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lots of love and kisses

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE

lots of love and kisses

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE

Now why dont you try this Porky, goto one sim, get the address from the help display, then with out teleporting, goto an adjacent sim, and get the address again, then goto another adjacent sim, and retreive the address, don’t teleport whilst you are doing this, and what do you find Porky ? THE SAME ADDRESS FOR ALL OF THEM, UNTIL YOU TELEPORT, THEN THE ADDRESS WILL UPDATE – so something in SL’s set up isn’t quite telling the truth now is it ?

After getting a friend to run some test code for me i also worked out how Max’s ‘device’ could actually be failing, it’s due to a delay in the llGetSimulatorHostname() command, and dependant upon his timing, his code may well infact return an incorrect hostname(the hostname of the last sim it was in).

Although Max’s device ‘should’ give you a clearer picture, i actually beleive that neither the Help Display nor the llGetSimulatorHostname command are giving correct information, because, if they were, they would ALWAYS show one sim per server. Why you ask ? Look here http://www.secondcentral.com/agni.lindenlab.com_report.html Unfortunately dig’ing on agni.lindenlab.com doesn’t help much since transfering a whole dns zone is disabled on their dns, however, with a little php scripting, i retreived all of the sim hostnames along with the ip they resolve to. It doesn’t take much to run through the list and see quite easily that every hostname does infact map to a single non-shared ip address.

So what does this mean as far as working out sim-stacking figures ? Simple, if anything device/display is working correctly and accurately, and each sim has its own hostname, and each of those hostnames resolves to only one ip address, all devices and displays should show that there is only 1 sim running on any one ip. This however is where things halt, it’s not possible to investigate any further, there is no way that any one can tell how many ips address have been assigned to any one physical machine. The fact is LindenLab could well have 4-16 or more of the ip address listed running from any one machine – in otherwords they could be running 4-16 or more sims on any one machine, and NO ONE would be able to tell any difference. There is absolutely no way you can identify a machine that an ip is attached to with out additional serviceson or access to that machine.

So Porky enough of your stupidness and attempts at creating pissing matches with any one who will listen to your foolishness. Again you’ve been shown to be talkin idiotics, again you look an idiot, and again i implore you, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABOUT YOU FOOL, oh and quit ranting your new phrase “gee whizz”, it’s not big, it’s not tough, and it certainly isn’t clever.

lots of love and kisses

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE

See, whatever thing you’re trying to explain will have some real-life analogy or metaphor or simple device to explain it. And it can be grasped by any of us with some reasonable faculty for abstract thinking. Anybody could study the same rote material, using the same capacity for abstract thinking, and master this same material. *Shrugs*. There’s nothing special about you, your mastery of this material, or the material itself. I hardly need to go study sites named “How stuff works,” just like I don’t need to know the theory of internal combustion to drive a car.

So knock it off already. What I’m doing here is questioning a lot of posturing and swaggering idiots who are in some kind of pissing match with LL. I have absolutely no reason to believe LL is faking us all out. They may well be! But I have no reason to be believe these swaggerers in this pissing match EITHER.

What I get is abstract far-fetched theories for what might explain Max’s near-religious belief.

What I’m not getting is some actual field data. Did anybody go check the sims? What did they say? It might turn out later that hey, they all point to the same address. We could press it further. But let’s see if they are even ON that same address, pointing to it, shall we? Then we could go to the next step.

The inability to say “yes” or “no” baffles me. Either you checked the actual sim numbers and visited them, checking them against Max’s HUD, or you didn’t, and took Max’s HUD readings and his website data rendered as gospel. But…why? If your own little avatar eyes in world show you something different in real time, and you have the authority of a Linden to back up that interpretation, which, when all is said and done, simply seems more credible than the blustering of script kiddies like Max or grid bombers like TrannyPet *shrugs*.

I’d like some reasonable and plausible explanation given for why sims lag, if they aren’t shown to be stacking; if they lag AND can be shown to be stacked, what the Linden response is.

Did you look up the sims numbers, and were they the same?

Yes. Or No.

I’d like a simple answer to this simple question. I’m not understanding why it is so hard to answer, why a hundred dodges keep being made.

Why am I to assume others are competent when they cannot face a simple question about a simple device? Yes, or no, Espresso. Did you take the information that Max’s HUD provided, then LOOK IT UP DIRECTLY IN WORLD by flying immediately to each and every one of those allegedly stacked-up sims, and TAKING DOWN ITS NUMBER to see if it was THE SAME.

YES.

OR NO.

I suggest you take a read here http://www.howstuffworks.com/dns.htm and save your self any further embarrasment, before you continuing ranting over what you evidently know little about, especially if you don’t accept that my description of name resolution is correct.

Funny to, that if i use the following config extract in my dns configuration, i will have 4 hostnames all pointing at 1 ip address :-

$TTL 86400
@ IN SOA ns1.local.lan. administrator.local.lan. (
2005032901 ; serial
3H ; refresh
15 ; retry
1w ; expire
3h ; minimum
)

IN  NS     ns1.local.lan.
IN  MX 10  mx1.local.lan.

ns1         IN  A      192.168.0.1
mx1         IN  A      192.168.0.2

localhost   IN  A      127.0.0.1

hostname1   IN  A      192.168.0.4
hostname2   IN  A      192.168.0.4
hostname3   IN  A      192.168.0.4
hostname4   IN  A      192.168.0.4

Now, lets get over this silliness, you can point as many hostnames as you like, at a single IP address – lets not have any more “black is white” idiocy from you Porky.

