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	<title>Comments on: EXTRA!  EXTRA!  BARONS LOSE BIG WITH TELEHUB REMOVALS; ANSHE STARTS CASH OUT</title>
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		<title>By: Dow Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dow Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blaze, we&#039;re well aware that a good portion of Anshe&#039;s land as private islands isn&#039;t going to show up. She has some 100 of them, we&#039;re estimating.

But journalists have to go by the public record at least in part. The public record notes that Anshe has fallen down the leader boards, and that she is showing less land than previously, and less cash than others. But as we pointed out, &quot;These figures are difficult to access and likely not complete.&quot;

At press time, her reserves were less than others, i.e. IGE Wheeling, this was merely reported. Of course they can fluctuate.

It seems highly likely that the fall in the Linden value by more than 10 points is due to the telehub/p2p notice, coupled with holiday RL gift shopping needs, etc.

Anshe herself has indicated that she is &quot;slowing down&quot;. There are indeed other new barons bidding on and taking sims in the northern continent. It&#039;s difficult to know now in the absence of actual data who really owns more land now, but it seems safe to say that 1) Anshe has considerably reduced her presence at telehubs, selling off half or more of her land at many hubs to others; 2) she has let a number of auctions go by, and you can even see she is reneging on some auctions as she has labeled some newly-won sims as &quot;return, mistaken bid&quot;; 3) she has lowered her prices on some areas; 4) others are picking up the slack where she used to be on the mainland, i.e. Rathe Underthorn.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blaze, we&#8217;re well aware that a good portion of Anshe&#8217;s land as private islands isn&#8217;t going to show up. She has some 100 of them, we&#8217;re estimating.</p>
<p>But journalists have to go by the public record at least in part. The public record notes that Anshe has fallen down the leader boards, and that she is showing less land than previously, and less cash than others. But as we pointed out, &#8220;These figures are difficult to access and likely not complete.&#8221;</p>
<p>At press time, her reserves were less than others, i.e. IGE Wheeling, this was merely reported. Of course they can fluctuate.</p>
<p>It seems highly likely that the fall in the Linden value by more than 10 points is due to the telehub/p2p notice, coupled with holiday RL gift shopping needs, etc.</p>
<p>Anshe herself has indicated that she is &#8220;slowing down&#8221;. There are indeed other new barons bidding on and taking sims in the northern continent. It&#8217;s difficult to know now in the absence of actual data who really owns more land now, but it seems safe to say that 1) Anshe has considerably reduced her presence at telehubs, selling off half or more of her land at many hubs to others; 2) she has let a number of auctions go by, and you can even see she is reneging on some auctions as she has labeled some newly-won sims as &#8220;return, mistaken bid&#8221;; 3) she has lowered her prices on some areas; 4) others are picking up the slack where she used to be on the mainland, i.e. Rathe Underthorn.</p>
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		<title>By: Cocoanut Koala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cocoanut Koala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The land barons provide a service.  Just like real estate people in real life.  There&#039;s nothing inherently scuzzy about this business, and no one expects them to do it as a charity.

When the day comes when you want to sell your land quickly, and not just abandon it to the Lindens, you will be happy that there are land barons, major and minor, who will be take it off your hands and onto their own tier.

I had some 512 land that was doing NOTHING.  Not only that, there were Impeach Bush signs went up next to it.  I priced it somewhat below value, and  - thank God - a land baron type swooped along and purchased that piece of useless rock.

coco
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The land barons provide a service.  Just like real estate people in real life.  There&#8217;s nothing inherently scuzzy about this business, and no one expects them to do it as a charity.</p>
<p>When the day comes when you want to sell your land quickly, and not just abandon it to the Lindens, you will be happy that there are land barons, major and minor, who will be take it off your hands and onto their own tier.</p>
<p>I had some 512 land that was doing NOTHING.  Not only that, there were Impeach Bush signs went up next to it.  I priced it somewhat below value, and  &#8211; thank God &#8211; a land baron type swooped along and purchased that piece of useless rock.</p>
<p>coco</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, write about what you understand.

Firstly, Anshee has never shown up in the land owner list because it&#039;s all under dreamland.

Secondly, she is still bidding up the auctions and recently added more sims to dreamland.

Third, her cash reserves on the leaderboard have gone UP and not down.

