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	<title>Comments on: Negative Coordinates: Griefing in the Unverified Age</title>
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		<title>By: SANANN</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42010</link>
		<dc:creator>SANANN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UMMMM I DONT KNOW IF IT&#039;S JUST ME OR SOMETHING BUT WHY DONT THEY JUST HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICE FORCE IN SL?? THEY COULD HAVE LIKE A jAIL AND THE ABILITY TO DETAIN THOSE WHO OFFEND???
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UMMMM I DONT KNOW IF IT&#8217;S JUST ME OR SOMETHING BUT WHY DONT THEY JUST HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICE FORCE IN SL?? THEY COULD HAVE LIKE A jAIL AND THE ABILITY TO DETAIN THOSE WHO OFFEND???</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge DeJesus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge DeJesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL rocks!I am such a FOOL. I am 31 years old and I ADDICTED to SL and now I am losing my marriage of 10 years and going to fight my wife for custody of our 2 year old child. I prefer play the game than spend time with my family. Screw First life- the real world, Second life rocks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL rocks!I am such a FOOL. I am 31 years old and I ADDICTED to SL and now I am losing my marriage of 10 years and going to fight my wife for custody of our 2 year old child. I prefer play the game than spend time with my family. Screw First life- the real world, Second life rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42008</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More E-drama please.

You people are sad.  You obviously take the name &#039;Second Life&#039; too literally.

Please whine some more, dipshits.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More E-drama please.</p>
<p>You people are sad.  You obviously take the name &#8216;Second Life&#8217; too literally.</p>
<p>Please whine some more, dipshits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Herbst</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Herbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good article, Fiend, and the reason they dont show names is to protect those involved. Despite the fact they deserve no protection from such!

The readers of the herald know who I am, and what I do, but what they may not know, is that we are trying to improve the image of our kind however we can, best example would be SLSALT which would limit the types of weaponry used by organized combat/military groups, SLSALT was posted on the main SL forums, and greeted with a flamewar by people who didnt appreciate it (except the guy who owned most of jessie, he had an interest.)

The AN doesnt exist for the reason of shooting up other people&#039;s homes, or to overall cause unrest. Same goes for other groups of our &quot;calibur&quot; per se. (Merczateers, Noveau Ordo Imperialis, etc.) We are communities unto ourselves.

Unfortunately, greifers are normally generalized as being the same as us, in most cases because they simply own/use guns. (To the writer of the article, that gun doesnt sound like anything ive seen yet, except perhaps a simple cage gun with a push script)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good article, Fiend, and the reason they dont show names is to protect those involved. Despite the fact they deserve no protection from such!</p>
<p>The readers of the herald know who I am, and what I do, but what they may not know, is that we are trying to improve the image of our kind however we can, best example would be SLSALT which would limit the types of weaponry used by organized combat/military groups, SLSALT was posted on the main SL forums, and greeted with a flamewar by people who didnt appreciate it (except the guy who owned most of jessie, he had an interest.)</p>
<p>The AN doesnt exist for the reason of shooting up other people&#8217;s homes, or to overall cause unrest. Same goes for other groups of our &#8220;calibur&#8221; per se. (Merczateers, Noveau Ordo Imperialis, etc.) We are communities unto ourselves.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, greifers are normally generalized as being the same as us, in most cases because they simply own/use guns. (To the writer of the article, that gun doesnt sound like anything ive seen yet, except perhaps a simple cage gun with a push script)</p>
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		<title>By: emerie mauriac</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42006</link>
		<dc:creator>emerie mauriac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, sorry, the comment i was referring to came from Random..:-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, sorry, the comment i was referring to came from Random..:-)</p>
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		<title>By: emerie mauriac</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42005</link>
		<dc:creator>emerie mauriac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these incidents that are described above are sooo familiar! I get this stuff once a week at my estate on the mainland coast..I just wanted to put in my two cents worth...I think a sort of&quot;half way house&quot; for newbies would be a great idea...maybe for unverifieds only. Maybe released after a short course on &quot;Living Skills&quot;  LOL. I know it would be a problem to manage, but the quality of life for us is dropping as these events increase. I am sick of logging in to my property and getting harassed.  For a while I had a universal ban, but my poor neigbors couldnt manage it because of the size of my parcel. I have also set payment on file access, but of course, like aEoLuS said above,many times its useless.

