happening once a month I would conclude differently.

Secondly, less reaction would give less satisfaction to perpetrators.

Thirdly, if there must be a technical fix on the server, then surely there are alternate steps without crippling, and I hope these are being worked on so our functionality can be restored.

Fourthly, the crippling is hysterical because I don&#039;t believe it does the job. I am sure that any decent scripter could crash everything just as effectively under the new regime. A tiny bit more thought required, but not much. I think we are in danger of someone disgruntled by this crippling giving us an actual demonstration that it is ineffective. That would get discussion going.

Fifthly, was there any time given for discussion of entirely other solutions ?  i am by no means convinced that we scripter residents could not have come up with some &quot;protector objects&quot; which could have come up with countermeasures, and scattered around by sufficient numbers of public-spirited landowners to damp the problem to below criticality, like the rods in a nuclear reactor. We should have had the opporrtunity to try. A competition, perhaps ? With a coupla dedicated sims for experimentation/evaluation ? Or just leave it to private initiative. The good guys like a challenge too.

Lastly, this whole hyped up story has the usual hallmarks of journalistic hype and rumor-based mythologising.

Lets just invent racist connotations, shall we ? Sounds good - never mind the truth. Someone will always imagine they saw them. Where, moreover, can I find any discussion of the real evidence with regard to whether this ractually was an attack - and the affiliation if any of the attacker.

Any half-debugged replicator can easily run away from you if you don&#039;t build in safety features. How about a &quot;good practice&quot; entry in the wiki for anyone wishing to experiment, complete with recommended freebie guard scripts to be incorporated, including auto die, and geographic and numeric limitations.

Even if it was an attack (and it is perfectly likely of course), and by exactly the sort of people you assume, it did not merit the &quot;cripple-everybody&quot; response it was given by LL, and the hysterical responses it has received in so many other forum and blog locations
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy to criricise LL in this instance. Because a substantial crippling of the game was an unnecessary, pointless, hysterical over-reaction.</p>
<p>Contributed to to some small extent by the endless complaining-for-complainings-sake in venues like this.</p>
<p>Ever a distinguishing feature of fringe journalism which without controversy is dead.</p>
<p>Firstly, this replication-crashes-sims is rare enough so far to be tolerated in order to maintain valuable functionality. If it was happening once a month I would conclude differently.</p>
<p>Secondly, less reaction would give less satisfaction to perpetrators.</p>
<p>Thirdly, if there must be a technical fix on the server, then surely there are alternate steps without crippling, and I hope these are being worked on so our functionality can be restored.</p>
<p>Fourthly, the crippling is hysterical because I don&#8217;t believe it does the job. I am sure that any decent scripter could crash everything just as effectively under the new regime. A tiny bit more thought required, but not much. I think we are in danger of someone disgruntled by this crippling giving us an actual demonstration that it is ineffective. That would get discussion going.</p>
<p>Fifthly, was there any time given for discussion of entirely other solutions ?  i am by no means convinced that we scripter residents could not have come up with some &#8220;protector objects&#8221; which could have come up with countermeasures, and scattered around by sufficient numbers of public-spirited landowners to damp the problem to below criticality, like the rods in a nuclear reactor. We should have had the opporrtunity to try. A competition, perhaps ? With a coupla dedicated sims for experimentation/evaluation ? Or just leave it to private initiative. The good guys like a challenge too.</p>
<p>Lastly, this whole hyped up story has the usual hallmarks of journalistic hype and rumor-based mythologising.</p>
<p>Lets just invent racist connotations, shall we ? Sounds good &#8211; never mind the truth. Someone will always imagine they saw them. Where, moreover, can I find any discussion of the real evidence with regard to whether this ractually was an attack &#8211; and the affiliation if any of the attacker.</p>
<p>Any half-debugged replicator can easily run away from you if you don&#8217;t build in safety features. How about a &#8220;good practice&#8221; entry in the wiki for anyone wishing to experiment, complete with recommended freebie guard scripts to be incorporated, including auto die, and geographic and numeric limitations.</p>
<p>Even if it was an attack (and it is perfectly likely of course), and by exactly the sort of people you assume, it did not merit the &#8220;cripple-everybody&#8221; response it was given by LL, and the hysterical responses it has received in so many other forum and blog locations</p>
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		<title>By: President Ferret</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44560</link>
		<dc:creator>President Ferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Ferret am I rite?
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		<title>By: Antje</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44559</link>
		<dc:creator>Antje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Louis, can YOU prove, in any way, that we are &quot;wasting our time&quot;?

You have nothing to qualify that statement with. You have no direct insight into our real lives, or our second lives. It&#039;s the same old weak-ass non-argument that w-hats, goons, and their apoligists come out with EVERY SINGLE time.

