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		<title>By: TrannyPet Barmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrannyPet Barmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possibility you fail to mention, they don&#039;t want the community to know the truths behind the rumours.

if my suspicions are correct, the real criminals in all of this are the corrupt members of staff who are ensuring accounts get the OK for perm ban, then pocketing the assets !!

As i&#039;ve said on previous occassions, perhaps it&#039;s time that LindenLab considered a third party complaints mediations service.

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possibility you fail to mention, they don&#8217;t want the community to know the truths behind the rumours.</p>
<p>if my suspicions are correct, the real criminals in all of this are the corrupt members of staff who are ensuring accounts get the OK for perm ban, then pocketing the assets !!</p>
<p>As i&#8217;ve said on previous occassions, perhaps it&#8217;s time that LindenLab considered a third party complaints mediations service.</p>
<p>TrannyPet Barmy<br />
The REAL ONE</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Polonsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Polonsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the Lindens hold the truth.  I also agree that the chances of them enlightening us with the truth are next to none.

One possibility for this is that there could be legal ramnifications for them by revealing such things if the EULA or their stated privacy policy dictates that they do not reveal this information.  Another possibiliy, which is more beleivable, is that there is a current or will be an on-going criminal investigation.  If this was the case they may not be able to reveal the details of such an investigation as it could hinder the pending results.

However, I think it would be in their best interest public relations wise to reveal what happens to the purpotrators of this crime as the result of any investigation.  Linden Labs needs to make an example out of someone and soon.  Otherwise this will just spiral out of control as others will feel they can do this type of illegal activity without reprecussions.

Raymond Polonsky
Polonsky &amp; Churchill
Second Life In-Game Lawyers
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Lindens hold the truth.  I also agree that the chances of them enlightening us with the truth are next to none.</p>
<p>One possibility for this is that there could be legal ramnifications for them by revealing such things if the EULA or their stated privacy policy dictates that they do not reveal this information.  Another possibiliy, which is more beleivable, is that there is a current or will be an on-going criminal investigation.  If this was the case they may not be able to reveal the details of such an investigation as it could hinder the pending results.</p>
<p>However, I think it would be in their best interest public relations wise to reveal what happens to the purpotrators of this crime as the result of any investigation.  Linden Labs needs to make an example out of someone and soon.  Otherwise this will just spiral out of control as others will feel they can do this type of illegal activity without reprecussions.</p>
<p>Raymond Polonsky<br />
Polonsky &#038; Churchill<br />
Second Life In-Game Lawyers</p>
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		<title>By: TrannyPet Barmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrannyPet Barmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True enough Raymond, but then again, you can bet the only people who are ever going to know the truth of this matter for sure will be LindenLabs.

Do you really think they are likely to say publicly &quot;yes actually certain members of our staff are just about as corrupt as they come&quot;

TrannyPet Barmy
THE REAL ONE
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough Raymond, but then again, you can bet the only people who are ever going to know the truth of this matter for sure will be LindenLabs.</p>
<p>Do you really think they are likely to say publicly &#8220;yes actually certain members of our staff are just about as corrupt as they come&#8221;</p>
<p>TrannyPet Barmy<br />
THE REAL ONE</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Polonsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Polonsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget that no one has any solid proof that this 14-day suspension was related in any way to this one particular grid attack the story mentions.  It is just speculation at this point it would seem.  Mere circumstancial evidence if you will.  Everyone seems to be getting upset over something they are assuming is the truth and not necessarily knowing that it is for fact.

Raymond Polonsky
Polonsky &amp; Churchill
Second Life In-Game Lawyers
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that no one has any solid proof that this 14-day suspension was related in any way to this one particular grid attack the story mentions.  It is just speculation at this point it would seem.  Mere circumstancial evidence if you will.  Everyone seems to be getting upset over something they are assuming is the truth and not necessarily knowing that it is for fact.</p>
<p>Raymond Polonsky<br />
Polonsky &#038; Churchill<br />
Second Life In-Game Lawyers</p>
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		<title>By: stubblehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>stubblehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Pleez, the griefer Plastic Duck bitches about Lindens confiscating his/his proxy&#039;s land after his little gang pulls one too many gridcrashes?

Cry me a fucking ocean.

oh, and SL herald...nice balance as usual.