One other thing to: I really dont understand why there isnt more detail in the police blotter.  Even in our RL papers, you can read about who did what!  maybe a healthy dose of humiliation is better served to these a**holes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these incidents that are described above are sooo familiar! I get this stuff once a week at my estate on the mainland coast..I just wanted to put in my two cents worth&#8230;I think a sort of&#8221;half way house&#8221; for newbies would be a great idea&#8230;maybe for unverifieds only. Maybe released after a short course on &#8220;Living Skills&#8221;  LOL. I know it would be a problem to manage, but the quality of life for us is dropping as these events increase. I am sick of logging in to my property and getting harassed.  For a while I had a universal ban, but my poor neigbors couldnt manage it because of the size of my parcel. I have also set payment on file access, but of course, like aEoLuS said above,many times its useless.</p>
<p>One other thing to: I really dont understand why there isnt more detail in the police blotter.  Even in our RL papers, you can read about who did what!  maybe a healthy dose of humiliation is better served to these a**holes.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with having them sit in the newbie areas.  I have personally had a ton more incidents of griefing in many settings in SL since open registration.  Not only is there more sim crashing in places I shop often, but a club I work at... something happens at least 1-2 times on most days.  Mostly menial and they give up after a ban.  But in some cases, as was the other day, a scripted box was bouncing person to person to person and knocking them, pushing them, orbiting them WITH push off.  I heard this was going on in other areas of SL, so I went straight to a Linden because it was getting overly annoying.

In short they ended up banning and deleting the character.  Great right?  Nope.  Same script back within an hour under another new name.

Another pointless ban.  Of course, thanks to the update, the ban list was cleared.  Yay!

Until they get it so that when you set permissions or bans on land, those people cannot place prims (i.e. banned or the limits set when land allows info provided only), this is going to keep going.  Many land owners I know, have set it to payment info on file, but it&#039;s not working unless those who border them do the same thing, so the offender can&#039;t get close enough to place a prim over there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with having them sit in the newbie areas.  I have personally had a ton more incidents of griefing in many settings in SL since open registration.  Not only is there more sim crashing in places I shop often, but a club I work at&#8230; something happens at least 1-2 times on most days.  Mostly menial and they give up after a ban.  But in some cases, as was the other day, a scripted box was bouncing person to person to person and knocking them, pushing them, orbiting them WITH push off.  I heard this was going on in other areas of SL, so I went straight to a Linden because it was getting overly annoying.</p>
<p>In short they ended up banning and deleting the character.  Great right?  Nope.  Same script back within an hour under another new name.</p>
<p>Another pointless ban.  Of course, thanks to the update, the ban list was cleared.  Yay!</p>
<p>Until they get it so that when you set permissions or bans on land, those people cannot place prims (i.e. banned or the limits set when land allows info provided only), this is going to keep going.  Many land owners I know, have set it to payment info on file, but it&#8217;s not working unless those who border them do the same thing, so the offender can&#8217;t get close enough to place a prim over there.</p>
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		<title>By: aEoLuS Waves</title>
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		<dc:creator>aEoLuS Waves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should let them stay on help island for a week before letting them into the wild. That will chill them a bit.
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/08/negative_coordi.html/comment-page-1#comment-42002</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please keep pushing to get these numbers out of SL. We&#039;d like to know:

a) How many Abuse Reports filed
b) Of these, how many do they accept, process, determine a violation took place, and ACT ON by a warning, ban, etc.
c) Of these, how many are placed on the police blotter.
d) How many are rejected as inapplicable
e) How many are frivolous and false
f) How many are errors that are reversed upon appeal

Yes, we can now all see the obvious, which we should have seen long ago: the Lindens are processing cases, but not putting them on the police blotter.

Two reasons why:

a) Too busy
b) Need to &#039;disappear&#039; people and not use due process -- they just erase them, boot them for no reason and don&#039;t attempt to find facts.