More importantly (to me anyway), is the fact that this mindset exposes what folks like yourself are really up to here. You don&#039;t want to participate in the world other than to play some bizarre &quot;we&#039;ll teach them to not take this so seriously, and we&#039;ll expose the fact that they are all a bunch of sex crazed shut-ins with no real lives&quot; game. What a fucking joke. Is that all you have? Because it&#039;s becoming damned trite at this point.

I submit that the people responding here, Prok, Uri, and others, people who I sometimes strongly disagree with, by the way, do not use SL as an &quot;online virtual sex bordello&quot;.

This is the crux of the issue. Folks like you have made up your minds about, and passed judgement on SL. Shove off. You don&#039;t get to tell us &quot;how it is&quot;, or how we should be spending our leisure time. Furthermore, if you think it&#039;s so &quot;bad&quot;, then just leave. The fact that you don&#039;t just further reinforces my belief (and the beliefs of the others who see through the smoke and mirrors) that folks like you are in SL for ONE reason, to agitate people because you have personal issues with the way the wish to spend their leisure time, or rather, the way you THINK they do. Simply put, that&#039;s YOUR problem. It&#039;s none of your damned business how people choose to entertain themselves in SL, so long as it&#039;s not in YOUR face, so piss off. This is a big part of the issue at hand here. W-Hats, Goons, and the others like them go out of their way to ram their type of self-entertainment into the faces of others. All the &quot;sick&quot; crap they howl about is NOT thrust into THEIR faces. They don&#039;t have to go to clubs, people&#039;s homes, or events, yet time and again, they do just that, and they drag their circus side-show of intolerance along with them.

I love how you attack my grammar, it&#039;s a sign of a weak argument when you have to try and shore it up with school marm grammar nazi tactics. Not to mention, you didn&#039;t capitalize &quot;m&quot; when you wrote &quot;mr.&quot;, and you committed other mistakes as well. Why am I NOT surprised?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Louis, can YOU prove, in any way, that we are &#8220;wasting our time&#8221;?</p>
<p>You have nothing to qualify that statement with. You have no direct insight into our real lives, or our second lives. It&#8217;s the same old weak-ass non-argument that w-hats, goons, and their apoligists come out with EVERY SINGLE time.</p>
<p>More importantly (to me anyway), is the fact that this mindset exposes what folks like yourself are really up to here. You don&#8217;t want to participate in the world other than to play some bizarre &#8220;we&#8217;ll teach them to not take this so seriously, and we&#8217;ll expose the fact that they are all a bunch of sex crazed shut-ins with no real lives&#8221; game. What a fucking joke. Is that all you have? Because it&#8217;s becoming damned trite at this point.</p>
<p>I submit that the people responding here, Prok, Uri, and others, people who I sometimes strongly disagree with, by the way, do not use SL as an &#8220;online virtual sex bordello&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is the crux of the issue. Folks like you have made up your minds about, and passed judgement on SL. Shove off. You don&#8217;t get to tell us &#8220;how it is&#8221;, or how we should be spending our leisure time. Furthermore, if you think it&#8217;s so &#8220;bad&#8221;, then just leave. The fact that you don&#8217;t just further reinforces my belief (and the beliefs of the others who see through the smoke and mirrors) that folks like you are in SL for ONE reason, to agitate people because you have personal issues with the way the wish to spend their leisure time, or rather, the way you THINK they do. Simply put, that&#8217;s YOUR problem. It&#8217;s none of your damned business how people choose to entertain themselves in SL, so long as it&#8217;s not in YOUR face, so piss off. This is a big part of the issue at hand here. W-Hats, Goons, and the others like them go out of their way to ram their type of self-entertainment into the faces of others. All the &#8220;sick&#8221; crap they howl about is NOT thrust into THEIR faces. They don&#8217;t have to go to clubs, people&#8217;s homes, or events, yet time and again, they do just that, and they drag their circus side-show of intolerance along with them.</p>
<p>I love how you attack my grammar, it&#8217;s a sign of a weak argument when you have to try and shore it up with school marm grammar nazi tactics. Not to mention, you didn&#8217;t capitalize &#8220;m&#8221; when you wrote &#8220;mr.&#8221;, and you committed other mistakes as well. Why am I NOT surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Neutra</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44558</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Neutra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Prok, can you prove, in any way, that Ol purposefully meant to take down the grids in Second Life, without associating past incidents of w-hat with the griefballs, despite Ol not being a member of w-hat?  Oh, wait, you can&#039;t.

Why are you spouting off about liberalism?  Are you really this stupid?  Do you feel like a big man by labeling and generalizing a group that may not be what you labeled them?