Assholes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Pleez, the griefer Plastic Duck bitches about Lindens confiscating his/his proxy&#8217;s land after his little gang pulls one too many gridcrashes?</p>
<p>Cry me a fucking ocean.</p>
<p>oh, and SL herald&#8230;nice balance as usual.</p>
<p>Assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallen Hasp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallen Hasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i wasnt perm banned.  not even close.  Plastic duck deserved to be banned.  Many others deserved it and were not banned.  The problem isnt that Linden Labs intervenes in griefing disputes.  The problem is they dont intervene enough.  And, when they do, they would just assume suspend everyone involved - griefers and their victims - instead of sort  out abuse reports or handle situations proactively.  The exception of course is a user who gets in the way of anything Linden Labs.  If a Linden wants you gone you will be gone.  Period.  Its not a democracy.  They are not above lies and cover-ups to justify their decisions.  Linden Labs cant win in court and the idea is laughable.  They dont even enforce their own ToS.  Anyway, when its your turn and you get screwed by Linden Labs dont cry about it please.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i wasnt perm banned.  not even close.  Plastic duck deserved to be banned.  Many others deserved it and were not banned.  The problem isnt that Linden Labs intervenes in griefing disputes.  The problem is they dont intervene enough.  And, when they do, they would just assume suspend everyone involved &#8211; griefers and their victims &#8211; instead of sort  out abuse reports or handle situations proactively.  The exception of course is a user who gets in the way of anything Linden Labs.  If a Linden wants you gone you will be gone.  Period.  Its not a democracy.  They are not above lies and cover-ups to justify their decisions.  Linden Labs cant win in court and the idea is laughable.  They dont even enforce their own ToS.  Anyway, when its your turn and you get screwed by Linden Labs dont cry about it please.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14 days? Geez, I got permabanned from the forums for calling Aimee a prom queen? And they bring down the grid and get 14? I do have to wonder if this is just a kind of system limitation, though. Like, the first thing the Lindens do is immediately ban someone for some concrete specific action, and that one-time action in space and time can only reach the 14-day punishment level -- they invoke that merely as the highest punishment the system can invoke that day. But to do the permaban, they have some procedure that causes them to make a finding like &quot;gross and systematic violation blah blah&quot;. In that case, they&#039;d take the 14-day action and couple it with (presumably) other discrete actions to make a finding of &quot;gross and systematic&quot; etc. to justify the perm-ban. So it may be a procedural matter.

One hopes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14 days? Geez, I got permabanned from the forums for calling Aimee a prom queen? And they bring down the grid and get 14? I do have to wonder if this is just a kind of system limitation, though. Like, the first thing the Lindens do is immediately ban someone for some concrete specific action, and that one-time action in space and time can only reach the 14-day punishment level &#8212; they invoke that merely as the highest punishment the system can invoke that day. But to do the permaban, they have some procedure that causes them to make a finding like &#8220;gross and systematic violation blah blah&#8221;. In that case, they&#8217;d take the 14-day action and couple it with (presumably) other discrete actions to make a finding of &#8220;gross and systematic&#8221; etc. to justify the perm-ban. So it may be a procedural matter.</p>
<p>One hopes.</p>
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		<title>By: boo parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>boo parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stop being a cry baby about your perm ban  you did it to yourself u stupid fagit.  I been perm banned also but i aint crying about it cause i know i deserved it u pussy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stop being a cry baby about your perm ban  you did it to yourself u stupid fagit.  I been perm banned also but i aint crying about it cause i know i deserved it u pussy.</p>
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		<title>By: whatevr</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatevr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tranny I&#039;ve said it before and I will say it again. Wake up people there are Lindens in game that play the game and not as their Linden names they go under alts.

In fact I know a certain female Linden who logs on her alt to specifically have an affair with a regular SL player, and it has been suggested she gives this person money and has gotten him out of bans. And the things this player has done is definately worth a perm banned. Convenient eh? All you have to do is flirt with a Linden and own a lot of land and you get away with murder.

If you ever paid close attention you will see those players who own alot of land or private sims never get perm banned, if they do something wrong, they more or less get like a few warnings and a slap on the wrist. I&#039;ve noticed if you pay alot in tiers you are guaranteed special treatments from Lindens.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tranny I&#8217;ve said it before and I will say it again. Wake up people there are Lindens in game that play the game and not as their Linden names they go under alts.</p>
<p>In fact I know a certain female Linden who logs on her alt to specifically have an affair with a regular SL player, and it has been suggested she gives this person money and has gotten him out of bans. And the things this player has done is definately worth a perm banned. Convenient eh? All you have to do is flirt with a Linden and own a lot of land and you get away with murder.</p>
<p>If you ever paid close attention you will see those players who own alot of land or private sims never get perm banned, if they do something wrong, they more or less get like a few warnings and a slap on the wrist. I&#8217;ve noticed if you pay alot in tiers you are guaranteed special treatments from Lindens.</p>
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		<title>By: Plastic Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plastic Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TrannyPet, you have no idea haha.

When my Plastic Duck account got banned LL reclaimed my plot in Cecropia, Michael Linden owns it at this point. They deleted all of my objects except one, which was a pipe I made that jacks into the linden made one, I guess he assumed that I stole it or something. If you look at the creator you can still pull up the profile for my Paper Duck account.

