Comments on: Land Lawsuit Lands on Linden Lab

By: Prokofy Neva

Prokofy Neva — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:44:38 +0000

He didn’t win. They had a settlement out of court. That’s not winning.

Say, is anybody else besides me marvelling that Plastic Duck really stuck his oar in on this one, siding with Marc Bragg?! Interesting, that.

By: berserk

berserk — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:42:29 +0000

at least he won..

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/04/resolution-of-lawsuit/

Resolution of Lawsuit
Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 3:38 PM PDT by: Marty Linden

Linden Research, Inc., Philip Rosedale, and Marc Bragg have agreed to settle the “Bragg v. Linden and Rosedale” lawsuit currently pending in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. The parties agree that there were unfortunate disagreements and miscommunications regarding the conduct and behavior by both sides and are pleased to report that Mr. Bragg’s “Marc Woebegone” account, privileges and responsibilities to the Second Life community have been restored. For the benefit of the Second Life community, the Parties have mutually agreed that the terms of their resolution shall remain confidential. The Parties ask that this confidentiality be respected.

By: Meggan

Meggan — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:59:49 +0000

First off, the woman who sued McDonald’s for her own stupidity (spilling hot coffee) won millions and changed the way McDonald’s and all drive-thru companies do business. Secondly, you are talking about “intellectual law.” Unless you sign away the rights to something you thought up and created, the concept is yours. Corporations have, for decades, had their employees sign waivers upon employment stating that they agree that any concept they come up with while employed at the company becomes the right of the company. Corporations began this practice after numerous employees successfully sued their companies for their intellectual property.

By: Reality

Reality — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:37:40 +0000

“Not only is land owned by residents, but their objects (inventory “content”) as well”

Wrong – what you own is the idea of anything you create within Second Life. You do not own the network of computers that comprises the grid, you do not own the server space the ‘land’ takes up, you do not own the server space your inventory takes up.

sadly I know for a fact that few judges these days will laugh such absurd cases as these out of the court room … this is as absurd as the woman who sued McDonald’s for her own stupidity.

By: konchan

konchan — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:32:35 +0000

http://www.chescolawyers.com/

Marc S. Bragg is asking for donations :S

By: Eep

Eep — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:08:41 +0000

Not only is land owned by residents, but their objects (inventory "content") as well, which I am in the process of persuing legal action against Linden Lab for unjustly banning my Second Life (SL) account and not giving me access to my content I have spent the last 1.5+ years creating. I own the rights to it so I should be entitled to it. See my SL website for more info.

By: EULA Corruptor

EULA Corruptor — Wed, 31 May 2006 22:30:03 +0000

The days of MMO companies claiming the end all be all with a EULA are long gone. Even an exploiter in an MMO has some rights to his real life currency when involved in the shady bannings of Linden Labs. It’s extremley humorous to me that LL tries to get an agency like the FBI involved with their gaming community when real world currency should have never been introduced into the MMO market in the first place. Lets travel back in time a year ago and watch as nothing more than a grid crash here and there, or a push gun script would warrant a Linden. Now you see what the greed has sewn from them. They took over exchanges of real world currency themselves and got greedy and now they expect a real world law agency to govern that greed. The best thing the U.S. Govt could to for Second Life would be to slam the door on the sociopathic simulator all together and end the money laundering douche bag land barons and Linden brown nosers once and for all. Then maybe these Chineese sweat shop morons can get real jobs instead of buying parcels of digital shit to dole out to unsuspecting housewives and homebodies. Gotta say I’m sad to think I was once a resident of SL and bought into some of the bullshit, atleast I was smart enough to arm myself and actually took with me before being perma banned about $35 net gain profit from a nice plot of newb 512 parcel before I wasted any more of my time.
Of course my permaban was due to up clubs of douchebaggery and shemales. I still like to read about the antics of the Lintards tough.

By: Ruly Resident

Ruly Resident — Wed, 24 May 2006 14:39:44 +0000

This shouldn’t be about personal attacks. If you don’t like a poster, too bad, talk about the issues, not your/their issues.
Anyway, a 2 sided point. 1: “Rules are made to be broken” is not a valid defense. If you break a law, you go to jail, you don’t get the judge saying “Aw shucks, you sure got us that time!”
On the other hand,point 2: It isn’t fair to promote a “real economy” in Second Life, then shut the doors as soon as someone is out of that not so real world. Marc shouldn’t get the value of the land he purchased, because evidently he didn’t purchase it at said value. He should however get what he DID pay back, since he didn’t profit. His punishment is being banned, not being broke. Linden Labs is not a heartless group of people out to screw everyone over. Like normal players, some are nice, and some… lack in the people skills. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to rip them off, one way or another. In trying to break down barriers between real and virtual, in areas where real money transactions are going on, there need to be real ways to guard against problems, for residents AND Lindens. I don’t believe Marc did something at all acceptable, however, I don’t think he should have to lose physical money for it unless and until there is a real-world fine written in to law to cover this sort of Matrixy gray area.

By: Sinjin Popinjay

Sinjin Popinjay — Tue, 23 May 2006 16:55:39 +0000

I have a lawsuit-generated question for you, Marsellus. If Mr. Lawyer wins his case, and a RL precedent is set determining that virtual money = real money, won’t that effect your business? i.e. Make it a federal offense? Please excuse my ignorance but it seems as if Pandora’s Box could be an issue here.

By: Marsellus Wallace

Marsellus Wallace — Mon, 22 May 2006 13:20:58 +0000

Dayem!!! Used and abused lol While it was a bit harsh, I gotta kinda agree with what Max says after reading that log. So what they have access to rl funding? I’m trying to get corporate sponsorship right now, does that mean I am undermining all the other groups out there as well?

First off, if you are halfway decent at this gaming/business thing you don’t need access to rl funding for that purpose unless you have a huge project you want to undertake. Secondly, so what if someone does get rl funding. More power to them.

Anything that brings more people, more competition, more creativity and more awareness to the game I embrace, not shun. However, let’s stick to the topic which is the lawsuit.

Marsellus Wallace
Boss, The Sim Mafia
http://www.thesimmafia.com