Also, you&#039;re an idiot if you think I condone Ol&#039;s actions.  If they were purposeful I&#039;d be the first to say that it was a remarkably stupid thing to do and that he deserved his permaban.  But hey, it wasn&#039;t, and he&#039;s permabanned anyway, so now you can continue selling your sex toys without disturbance from Ol, or praising your blonde haired, white, blue eyed savior that supposedly died 2000 years ago on a cross for our sins when in reality he was 4&#039;6&quot;, Arab, hunchback and died on a T as the &quot;King of the Jews&quot;. See how fun it is to go on about subjects that are not relevant to the issue at hand?  I just lumped you into the &quot;religious conservative&quot; group without any proof.  My name is Prokofy.

And it&#039;s spelt bologna.  Seems adults can be just as, if not, more stupid than kids.

Ugh, reading your rant again makes me depressed.  I can&#039;t believe you&#039;ve spouted off about the negative ramifications of liberalism and how Ol&#039;s parents are at fault here without any solid evidence to back up your alligations.  ggnm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Prok, can you prove, in any way, that Ol purposefully meant to take down the grids in Second Life, without associating past incidents of w-hat with the griefballs, despite Ol not being a member of w-hat?  Oh, wait, you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Why are you spouting off about liberalism?  Are you really this stupid?  Do you feel like a big man by labeling and generalizing a group that may not be what you labeled them?</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re an idiot if you think I condone Ol&#8217;s actions.  If they were purposeful I&#8217;d be the first to say that it was a remarkably stupid thing to do and that he deserved his permaban.  But hey, it wasn&#8217;t, and he&#8217;s permabanned anyway, so now you can continue selling your sex toys without disturbance from Ol, or praising your blonde haired, white, blue eyed savior that supposedly died 2000 years ago on a cross for our sins when in reality he was 4&#8217;6&#8243;, Arab, hunchback and died on a T as the &#8220;King of the Jews&#8221;. See how fun it is to go on about subjects that are not relevant to the issue at hand?  I just lumped you into the &#8220;religious conservative&#8221; group without any proof.  My name is Prokofy.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s spelt bologna.  Seems adults can be just as, if not, more stupid than kids.</p>
<p>Ugh, reading your rant again makes me depressed.  I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;ve spouted off about the negative ramifications of liberalism and how Ol&#8217;s parents are at fault here without any solid evidence to back up your alligations.  ggnm</p>
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		<title>By: Urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44557</link>
		<dc:creator>Urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I can see buying the Eddie Haskel pleas of innocence and the &quot;few bad apples&quot; excuse and the pseudo-intellectual post modern word salad justifications *once*, or maybe even twice, or possibly even ten times if one was a granola cruchning fattie huffing acid casualty like most Lindens are, but *surely* by now even the Lindens aren&#039;t buying it.  Right?  Someone please telling me they aren&#039;t buying it.  Please?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I can see buying the Eddie Haskel pleas of innocence and the &#8220;few bad apples&#8221; excuse and the pseudo-intellectual post modern word salad justifications *once*, or maybe even twice, or possibly even ten times if one was a granola cruchning fattie huffing acid casualty like most Lindens are, but *surely* by now even the Lindens aren&#8217;t buying it.  Right?  Someone please telling me they aren&#8217;t buying it.  Please?</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44556</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again. Rather than forthrightly condemning the actions of Ol Fitzcaraldo and the victory dancers, and the actions of all previous griefers, and the nature of W-HAT itself as a group attracting and failing to control griefers, Louis Neutra is trying to put nervous liberals on the defensive, trying to throw their values back in their faces, trying to shame them into not engaging in &quot;guilt-by-association&quot;.

Baloney. Bad grammar, or hours logged online, or pixel sex on game have absolutely nothing to do with the issue of bringing down the grid through a purposeful act of griefing with an item named &quot;griefball&quot; which was intended to harm at least *something,* even if we&#039;re to buy this utterly dubious excuse that Ol was just kidding, not intending to replicate throughout the whole game, etc.

This sort of thing has happened enough times that even the most naive liberals see the patterns and they are fed up.

Where&#039;s your condemnation of this act, pure and simple, without qualifications, unadulterated with slams against other people and their online habits -- real condemnation without simultaneous efforts to try to condemn liberals either for unrelated &quot;offenses&quot; (logging on and allegedly not taking care of their kids)?

Each time one of these incidents happen, we have to listen to this phony chorus of denial, distraction, and denigration.

Obviously, Ol&#039;s parents haven&#039;t been paying enough attention to him, and that&#039;s the only parents whose behaviour is at issue in this story.