I also had 512sq.m in Waterhead, that&#039;s right, I owned land in a former welcome area. I managed to get it after LL accidentally released some land in the Liaison sim Ambleside, and Pathfinder offered me 10k for it. I told him I would prefer to live nice and close to Lindens and really liked that spot, so he offered to trade for some land in Waterhead. A few weeks later, I get banned. I&#039;m pretty sure he made this trade knowing in advance he could snatch the land back.

But I had deeded the land to a group and someone had offered to throw some tier into that group to keep the land as a Plastic Duck memorial. Well about a month later, Pathfinder Linden took that land without even contacting the person who was paying the tier for it. After said person IMed him, Path conveniently logged off. We managed to contact Blue Linden who then tried to track down Path in the offices and after getting him back in-game, Path explained that that land is being reclaimed because of &quot;special circumstances&quot;.

LL claim in the TOS that when you get banned they will sell all your land and pay you whatever it was worth. It&#039;s lies, they don&#039;t do that.

As for funds? They kept about $25,000 of my L-bux.

Also the resident review panel is a joke. It&#039;s not even used in their decision to ban you, it&#039;s just something they use to justify that decision. If you&#039;re up for review, you&#039;re already banned.

The fact is that LL is being run like a MUD or other online text adventure. There is WAY too much community involvement. Take a look at any other MMO, they don&#039;t get involved with their community because the truth is that when people are on the internet they somehow turn into retarded fucking idiots and make drama over every damn small thing. Maybe if LL just simply ignored all the stupid whining and reports of small bumps then they could stop spending so much money hiring liaisons and abuse team staff and could spend that money getting some coders that can do more than copy and paste the latest pixel shader code from nvidia&#039;s devkit.

But they won&#039;t. They&#039;ll continue paying their employees to settle mindless bickering and flamewars in-game and on their forums. Hey, I wonder who they&#039;re paying to spread &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=305323017#post305323017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bullshit lies&lt;/a&gt; about me?

p.s. To whichever Linden is reading these comments, think you could put in a good word for me at LL? I&#039;m currently jobless and wouldn&#039;t mind getting paid to resolve petty internet disputes.

Yours truly,
Plastic Duck
Internet Tough Guy
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TrannyPet, you have no idea haha.</p>
<p>When my Plastic Duck account got banned LL reclaimed my plot in Cecropia, Michael Linden owns it at this point. They deleted all of my objects except one, which was a pipe I made that jacks into the linden made one, I guess he assumed that I stole it or something. If you look at the creator you can still pull up the profile for my Paper Duck account.</p>
<p>I also had 512sq.m in Waterhead, that&#8217;s right, I owned land in a former welcome area. I managed to get it after LL accidentally released some land in the Liaison sim Ambleside, and Pathfinder offered me 10k for it. I told him I would prefer to live nice and close to Lindens and really liked that spot, so he offered to trade for some land in Waterhead. A few weeks later, I get banned. I&#8217;m pretty sure he made this trade knowing in advance he could snatch the land back.</p>
<p>But I had deeded the land to a group and someone had offered to throw some tier into that group to keep the land as a Plastic Duck memorial. Well about a month later, Pathfinder Linden took that land without even contacting the person who was paying the tier for it. After said person IMed him, Path conveniently logged off. We managed to contact Blue Linden who then tried to track down Path in the offices and after getting him back in-game, Path explained that that land is being reclaimed because of &#8220;special circumstances&#8221;.</p>
<p>LL claim in the TOS that when you get banned they will sell all your land and pay you whatever it was worth. It&#8217;s lies, they don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>As for funds? They kept about $25,000 of my L-bux.</p>
<p>Also the resident review panel is a joke. It&#8217;s not even used in their decision to ban you, it&#8217;s just something they use to justify that decision. If you&#8217;re up for review, you&#8217;re already banned.</p>
<p>The fact is that LL is being run like a MUD or other online text adventure. There is WAY too much community involvement. Take a look at any other MMO, they don&#8217;t get involved with their community because the truth is that when people are on the internet they somehow turn into retarded fucking idiots and make drama over every damn small thing. Maybe if LL just simply ignored all the stupid whining and reports of small bumps then they could stop spending so much money hiring liaisons and abuse team staff and could spend that money getting some coders that can do more than copy and paste the latest pixel shader code from nvidia&#8217;s devkit.</p>
<p>But they won&#8217;t. They&#8217;ll continue paying their employees to settle mindless bickering and flamewars in-game and on their forums. Hey, I wonder who they&#8217;re paying to spread <a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&#038;postid=305323017#post305323017" rel="nofollow">bullshit lies</a> about me?</p>
<p>p.s. To whichever Linden is reading these comments, think you could put in a good word for me at LL? I&#8217;m currently jobless and wouldn&#8217;t mind getting paid to resolve petty internet disputes.</p>
<p>Yours truly,<br />
Plastic Duck<br />
Internet Tough Guy</p>
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