Both of these are bad developments for SL society, just like they are for RL.

This is why I started a police report tracking page:
http://prokofyneva.s10.forumsplace.com/

This is hard work, and I hope I get company. My goal is to show that no reports being acted upon are getting on the police blotter, and that the Lindens are chosing really lame, and really inconsequential things to put on the police blotter. It&#039;s pretty evident that&#039;s what&#039;s happening.

Unless they make this system more transparent and effective, it can&#039;t deter griefing. But they prefer to just stall in the notion that residents are going to take on their own policing.

This is also the time to get the lobbying going again to get the teleport home function deprecated and to get weapons -- which include security orbs -- banned if not mechanically through elimination or non-functioning of the scripts -- banned at least with a policy that is more robust with real visible punishment and consequences.

Yes, it&#039;s time. If the Lindens want to run separate combat sims, or provide some kind of opt-in combat option for private islands, they can do that. Those who have the wealth to maintain sims for the shooters can then do that.

Those wishing to live in peace on the mainland -- probably 80 percent or more -- shouldn&#039;t be held hostage to the 10-20 percent griefing assholes and shouldn&#039;t be forced to pay the price for the Lindens coquettishly still advertising their game as a war game out of one side of their mouths but then pretending it&#039;s a social platform for serious work and business out of the other.

Weapons manufacturers, the makers of the grand total of 17 1/2 elevators in SL who are constantly and speciously invoked in this debate, Psyke&#039;s Defense Corporation, and other interested parties need to be pushed -- teleported home -- into understanding that their greedy economic or FIC class interests cannot be allowed to diminish our quality of life.

Deprecate, deprecate, deprecate. Philip Linden was very close to doing this, and ordered it to be done a year ago, as you can see documented on the forums, and which he himself discussed in public meetings, but then the Lindens inside the company who are of the tekkie-wiki war-gaming asshole mindset (look at how their very first invention isn&#039;t creative, but destructive, from that old movie) who want to ensure freedom for shooting and war gaming and &quot;creativity,&quot; lobbied and gang-raped this effort, as they gang-raped that Linden in the IRC channel.

They never met a script they didn&#039;t like. They need to get a big club over the head on this -- apparently force is all they can understand, the force they want endlessly used on us, pushing and banging our avatars around because asswipes shoot at us.

It&#039;s so clear what the Lindens&#039; nasty, cynical strategy is:

o bring in lots of free accounts, a percentage of whom will either level up to paid accounts, or who will make money in the sex and club trade, and buy content from the oldbie feted core, including their weapons content;

o let the mainland go to the dogs and allow the shooters and griefers to take over;

o force lower and middle class mainland owners on to private islands and improve island sales.

