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		<title>By: dildo baggins</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42691</link>
		<dc:creator>dildo baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Please. We&#039;re not children here.

or toxic biatches desperate to become an online celeb for her 15 minutes of fame by posting inflammatory BS rants designed to provoke opinion...well, most of us are not anyways.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Please. We&#8217;re not children here.</p>
<p>or toxic biatches desperate to become an online celeb for her 15 minutes of fame by posting inflammatory BS rants designed to provoke opinion&#8230;well, most of us are not anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42690</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;But is there anything driving this besides idle curiosity or good citizenship?&quot;

Yes.&quot;&quot;


Um...so...if it&#039;s not a client...then let&#039;s guess. It&#039;s connected to a RL job? RL university? Something? Er could you enlighten us?

I&#039;m well aware of your usual technique, Csven. It always involves trying to trip up an opponent by either harping on some tangential literalist point, or trying to skewer him on some real -- or imagined in this case -- &quot;non-reading&quot; of your post.

Please. We&#039;re not children here.

Even Uri said he didn&#039;t like the Boy Scout stuff. So what&#039;s up with all this pestery stuff?

And even if you discussed it or somebody else discussed it, so what? It&#039;s worth asking the question AGAIN: does the real U2 perhaps have something to do with this???


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;But is there anything driving this besides idle curiosity or good citizenship?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Um&#8230;so&#8230;if it&#8217;s not a client&#8230;then let&#8217;s guess. It&#8217;s connected to a RL job? RL university? Something? Er could you enlighten us?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of your usual technique, Csven. It always involves trying to trip up an opponent by either harping on some tangential literalist point, or trying to skewer him on some real &#8212; or imagined in this case &#8212; &#8220;non-reading&#8221; of your post.</p>
<p>Please. We&#8217;re not children here.</p>
<p>Even Uri said he didn&#8217;t like the Boy Scout stuff. So what&#8217;s up with all this pestery stuff?</p>
<p>And even if you discussed it or somebody else discussed it, so what? It&#8217;s worth asking the question AGAIN: does the real U2 perhaps have something to do with this???</p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42689</link>
		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;But then, this isn&#039;t what Csven&#039;s concerned about, in the main.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Not true. There are more than two issues wrapped up in this from my pov.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;I&#039;d also like to take this opportunity to challenge Csven on why he keeps up this pestery, hectoring barrage of questions on copyright to the Lindens?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Challenge not accepted. Figure it out.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;But is there anything driving this besides idle curiosity or good citizenship?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yes.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Are you promising your clients, Csven, that you will secure their IP 100 percent in SL, and therefore you want to badger the Lindens with making this promise airtight?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Once again, you suggest I have &quot;clients&quot; involved in Second Life or other online activities. And once again I&#039;ll correct you. I have no such clients. End of story.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t get it.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

And you once had me so clearly figured out and labeled. So much for that.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;...and I really don&#039;t like the way csven is being such a boyscout about this.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Boyscout? Curious. Wish I could claim it. I&#039;m too selfishly motivated, however.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#039;t actually the members of U2 themselves?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I&#039;ve already suggested this possibility. Too bad you didn&#039;t bother reading up before volunteering your suggestions.

Later folks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>But then, this isn&#8217;t what Csven&#8217;s concerned about, in the main.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true. There are more than two issues wrapped up in this from my pov.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>I&#8217;d also like to take this opportunity to challenge Csven on why he keeps up this pestery, hectoring barrage of questions on copyright to the Lindens?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Challenge not accepted. Figure it out.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>But is there anything driving this besides idle curiosity or good citizenship?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Are you promising your clients, Csven, that you will secure their IP 100 percent in SL, and therefore you want to badger the Lindens with making this promise airtight?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again, you suggest I have &#8220;clients&#8221; involved in Second Life or other online activities. And once again I&#8217;ll correct you. I have no such clients. End of story.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>I don&#8217;t get it.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>And you once had me so clearly figured out and labeled. So much for that.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>&#8230;and I really don&#8217;t like the way csven is being such a boyscout about this.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Boyscout? Curious. Wish I could claim it. I&#8217;m too selfishly motivated, however.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#8217;t actually the members of U2 themselves?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already suggested this possibility. Too bad you didn&#8217;t bother reading up before volunteering your suggestions.</p>
<p>Later folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Plastic Duck</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42688</link>
		<dc:creator>Plastic Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of people who have gotten 1 week suspensions just for rezzing UPS trucks in the sandbox. As Prok said, this rule (and most SL rules) are selectively enforced.

