Marsellus, i’ve been saying that for the last 6 months, that you cant run an effective judicial system with judge jury and executioner all rolled into one, it’s a little bit on the FIC side of things, too much control, that can be very easily turned into manipulation and self gain all thrown into the hands of a certain select few.

On the point of things that go against the ToS and warrant abuse reports though, why not just add in a set of rules flags to the sim code ? So that for example, push can be turned off in a sim, or another example, profanity can be filtered out …………. 1/2 the abuse reports wouldnt even get filed then, since the offences would not be committable. Perhaps even give the sim owner the option to prevent self replication, and as i’ve been saying for months now, why not even ensure that no sim allows self replicating objects to cross sim boundaries, then grid crashes of this form would be a thing of the past, thats not to say though, that there aren’t another 100 ways to crash the grid for sure.

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE.

Adohan, so not only he mentioned you by avatar name, this object had your name all over it? I’m confused. How can you simply picking up an object cause all the other objects to select your name as owner (unless some how the take option was changed to allow this change and the first sucker who does that takes the wrap)? I don’t know LSL all that well yet (And no Tranny, I never claimed I did, but let’s not start that rant as we are on the same page for once) so am curious if something like this is even possible.

I think LL seriously needs to impliment a appeal process for when you are permabanned in order to tell your side of the story. Shit happens and so do accidents. Not saying some of those permabanned don’t deserve it and just about every single person who is permabanned will cry foul. How many people locked up in jail right now in rl claim they are innocent? Sure a number of them are, probably a lot of them are, but there are a few that cry innocence that are not just to further their cause. (Uri for example when he was banned from TSO)

My point is, how can you have a virtual world that mimics real life, when you have a justice system where 1 small set of individuals are jury, judge and executioner all rolled into one? I understand if you are busy and can’t look at every case throughly, but in the cases of permabans, that needs to be done. I also know that they leave decisions like this for repeat offenders up to a random jury of players. Have you ever read the responses by some of those jurors? Might as well just hang yourself right then and there. If you are going to have that type of system in place, make sure you have it setup to be fair and just. A full court system, not a half of a one sided one. In real life, people have the right to confront their accuser.

Whatever happened to the Metaverse Court?

Marsellus Wallace
Boss, The Sim Mafia
http://www.thesimmafia.com

For those of you that saw the global announcement from Kenny Linden you already know who I am, For those who missed it the “herpes” balls belonged to me.

Now before we all go crazy and get out pitchforks let me tell you what happened.

I was in satyr dumping a sit anim into a chair I had just bought.(who sells them without them anyway?)

I was bumped by a cube called object. As it had full permisions set. I picked it up to stop it disturbing me.

A short time after I was in spinich I got a IM asking me to come get one of these balls. then another and another. then I got a few HUNDRED system messages telling me that my object had gone off-world and has been returned to me.

At this point I PM’d Kenny Linden asking for help as I didn’t know what was happening. I contacted the Lindens.

All this time reciving PMs from over 50 people demanding I remove the balls. I replied to as many of them as possible that I was talking with a linden and working to get it fixed.

Kenny said I would be logged out and put on hold while they fixed it. So I was logged out.

Kenny then sent a global message pop-up to everyone on-line at the time that these objects where mine (mentioning me by name, a first for this kind of announcement?)

Yesterday I got a email telling me I was perma-banned.

Someone fucks some shit up in your game, accidentally or not, you permaban them but don’t fix the problem. You’ve just killed the reputation and hard work of a content creator who knows atleast a little bit about what they’re doing. Chances are that said person is going to get a little annoyed at this and they will come back to the game with an account full of nothing. Scripted gadgets are a lot easier to replace/recreate than some carefully put together prims. After going through a few accounts personally, I just started dumping my own scripts onto a wiki so that I can have access to the fun things I make on future accounts.

Now that was just an example. Knowing Ol outside of SL, I can tell you he never came back to crash the grid and that one accident was the only time for him. But I know other people who have been responsible for multiple self replicating object attacks after having their main accounts banned for doing absolutely NOTHING.

Yes, it happens. Some of the closer knit communities in SL (I’m thinking of some of the Lusk folks, specifically) are known for ARing goons simply for group association. These goons will show up at Lusk to innocently buy an avatar or talk to friends. However some of the Lusk admins who seem to have a thing for clicking profiles and checking up on groups will urge OTHERS to AR the innocent people who have done thing. Since my accounts rarely last too long, I’ve made it a point to “harass” the Lusk folks by doing just this, joining the w-hat fan club or similar groups, and showing up in their treehouse in a silly costume of some sort and doing nothing. You wouldn’t believe the number of times I’ve had good ol’ Michi reacquaint me with my favorite Lindens.