On a note of a “pissing match with the Lindens”, actually no Porky, i’m simply pointing out that :-

a) We don’t KNOW who is correct here
b) The Lindens are bound to tell you to look in the place that supports what they want you to think
c) Max is obviously going to continue to claim his work is correct
d) You have no idea what you’re talking about, and are just desperate to manipulate a situation(as always) to make Max look bad – with no PROOF what so ever
e) No one has done a full and conclusive independant analysis of all sim’s to find out each IP address as oppossed to it’s hostname, which would then give a completely clear indication of the level of sim stacking in SL
f) Your judgement of validity of sources of information varies with every arguement you start Porky, depending on how you can manipulate it

as you say Porky “I’m not an expert. However, I do think we need better proof of this user-based belief” – so stop trying to claim fact over weather some one else’s product works or not until you have some solid evidence/PROOF, as oppossed to your wishful and manipulative beliefs.

Last thing, “So, I’m supposed to accept the word of someone who can’t even log on to SL as Gospel?” No Porky, you’re supposed to accept the word of some one who has worked with internet technology professionally for many years now with equal credit, as that of any Linden, who is not nessecarily any techie at all !! But then as i’ve pointed out on many occassions, instead accepting reality, you’ll try and manipulate it to fit in the best way for Porky’s arguement

Oh and since when “can’t i log on to SL” ? Yet another stupidity from you Porky ? Incase it’s escaped your attention, i’ve made many posts in a recent thread showing exactly how i’ve come back previously, and for that matter, there is no verification any more, and i’ve lost track of how many times i’ve changed my MAC address now ……… so no there is no concept of “can’t” there at all Porky, it’s a concept of “choosing not to”, though i’m seriously considering a return, simply to write the code to do a decent analysis of this situation. Then unlike you, i’ll be able to be able to post the truths along with supporting factual evidence. But then again, what’s the point, if it doesn’t say what Porky wants it to, it’ll be all “well thats not what the Lindens say, so you must be wrong.”

Mind you i’m not entirely sure what being able to access SL or not has to do with understanding how name resolution works, and how if following Porky’s instructions on calculating the level of sim stacking taking place, you would quite likely come up with a totally incorrect figure.

Lots of love
TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE

perhaps instead of bitching, whining, and making assumptions about what others have and have not done, you can do some actual work and post some useful technical data?

otherwise, it would seem safest to assume others are competent. unless you just like typing. in which case, no problem, i have a delete key.

As always with arrogant tekkies, I’m finding it difficult getting why a simple answer to my simple question isn’t available.

>Essentially though, and making this simple so that even you can understand, you can configure a DNS to point as many HOST NAMES as you like to any one IP Address Porky. Meaning, LindenLab could make every single sim have a seperate hostname(which is the ‘number’ you refer to, which is actually a ‘hostname’), and have all of those hostnames point at the same ip address(the same device, machine ….). According to your logic though, even in this situation you’d still claim no stacking was going on.

Gosh, golly, gee-whiz, this is just so hard to grasp, wow, what a hard scientific concept, I guess only smart people can understand that.

Except…that’s not what they do. They don’t explain it that way. And you’re just talking out of your ass. You’re just fantasizing, speculating, and posturing in trying to do some kind of wierd pissing match with these Lindens. I hardly have any need to accept their word as Gospel, and am happy to criticize them. However, if one of them makes a reasonable, cogent argument, and I can duplicate their points for myself inworld, then I have no reason as such to question since I’m not busy trying to show myself a techno brain as you are.

While Lindens could be using any sort of subterfuge, I imagine the simplest answer is closer to the truth. Perhaps they stack. Perhaps they stack void sims where it is less likely to matter. Perhaps they stack but for brief periods that doesn’t affect sim performance. I’m not an expert. However, I do think we need better proof of this user-based belief, elevated almost to urban legend status, that the Lindens deliberately overstack and keep overstacked their servers as a matter of policy.

“And one of the ways you can find that out is by going to each server that is allegedly “stacked” and taking down its number.” – like i’ve said to you many times previously Porky, you really should try ranting about something you have at least some knowledge of, you might also try reading my posts in full before responding. *IF* you had of, you would have seen how little reading the “number” from the help display would give you.

For starters not so long ago for a short period this “number” was identical for all sims that a friend of mine visited, so if the Help Display is always correct as you would have us beleive, then not only did LindenLab stack ALL sims onto one machine recently, they also decided to stack them all on one machine in The Netherlands !!

Secondly, if it was an IP “number” that you were looking at you’d have a clearer indication of any stacking that was occurring. You dont have much concept of name resolution do you Porky ? Essentially though, and making this simple so that even you can understand, you can configure a DNS to point as many HOST NAMES as you like to any one IP Address Porky. Meaning, LindenLab could make every single sim have a seperate hostname(which is the ‘number’ you refer to, which is actually a ‘hostname’), and have all of those hostnames point at the same ip address(the same device, machine ….). According to your logic though, even in this situation you’d still claim no stacking was going on.

What i suggest you do if you really want some proof, is resolve each of those hostnames(ping is a quick and simple way to do this), then see how many hostnames resolve to the same ip address, then you have your TRUE picture of sim stacking. But then i’m sure you’re not really all that fussed over the answer any way, it’s just another excuse for you to attempt to put some one else’s stuff down, in some desperate attempt at making your self look better *yawn*

MAX – maybe you should consider doing this with in your program if you dont already

I’ve a good mind to sign up an SL account and come back for a few days, simply to write this bit of code, reliably, to prove the point one way or another !!

So Porky, we should all beleive what you say is true over sim stacking, based upon your sole character reference of Lee Linden, and your blatent lack of technical knowledge ? LMAO

TrannyPet Barmy
The REAL ONE

ps. sorry to those who had to read this all again, it’s a shame that some one who credits herself with so much intellect needs to have the simplest of concepts explained to her twice. Just as well i decided not to bother with explaining the “they’re hardly going to tell you where to look to find the truth, when the truth isnt what they want you to see” concept again ……..