You have been manipulated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, write about what you understand.</p>
<p>Firstly, Anshee has never shown up in the land owner list because it&#8217;s all under dreamland.</p>
<p>Secondly, she is still bidding up the auctions and recently added more sims to dreamland.</p>
<p>Third, her cash reserves on the leaderboard have gone UP and not down.</p>
<p>You have been manipulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallen Hasp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallen Hasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont believe any one thing will be the downfall of Second Life.  It will naturally die out like all games do, replaced with newer ones.  Ive been gaming long enough to know that.  It will be a series of small inconveniences - server attacks, game changes like p2p where people lose money again and again, ghosting textures, lag, lack of ToS enforcement coupled with new enticing games that will pull people out of Second Life.  I respect your opinions and wish you luck, happiness and prosperity in Second Life.

Change is good.
I look forward to investing my time, talent or money into a different game.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont believe any one thing will be the downfall of Second Life.  It will naturally die out like all games do, replaced with newer ones.  Ive been gaming long enough to know that.  It will be a series of small inconveniences &#8211; server attacks, game changes like p2p where people lose money again and again, ghosting textures, lag, lack of ToS enforcement coupled with new enticing games that will pull people out of Second Life.  I respect your opinions and wish you luck, happiness and prosperity in Second Life.</p>
<p>Change is good.<br />
I look forward to investing my time, talent or money into a different game.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change is good.  Keeps people on their toes and brings up the creativity level.  These changes might open the door to new people and more interest.

I don&#039;t believe for one minute that this change is going to be the end of SL.  Everytime there is some kind of change with how the game works.  Someone always finds new ways to work the system.  Just going to wait and see how all the pieces fall.

I&#039;ve been wondering why we couldn&#039;t just have P2P from the time I first started playing SL.  A good portion of the telehubs are horrible looking, lagging, or just plain trashy.

Gawd forbid someone might have to really work at promoting their stores and what not.  I don&#039;t own land at this time.  I work with a group and co-own a small mall.   I work my behind off to bring new products to the community and feel that my future in game is what I choose to make it.

Raven Page is my game name, I stand by what I say and have no reason to put some alias.  As I see so often with the comments being made here at SLH.

People come and people go.  They make their own choices.  So perhaps the people with the monopoly might have to change their game strategies some.  Such is life.  We all have to adjust to change.

I also played TSO for 4 yrs. Till *I* chose to move on.  I like SL and plan on doing what I can to make the communities I do business with or visit better if I can.  I think if a lot of people would try to think of the overall instead of the few...  things might actually be more enjoyable for everyone.

There is a way too much whining in the world.  Business is business.  There is always going to be competition.  That is just the way of the world.  If you can&#039;t handle the competition then perhaps SL is not for you.  Or perhaps you need to go a different direction in SL.

I think we should all be able to go where we want to go in SL without being forced to go to some hood that we didn&#039;t choose to go to.  So personally, I&#039;m pleased at this change.  It might be a pain for some to get used to or to rework their game strategies, but as I said earlier ... such is life.

I&#039;m sure the land barrons will figure something out or if they choose to go move on that is their perogitive and good luck to them.

Just my humble opinion.  We all have them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change is good.  Keeps people on their toes and brings up the creativity level.  These changes might open the door to new people and more interest.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe for one minute that this change is going to be the end of SL.  Everytime there is some kind of change with how the game works.  Someone always finds new ways to work the system.  Just going to wait and see how all the pieces fall.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering why we couldn&#8217;t just have P2P from the time I first started playing SL.  A good portion of the telehubs are horrible looking, lagging, or just plain trashy.</p>
<p>Gawd forbid someone might have to really work at promoting their stores and what not.  I don&#8217;t own land at this time.  I work with a group and co-own a small mall.   I work my behind off to bring new products to the community and feel that my future in game is what I choose to make it.</p>
<p>Raven Page is my game name, I stand by what I say and have no reason to put some alias.  As I see so often with the comments being made here at SLH.</p>
<p>People come and people go.  They make their own choices.  So perhaps the people with the monopoly might have to change their game strategies some.  Such is life.  We all have to adjust to change.</p>
<p>I also played TSO for 4 yrs. Till *I* chose to move on.  I like SL and plan on doing what I can to make the communities I do business with or visit better if I can.  I think if a lot of people would try to think of the overall instead of the few&#8230;  things might actually be more enjoyable for everyone.</p>
<p>There is a way too much whining in the world.  Business is business.  There is always going to be competition.  That is just the way of the world.  If you can&#8217;t handle the competition then perhaps SL is not for you.  Or perhaps you need to go a different direction in SL.</p>
<p>I think we should all be able to go where we want to go in SL without being forced to go to some hood that we didn&#8217;t choose to go to.  So personally, I&#8217;m pleased at this change.  It might be a pain for some to get used to or to rework their game strategies, but as I said earlier &#8230; such is life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the land barrons will figure something out or if they choose to go move on that is their perogitive and good luck to them.</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion.  We all have them.</p>
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		<title>By: antje</title>
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		<dc:creator>antje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I used to chuckle when id hear “old timers” and betas complain about the growth.&quot;