I decided to prove just how much the rules differ between Lindens a while back when I found this huge cock shooting spurt into the sky (cleverly disguised as a &quot;club&quot;) in the sim of Bella, clearly visible from the nearby PG sim Colona with a draw distance of what I believe was 256m (still much higher than most residents have it set I suspect).

Exhibit A: http://www.sapinski.com/sl/slnew/PGdong.jpg

At that time, the Something Awful splinter group known as SADC/Moon Pesos owned land in the sim Gallii, a sim FULLY enclosed by either mature sims or the void. Any mature content here couldn&#039;t be viewed from a PG sim even with a maxed out draw distance. I went ahead and built a large and slightly phallic looking house. At this point we were already pretty much under constant Linden supervision. I had built the house a day after our whole plot had its objects returned by Guy Linden because they deemed our fetus processing facility innapropriate (and also suspended a few people who didn&#039;t even OWN a single object on that land I may add, way to go LL!).

Exhibit B: http://www.sapinski.com/sl/sl3/cyn_dong.jpg

Within less than half an hour, Cyn Linden had shown up and asked me to remove my highly offensive &quot;house&quot; immediately. After mentioning the awesome club in Bella, Cyn told me she didn&#039;t care and that I should abuse report the penis club if I thought it was innapropriate.

A week or two later, they permabanned the person paying our tier (Sausage Turner) taking over $600USD worth of lindens in the process. Around the same time they also permabanned two more of our officers, claiming Stinky Queso had messed up some private island using land edit (it wasn&#039;t him and I had called them confessing that I did it, they didn&#039;t care, so I fucked up a few more sims and called them again claiming I had proof that the notorious land editer was not infact Stinky, no dice). And then they permabanned Biscuit Beckenbauer, claiming he was an alt for Ol Fitzcarraldo, the guy famous for the first griefsphere grid crash, also an untrue claim considering Biscuit had been playing SL long before Ol and they&#039;ve played the game simultaneously from different locations which I&#039;m sure LL could prove if they&#039;d look into things (they don&#039;t).

Now this was more of a rant and doesn&#039;t have much to do with the IP issue, but it does prove that the way rules are followed and enforced over at LL basically depends on whatever mood a Liaison is in. And this also goes to show that any rules they do have are generally ignored unless enough people bitch at them. They don&#039;t strictly follow the TOS, or maybe they do, considering how vague some of the TOS rules are.