I think it&#039;s a shameful, fucking performance. Linden needs to face the music and either protect the mainland, or consciously create an orderly process to close it down with 1:1 compensation on the sims trading to islands -- not shoot and rape their customers by proxy via their freebie griefing new account friends, into buying or renting more expensive islands.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please keep pushing to get these numbers out of SL. We&#8217;d like to know:</p>
<p>a) How many Abuse Reports filed<br />
b) Of these, how many do they accept, process, determine a violation took place, and ACT ON by a warning, ban, etc.<br />
c) Of these, how many are placed on the police blotter.<br />
d) How many are rejected as inapplicable<br />
e) How many are frivolous and false<br />
f) How many are errors that are reversed upon appeal</p>
<p>Yes, we can now all see the obvious, which we should have seen long ago: the Lindens are processing cases, but not putting them on the police blotter.</p>
<p>Two reasons why:</p>
<p>a) Too busy<br />
b) Need to &#8216;disappear&#8217; people and not use due process &#8212; they just erase them, boot them for no reason and don&#8217;t attempt to find facts.</p>
<p>Both of these are bad developments for SL society, just like they are for RL.</p>
<p>This is why I started a police report tracking page:<br />
<a href="http://prokofyneva.s10.forumsplace.com/" rel="nofollow">http://prokofyneva.s10.forumsplace.com/</a></p>
<p>This is hard work, and I hope I get company. My goal is to show that no reports being acted upon are getting on the police blotter, and that the Lindens are chosing really lame, and really inconsequential things to put on the police blotter. It&#8217;s pretty evident that&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening.</p>
<p>Unless they make this system more transparent and effective, it can&#8217;t deter griefing. But they prefer to just stall in the notion that residents are going to take on their own policing.</p>
<p>This is also the time to get the lobbying going again to get the teleport home function deprecated and to get weapons &#8212; which include security orbs &#8212; banned if not mechanically through elimination or non-functioning of the scripts &#8212; banned at least with a policy that is more robust with real visible punishment and consequences.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s time. If the Lindens want to run separate combat sims, or provide some kind of opt-in combat option for private islands, they can do that. Those who have the wealth to maintain sims for the shooters can then do that.</p>
<p>Those wishing to live in peace on the mainland &#8212; probably 80 percent or more &#8212; shouldn&#8217;t be held hostage to the 10-20 percent griefing assholes and shouldn&#8217;t be forced to pay the price for the Lindens coquettishly still advertising their game as a war game out of one side of their mouths but then pretending it&#8217;s a social platform for serious work and business out of the other.</p>
<p>Weapons manufacturers, the makers of the grand total of 17 1/2 elevators in SL who are constantly and speciously invoked in this debate, Psyke&#8217;s Defense Corporation, and other interested parties need to be pushed &#8212; teleported home &#8212; into understanding that their greedy economic or FIC class interests cannot be allowed to diminish our quality of life.</p>
<p>Deprecate, deprecate, deprecate. Philip Linden was very close to doing this, and ordered it to be done a year ago, as you can see documented on the forums, and which he himself discussed in public meetings, but then the Lindens inside the company who are of the tekkie-wiki war-gaming asshole mindset (look at how their very first invention isn&#8217;t creative, but destructive, from that old movie) who want to ensure freedom for shooting and war gaming and &#8220;creativity,&#8221; lobbied and gang-raped this effort, as they gang-raped that Linden in the IRC channel.</p>
<p>They never met a script they didn&#8217;t like. They need to get a big club over the head on this &#8212; apparently force is all they can understand, the force they want endlessly used on us, pushing and banging our avatars around because asswipes shoot at us.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so clear what the Lindens&#8217; nasty, cynical strategy is:</p>
<p>o bring in lots of free accounts, a percentage of whom will either level up to paid accounts, or who will make money in the sex and club trade, and buy content from the oldbie feted core, including their weapons content;</p>
<p>o let the mainland go to the dogs and allow the shooters and griefers to take over;</p>
<p>o force lower and middle class mainland owners on to private islands and improve island sales.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a shameful, fucking performance. Linden needs to face the music and either protect the mainland, or consciously create an orderly process to close it down with 1:1 compensation on the sims trading to islands &#8212; not shoot and rape their customers by proxy via their freebie griefing new account friends, into buying or renting more expensive islands.</p>
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		<title>By: Crissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, reports and incidents are up since open registration - but so are paid accounts.  I know the information is public, but Linden has been a bit busy of late with &#039;maintainence&#039; (aka bug fixing) and SLCC.  Especially the latter for the public rep people.

Now, in my work at http://MMOGCHART.com/ I come across this information, I&#039;ll see if I can get this info for you.

Heck, someone came into my SL house and shot me yesterday.  The best advice is to:&lt;li&gt;Sit Down&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Target mute and Ban the greifer.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Report name and incident.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, reports and incidents are up since open registration &#8211; but so are paid accounts.  I know the information is public, but Linden has been a bit busy of late with &#8216;maintainence&#8217; (aka bug fixing) and SLCC.  Especially the latter for the public rep people.</p>
<p>Now, in my work at <a href="http://MMOGCHART.com/" rel="nofollow">http://MMOGCHART.com/</a> I come across this information, I&#8217;ll see if I can get this info for you.</p>
<p>Heck, someone came into my SL house and shot me yesterday.  The best advice is to:
<li>Sit Down</li>
<li>Target mute and Ban the greifer.</li>
<li>Report name and incident.</li>
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