Hogwash.

I am on those forums and several related blogs everyday, and I have not heard a single &quot;old-timer&quot; say this.

You are spinning what they are saying 180 degrees.

How about some quotes?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I used to chuckle when id hear “old timers” and betas complain about the growth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hogwash.</p>
<p>I am on those forums and several related blogs everyday, and I have not heard a single &#8220;old-timer&#8221; say this.</p>
<p>You are spinning what they are saying 180 degrees.</p>
<p>How about some quotes?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . . . . . . . . . . Thank god I&#039;m playing Eve instead of Idon&#039;tknowafuckingthingabouteconomics online.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . . . . . . . . . . Thank god I&#8217;m playing Eve instead of Idon&#8217;tknowafuckingthingabouteconomics online.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallen Hasp</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2005/12/extra_extra_bar.html/comment-page-1#comment-43888</link>
		<dc:creator>Fallen Hasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record Bob, I probably dont know what im talkin about.  I want to Second Life end for vindictive reasons.  I gleefully applaud everytime i hear a story about impending doom for that game.  Its immature and Im allowing myself to behave this way only because i think no one takes me seriously.  But since youre humoring me  :)

Its unappealing to see a landscape overrun with huge unsightly billboards, lagging particle effects etc .  Everyone is fed up with land barons monopoly.  Here is the problem.  Havin an elitest attitude isnt practical in a game economy.  When you start talkin about showing the door to all these unsavory types if they arent happy with changes, I dont know what to think.  These people do contribute economically to the game.  I used to chuckle when id hear &quot;old timers&quot; and betas complain about the growth.  But just as in RL its a trade off.

&quot;Now contrast that to my unique, own created, themed club which had a dwell of around 200 the last time I looked. Everything in it (apart from a few freebie scripts I used) is created by me. Yet it isn’t considered “as good” as this place with a huge dwell simply by the dumb way that dwell is calculated.&quot;

Youre right on all accounts.  But, the reason you can pull a dwell of 200 is because the game thrives with a bloated population and new residents.  I cant imagine how showing people the door is gonna improve your dwell.

Im not speaking with any authority what-so-ever.  I would never be so arrogant to assume I understand all the dynamics involved.  Is it your desire to see the population decrease?  Maybe you&#039;d prefer going back in time, when there was a small group and &quot;everyone was like family&quot;.  Many of the people who came to Second Life and ruined it with their ungodly builds came from other games.  TSO . . There.com  I could go on and on.  Have you logged into any of those games recently?  Of course not.  No one does.  I can tell you what it looks like to go back.  * see above image*  They are all but barren.  Youll see a small group of hold outs still logging in everyday, isolated in their small worlds where they never have to concern themselves with obtrusive particles or land barons.