Want to finally settle this whole U2 issue? Contact Interscope Records. I imagine if they don&#039;t already know about it, they&#039;d go pretty insane considering how rabid some music labels go over smaller shit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of people who have gotten 1 week suspensions just for rezzing UPS trucks in the sandbox. As Prok said, this rule (and most SL rules) are selectively enforced.</p>
<p>I decided to prove just how much the rules differ between Lindens a while back when I found this huge cock shooting spurt into the sky (cleverly disguised as a &#8220;club&#8221;) in the sim of Bella, clearly visible from the nearby PG sim Colona with a draw distance of what I believe was 256m (still much higher than most residents have it set I suspect).</p>
<p>Exhibit A: <a href="http://www.sapinski.com/sl/slnew/PGdong.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.sapinski.com/sl/slnew/PGdong.jpg</a></p>
<p>At that time, the Something Awful splinter group known as SADC/Moon Pesos owned land in the sim Gallii, a sim FULLY enclosed by either mature sims or the void. Any mature content here couldn&#8217;t be viewed from a PG sim even with a maxed out draw distance. I went ahead and built a large and slightly phallic looking house. At this point we were already pretty much under constant Linden supervision. I had built the house a day after our whole plot had its objects returned by Guy Linden because they deemed our fetus processing facility innapropriate (and also suspended a few people who didn&#8217;t even OWN a single object on that land I may add, way to go LL!).</p>
<p>Exhibit B: <a href="http://www.sapinski.com/sl/sl3/cyn_dong.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.sapinski.com/sl/sl3/cyn_dong.jpg</a></p>
<p>Within less than half an hour, Cyn Linden had shown up and asked me to remove my highly offensive &#8220;house&#8221; immediately. After mentioning the awesome club in Bella, Cyn told me she didn&#8217;t care and that I should abuse report the penis club if I thought it was innapropriate.</p>
<p>A week or two later, they permabanned the person paying our tier (Sausage Turner) taking over $600USD worth of lindens in the process. Around the same time they also permabanned two more of our officers, claiming Stinky Queso had messed up some private island using land edit (it wasn&#8217;t him and I had called them confessing that I did it, they didn&#8217;t care, so I fucked up a few more sims and called them again claiming I had proof that the notorious land editer was not infact Stinky, no dice). And then they permabanned Biscuit Beckenbauer, claiming he was an alt for Ol Fitzcarraldo, the guy famous for the first griefsphere grid crash, also an untrue claim considering Biscuit had been playing SL long before Ol and they&#8217;ve played the game simultaneously from different locations which I&#8217;m sure LL could prove if they&#8217;d look into things (they don&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Now this was more of a rant and doesn&#8217;t have much to do with the IP issue, but it does prove that the way rules are followed and enforced over at LL basically depends on whatever mood a Liaison is in. And this also goes to show that any rules they do have are generally ignored unless enough people bitch at them. They don&#8217;t strictly follow the TOS, or maybe they do, considering how vague some of the TOS rules are.</p>
<p>Want to finally settle this whole U2 issue? Contact Interscope Records. I imagine if they don&#8217;t already know about it, they&#8217;d go pretty insane considering how rabid some music labels go over smaller shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Walsh</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42687</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I few weeks ago I interviewed U2 in SL&#039;s DarkDharma Daguerre for an article on her team&#039;s project.  I&#039;m posting the URL here because the Herald wouldn&#039;t accept my trackback--

http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/u2_unwittingly_gives_second_life_concert/

There might be some additional material of interest in the article with regards to the rationale and mandate of the U2 in SL team.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I few weeks ago I interviewed U2 in SL&#8217;s DarkDharma Daguerre for an article on her team&#8217;s project.  I&#8217;m posting the URL here because the Herald wouldn&#8217;t accept my trackback&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/u2_unwittingly_gives_second_life_concert/" rel="nofollow">http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/u2_unwittingly_gives_second_life_concert/</a></p>
<p>There might be some additional material of interest in the article with regards to the rationale and mandate of the U2 in SL team.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42686</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain puzzled by this. There&#039;s a new sim called &quot;Dublin&quot; with kick-ass builds still under construction. They&#039;re planning an event for -- you guessed it -- St. Paddy&#039;s day, with U2 featured. I can&#039;t believe this could still be going on if the real U2 cared. If anything, they might be involved in some way?

Yes, I&#039;m aware of that rule, it&#039;s in the TOS. But it&#039;s selectively enforced.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain puzzled by this. There&#8217;s a new sim called &#8220;Dublin&#8221; with kick-ass builds still under construction. They&#8217;re planning an event for &#8212; you guessed it &#8212; St. Paddy&#8217;s day, with U2 featured. I can&#8217;t believe this could still be going on if the real U2 cared. If anything, they might be involved in some way?</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of that rule, it&#8217;s in the TOS. But it&#8217;s selectively enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42685</link>
		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#039;t actually the members of U2 themselves?&quot;