Ol joined this group because it was a griefing group with a track history of outrageous activities and &quot;pranks.&quot; That *is* intent. Therefore all of us are well within our rights even as &quot;good liberals&quot; not only to robustly condemn what he did, to call his &quot;innocence&quot; into question, and to condemn all of you for not only failing to disassociate yourself from him and his actions, but for protecting the group and its identity LONG past the sell-by date. We&#039;re not buying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again. Rather than forthrightly condemning the actions of Ol Fitzcaraldo and the victory dancers, and the actions of all previous griefers, and the nature of W-HAT itself as a group attracting and failing to control griefers, Louis Neutra is trying to put nervous liberals on the defensive, trying to throw their values back in their faces, trying to shame them into not engaging in &#8220;guilt-by-association&#8221;.</p>
<p>Baloney. Bad grammar, or hours logged online, or pixel sex on game have absolutely nothing to do with the issue of bringing down the grid through a purposeful act of griefing with an item named &#8220;griefball&#8221; which was intended to harm at least *something,* even if we&#8217;re to buy this utterly dubious excuse that Ol was just kidding, not intending to replicate throughout the whole game, etc.</p>
<p>This sort of thing has happened enough times that even the most naive liberals see the patterns and they are fed up.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s your condemnation of this act, pure and simple, without qualifications, unadulterated with slams against other people and their online habits &#8212; real condemnation without simultaneous efforts to try to condemn liberals either for unrelated &#8220;offenses&#8221; (logging on and allegedly not taking care of their kids)?</p>
<p>Each time one of these incidents happen, we have to listen to this phony chorus of denial, distraction, and denigration.</p>
<p>Obviously, Ol&#8217;s parents haven&#8217;t been paying enough attention to him, and that&#8217;s the only parents whose behaviour is at issue in this story.</p>
<p>Ol joined this group because it was a griefing group with a track history of outrageous activities and &#8220;pranks.&#8221; That *is* intent. Therefore all of us are well within our rights even as &#8220;good liberals&#8221; not only to robustly condemn what he did, to call his &#8220;innocence&#8221; into question, and to condemn all of you for not only failing to disassociate yourself from him and his actions, but for protecting the group and its identity LONG past the sell-by date. We&#8217;re not buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Sausage</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44555</link>
		<dc:creator>Sausage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis, I don&#039;t think you, or anyone, could have said it any better than that.
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		<title>By: Louis Neutra</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44554</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Neutra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a bunch of supposed &quot;adults&quot;, you people sure have horrid grammar and rational.  Not only was Ol NOT a member of w-hat when this happened (he is a member of the SA forums and the new SA group, though), but he also acted on his own with absolutely no intent of destroying grids.  Maybe you geniuses should do some actual detective work instead of spouting off things like:

&quot;You’re dealing with many, many adults in SL, most of whom [sic] have been around the block a few times, and many of whom [sic] are raising or have raised kids. That means we know how to recognise patterns of behavior in young people. We know the tactics. So you half-wits keeping (?) patting yourselves on the back in your IRC channels, mutually mentally masturbating each other with your pseudo-intellectual faux concern for society at large.&quot;

I find it hilarious how seriously you &quot;adults&quot; take your &quot;second life&quot;.  Maybe you should concentrate on raising your kids instead of wasting your time on your online virtual sex bordello.

If you&#039;re going to reply with &quot;yeah well look who&#039;s talking mr. louis neutra who logs onto SL all the time&quot;, please take note of how often I log on (not often).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a bunch of supposed &#8220;adults&#8221;, you people sure have horrid grammar and rational.  Not only was Ol NOT a member of w-hat when this happened (he is a member of the SA forums and the new SA group, though), but he also acted on his own with absolutely no intent of destroying grids.  Maybe you geniuses should do some actual detective work instead of spouting off things like:</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re dealing with many, many adults in SL, most of whom [sic] have been around the block a few times, and many of whom [sic] are raising or have raised kids. That means we know how to recognise patterns of behavior in young people. We know the tactics. So you half-wits keeping (?) patting yourselves on the back in your IRC channels, mutually mentally masturbating each other with your pseudo-intellectual faux concern for society at large.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it hilarious how seriously you &#8220;adults&#8221; take your &#8220;second life&#8221;.  Maybe you should concentrate on raising your kids instead of wasting your time on your online virtual sex bordello.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to reply with &#8220;yeah well look who&#8217;s talking mr. louis neutra who logs onto SL all the time&#8221;, please take note of how often I log on (not often).</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/10/whats_bring_dow.html/comment-page-1#comment-44553</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahahahah Jailhouse bitch BAHAHAHA *grins* Ok, that was funny :D RUDE, but funny :D

Ol I hope yer mommy catches you up past yer bedtime online one night and restricts you to no access, with nothing more than Pong to entertain yourself with.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahahahah Jailhouse bitch BAHAHAHA *grins* Ok, that was funny <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  RUDE, but funny <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ol I hope yer mommy catches you up past yer bedtime online one night and restricts you to no access, with nothing more than Pong to entertain yourself with.</p>
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		<title>By: Stubblehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stubblehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh God, the ragging on Linden Labs never stops.  Children, grow up please.
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