Im hard pressed for an answer.  There are individuals in Second Life and on these forums who are by far more educated and capable to problem solve.  Your own ideas seem well thought out and worth consideration.  But i know instinctively what doesnt read right.  Alienating an entire group of people who contribute a great deal to the economy doesnt make sense to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record Bob, I probably dont know what im talkin about.  I want to Second Life end for vindictive reasons.  I gleefully applaud everytime i hear a story about impending doom for that game.  Its immature and Im allowing myself to behave this way only because i think no one takes me seriously.  But since youre humoring me  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Its unappealing to see a landscape overrun with huge unsightly billboards, lagging particle effects etc .  Everyone is fed up with land barons monopoly.  Here is the problem.  Havin an elitest attitude isnt practical in a game economy.  When you start talkin about showing the door to all these unsavory types if they arent happy with changes, I dont know what to think.  These people do contribute economically to the game.  I used to chuckle when id hear &#8220;old timers&#8221; and betas complain about the growth.  But just as in RL its a trade off.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now contrast that to my unique, own created, themed club which had a dwell of around 200 the last time I looked. Everything in it (apart from a few freebie scripts I used) is created by me. Yet it isn’t considered “as good” as this place with a huge dwell simply by the dumb way that dwell is calculated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Youre right on all accounts.  But, the reason you can pull a dwell of 200 is because the game thrives with a bloated population and new residents.  I cant imagine how showing people the door is gonna improve your dwell.</p>
<p>Im not speaking with any authority what-so-ever.  I would never be so arrogant to assume I understand all the dynamics involved.  Is it your desire to see the population decrease?  Maybe you&#8217;d prefer going back in time, when there was a small group and &#8220;everyone was like family&#8221;.  Many of the people who came to Second Life and ruined it with their ungodly builds came from other games.  TSO . . There.com  I could go on and on.  Have you logged into any of those games recently?  Of course not.  No one does.  I can tell you what it looks like to go back.  * see above image*  They are all but barren.  Youll see a small group of hold outs still logging in everyday, isolated in their small worlds where they never have to concern themselves with obtrusive particles or land barons.</p>
<p>Im hard pressed for an answer.  There are individuals in Second Life and on these forums who are by far more educated and capable to problem solve.  Your own ideas seem well thought out and worth consideration.  But i know instinctively what doesnt read right.  Alienating an entire group of people who contribute a great deal to the economy doesnt make sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob the Tomato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob the Tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... Fallen Hasp.... there&#039;s a whole shedload of &#039;unclaimed land&#039; all over SL, it&#039;s far too spread out.

Why?  Because there are so many damn awful builds that people buy land in the middle of nowhere to get a clear view... then some moron like the &quot;Impeach Bush&quot; guy comes along.

If it wasn&#039;t for these huge awful malls and clubs right next to telehubs, and the vastly inflated prices that the land barons charge, more people would be able to build what they wanted where they wanted instead of being forced out to wherever they have to.

People won&#039;t buy land because the barons overcharge .... but whenever a new sim is opened, they buy it all up before anyone else gets a chance to.

I say that there should be a system like in TSO - you buy the land based on its location direct from LL instead of from land barons, and the more &#039;desireable&#039; (in TSO it&#039;s waterside and private islands) the land the more the cost, with a bit of factoring in by its adjoining property being vacant or not.

The minority are affecting the enjoyment of the majority.  It&#039;s about time to stop it, and reclaim the game for the players.  Making L$ worth real cash was, IMHO, a dreadful idea, because thats&#039; the real source of all these problems, land extortion, Bush signs, etc.

Bob
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; Fallen Hasp&#8230;. there&#8217;s a whole shedload of &#8216;unclaimed land&#8217; all over SL, it&#8217;s far too spread out.</p>
<p>Why?  Because there are so many damn awful builds that people buy land in the middle of nowhere to get a clear view&#8230; then some moron like the &#8220;Impeach Bush&#8221; guy comes along.</p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for these huge awful malls and clubs right next to telehubs, and the vastly inflated prices that the land barons charge, more people would be able to build what they wanted where they wanted instead of being forced out to wherever they have to.</p>
<p>People won&#8217;t buy land because the barons overcharge &#8230;. but whenever a new sim is opened, they buy it all up before anyone else gets a chance to.</p>
<p>I say that there should be a system like in TSO &#8211; you buy the land based on its location direct from LL instead of from land barons, and the more &#8216;desireable&#8217; (in TSO it&#8217;s waterside and private islands) the land the more the cost, with a bit of factoring in by its adjoining property being vacant or not.</p>
<p>The minority are affecting the enjoyment of the majority.  It&#8217;s about time to stop it, and reclaim the game for the players.  Making L$ worth real cash was, IMHO, a dreadful idea, because thats&#8217; the real source of all these problems, land extortion, Bush signs, etc.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: TrannyPet Barmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrannyPet Barmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, is that really your house in the picture Uri ?

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL One
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, is that really your house in the picture Uri ?</p>
<p>TrannyPet Barmy<br />
The REAL One</p>
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