You are either being sarcastic or are really ignorant.  Anyone who thinks the real U2 is in fact in SL needs to log off and get a real life.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#8217;t actually the members of U2 themselves?&#8221;</p>
<p>You are either being sarcastic or are really ignorant.  Anyone who thinks the real U2 is in fact in SL needs to log off and get a real life.</p>
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		<title>By: U2inSL</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42684</link>
		<dc:creator>U2inSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever is the author of this article should do some actual RESEARCH about the inworld U2inSL roleplaying band and what it exists for. Next time, before posting some journalistic fluff, ask the people involved with the project what it entails. This is a prime example of &#039;tabloid&#039; journalism that doesn&#039;t touch upon the truth. No one involved in the project was contacted before this irresponsible article was written.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever is the author of this article should do some actual RESEARCH about the inworld U2inSL roleplaying band and what it exists for. Next time, before posting some journalistic fluff, ask the people involved with the project what it entails. This is a prime example of &#8216;tabloid&#8217; journalism that doesn&#8217;t touch upon the truth. No one involved in the project was contacted before this irresponsible article was written.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42683</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t *get* Csven&#039;s being a Boy Scout, so I want to keep asking him what is really driving this. People hate it when I question their motives and create hypotheses around their motives, but it must be done, when you see someone THIS obsessive and zealous.

I wonder about the Lindens&#039; policies on these names. They obviously put them in. They seemed to recognize that Anshe Chung has a name that is so identified with her and her business that others trying to parody it could be reasonably asked to stop. We saw this happen when somebody made a name like &quot;Anshe Trenchmouth&quot; (gah where do the Lindens *get* some of these last names!) and anshechung.com immediately dashed a letter off to LL&#039;s lawyers and the person, who was already griefing events and doing other bad things, was removed, evidently banned or at least getting their name forcibly removed.

Meanwhile, &quot;Prokofy Noodle&quot; created by some asswipe remains, but that&#039;s because I don&#039;t care about things like that and I don&#039;t consider my name in a game something I can trademark in that fashion.

I&#039;ve seen some names in that list, and seen people take them obliviously, who don&#039;t even know that they are famous names of past history or current events. I&#039;ve been surprised that even some of them actually are available and used, knowing of the litigious nature of some of the people whose names are now used in SL. What&#039;s going to happen when the real Solzhenitsyn, for example, surfaces and demands that not only Alexander be removed, but every single possible Russian diminutive and variation of his name, and his son&#039;s names, and his other relatives&#039; names -- indeed the entire last name is sort of &quot;his&quot; because nobody else in history or current events has it.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t *get* Csven&#8217;s being a Boy Scout, so I want to keep asking him what is really driving this. People hate it when I question their motives and create hypotheses around their motives, but it must be done, when you see someone THIS obsessive and zealous.</p>
<p>I wonder about the Lindens&#8217; policies on these names. They obviously put them in. They seemed to recognize that Anshe Chung has a name that is so identified with her and her business that others trying to parody it could be reasonably asked to stop. We saw this happen when somebody made a name like &#8220;Anshe Trenchmouth&#8221; (gah where do the Lindens *get* some of these last names!) and anshechung.com immediately dashed a letter off to LL&#8217;s lawyers and the person, who was already griefing events and doing other bad things, was removed, evidently banned or at least getting their name forcibly removed.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, &#8220;Prokofy Noodle&#8221; created by some asswipe remains, but that&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t care about things like that and I don&#8217;t consider my name in a game something I can trademark in that fashion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some names in that list, and seen people take them obliviously, who don&#8217;t even know that they are famous names of past history or current events. I&#8217;ve been surprised that even some of them actually are available and used, knowing of the litigious nature of some of the people whose names are now used in SL. What&#8217;s going to happen when the real Solzhenitsyn, for example, surfaces and demands that not only Alexander be removed, but every single possible Russian diminutive and variation of his name, and his son&#8217;s names, and his other relatives&#8217; names &#8212; indeed the entire last name is sort of &#8220;his&#8221; because nobody else in history or current events has it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe AV</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/03/is_ll_stealing_.html/comment-page-1#comment-42682</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a Linden Lab rule that forbids you to intentionally create an avatar that has the name of a real person. Having said that, csven does need to stfu and mind his own business; if U2 were going to do something about U2 in SL they would have by now. How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#039;t actually the members of U2 themselves?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a Linden Lab rule that forbids you to intentionally create an avatar that has the name of a real person. Having said that, csven does need to stfu and mind his own business; if U2 were going to do something about U2 in SL they would have by now. How does he know that U2 in SL isn&#8217;t actually the members of U2 themselves?</p>
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