Now what they’re doing is pretty shitheaded, but ultimately the blame should go to LL for not giving people enough parcel tools to be able to isolate themselves from certain others and any objects/scripts they may be trying to throw onto your land. It really wouldn’t be hard to implement this kind of stuff, just like it wouldn’t be hard to implement a lot of other stuff. In the end it’s LL’s fault that people are resorting to flinging shit and bitching to Lindens because they don’t have the proper tools to ban whole groups from their land if they want to.

Someone crashes the grid? Thank them for finding the bug/exploit and fix it. If you’re dealing with the type that thrives on breaking stuff then you’ve found them and can keep a close eye on them. LL do keep closer tabs on officers of groups like w-hat than others, why wouldn’t they want to keep a close tab on someone even more notorious? What happens when you ban them and take away all the content they’ve made? They get angry and come back under a new alias that you don’t know about and you’ll never know what they’re going to do to screw you next.

DBomber was an example of this, the notecard spammer that i wrote some time ago, i had no idea it would have the effect it apparently did on the grid. This was actually the reason i got permbanned last year, because DBomber was supposedly a grid attack. Strange thing is though, i wrote it as a one-on-one note card spammer, i had no idea at all that it would effect the grid in the way it did, that was an unknown side effect, there was no intention on part what so ever in that respect. Point being though, i got permbanned because some one else ran my script, and it had the effect it did on the grid ….. so with out any intention on my part, nor action as it happens since some one else was running it, i got permbanned for “Grid Crashing”, that basically equates to banning any newb in SL, for unwittingly writing a potentially damaging script !! Not very encouraging for experimentation and learning on LindenLab’s part now is it ?

Maybe if they actually invested in making good what they have now, before adding more features, they could overcome their paranoias of users trying to harm their precious, but very fragile, grid.

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL One
Ex SL Resident, Permbanned & Happy about it

The majority of SA that stay in SL more than a few weeks become regular rule abiding residents. This is truth. The clowns of W-Hat are cliche of joke driven losers who bask in their own circle jerk sustained superiority.

Does your house have STAIRS?

Todays grid crash however, was likely not an accident. Michi reported on the forums that lusk was getting hundreds of objects per second even after he returned them.

TrannyPet Barmy
The Real One
Ex SL Resident, Permbanned & Glad

I agree, there have been a number of documented incidents where “grief balls” have been involved and the “griefers” names publicised, however, i think it’s a little brash to just sit there as you are, ranting “of course it’s griefers …….. of course it’s griefers …..” it’s people like you that enforce and ever strengthen the “griefer is only cause of grid crash effect” with in SL’s population. It’s time to wake up a little bit and realise that systems do crash for many other reasons than just malicious 3rd party intervention. It’s this mentality that’s partly holding SL back, by covering up the reality of 50% of the incidents. If people were to realise that LindenLab’s set up is failing, rather than blindly following people who haven’t the foggiest such as yourself, then perhaps the majority may push LindenLab into updating/correcting their system, instead of allowing them to palm off all the incidents onto the ‘griefers’.

Strangely, again you’re sat here making accussations, “of course it’s griefers ….”, basing this solely on past incidents that have been documented. I’ve followed SL Herald for some time now, and watched it report the grid has fallen over again a number of times, and yet, not all of those were reported or documented to be ‘griefer’ related.

So any way Porky, this incident, that “of course” must be the “griefers”, since this incident is well documented according to you, please do tell, where i can see screen shots of the said grief balls and ‘griefer’ names pertaining to this incident ? Dont waste my time with a tangical flaming session avoiding this question, just show me where exactly i can see this documentation.

The fact of the matter is though, if LindenLab really want to be taken seriously by the larger business then now is the time to increase their security, code out the exploitables(as i said months ago) and upgrade their infrastructure. Morals have no place in business ! MDs dont care about your user’s morality, mentality etc …. all they want to know is that that system is up and running, and they are not losing money. Damn, it’s like me turning out a network application at work, saying, “oh the login screen is a bit weak, basically, any one could log in as admin, and any one can alter the prices on the items, but, we’ll rely on the majority not doing so, and any one that does that we catch up with, we’ll try and make a court case out of it”, i could just imagine the look on my boss’s face !!! Even if LindenLab did successfully do anything authority wise, what do they think that would acheive ? There’s a 1000 more already to go the same way, just to get their name up in ‘L337 Lights’. Time for LindenLab to stop screwing around with FlexiPrims, and get down to the nitty gritty of sorting out the buggy, unstable, insecure pile of ‘code’ they have now.

TrannyPet Barmy
The Real One