Comments on: Anshe to Honor Residents’ Vote: Dishonest PR Flacks to be Banned from Dreamland Continent

By: In the name of fairness

In the name of fairness — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:52:51 +0000

Mafia Tactics: intimidation, extortion, robbery. As Dreamland has decided to police it’s remote continent in SL so to must Linden Lab. Recent encounters with the fine “angels” of Dreamland have left residents a little beat up and confused with a pang in their gut which anyone who has been mugged can relate to. As Dreamland makes it’s assult on PR within SL remember an old saying popular here in the South; “a bit dog hollars”.

By: Marcus

Marcus — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:39:22 +0000

Frau Chung sollte mal von ihren Admins ihr Forum kontrollieren lassen.
Im deutschen Forum ihrer Seite wird man von Pornografie fast erschlagen.

Beispiellink? http://www.anshechung.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3107

Bitte sehr.

Gruß
Marcus Budke

(In SecondLife Eugene Kirshner)

By: Urizenus

Urizenus — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:43:36 +0000

Well for the most part they have been horrible about correcting it. As you point out, that Gallery of Firsts has been changed, but it was originally published in August or thereabouts, and Spin Martin on his blog and Zero Grace on Clickable Culture went off on it to little effect. It was only when we started screaming “fucktard” and Amanda Chapel picked up the story in Wonkette that things started to change and even then only after lots of back and forths in blog space did the changes happen.

And to date, so far as I know, no one has retracted the fake firsts mentioned in Anshe’s letter: first radio station, first tabloid, etc.

By: Artemis Fate

Artemis Fate — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:03:42 +0000

The story is, the way I see it: these people took a cursory glance at SL, picked out all the oldest popular PR reports of various aspects of SL, and decided that these must be the first large scale developments of this in SL, without realizing that SL has been around for a long time before it became a media darling, and such things have developed before hand. They just wanted a quick story, not months of research, so they went with that and figured no one would care all that much.

They were wrong, people complained, they went “oops” and changed the title to better reflect what they were getting at, a list of various large scale PR firsts that they found over cursory research into SL.

This isn’t some large conspiracy to supercede SL history with their oncomming, and it’s not them purposefully lying, it’s just basic laziness, you all complained, they corrected it, that should be the end of the story there.

By: Urizenus

Urizenus — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:55:18 +0000

Some of the offenders back-peddaled and claimed just that when they got called out the first time, but (i) if that is what they meant then that is what they should have said, and (ii)some of the first claims didn’t have to do with so-called r/l corporations but corps that didn’t exist yet but and were allegedly the first to “launch” in SL or some such thing, and (iii) lots of the early virtual corporations came from outside SL, including the Herald don’t forget, (iv) the real/virtual distinction really bleeds here, so trying to state a “first” in those terms show that you are just plain missing the point. Case in point, do you really want to say that Anshe Chung Studios is not a real world corporation? Even after she has been on the cover of Business Week? Even if she has offices and a full time staff? As do many SL corps? Well, she started a radio station — Dreamland Radio — why was that less real that whatever channel 4 thinks they are going to do?

I think that pushing bullshit claims at us works in broadcast media because what are people going to do to check it out? Call all their friends on the phone and ask if its true? In social spaces like SL the group groks out these fabrications and makes the fabricators pay. That’s just how it is. I only marvel that the PR people can’t wrap their minds around this simple fact. They are so stuck in old media — even the new media guys only seem to understand the technology. They don’t seem to have a clue about the social and epistemic power unlocked by the technology.

By: Szentasha Salome

Szentasha Salome — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:54:54 +0000

I was wondering .. and hope someone can enlighten me on this. Could it be possible that this is just a misunderstanding? Was American Apparel the first RL fashion band to move into SL? Is that what they mean when they say first? I’m not defending them. I hate the way SL is quickly becoming a marketing platform for RL businesses and developer-residences aren’t getting the credit or respect they deserve. I’m just trying to understand this on its merits. I think the implication from many of these ‘first’ claims is that it is a RL institution entering SL, and doesn’t take away from businesses like mine that started in SL and are likely to stay there.

By: Markus Breuer (Pham Neutra)

Markus Breuer (Pham Neutra) — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:20:05 +0000

While I certainly won’t defend those fake firster, it is one thing to critisize them and another to ban those involved in false claims. If ACS really plans to ban avatars based on what the humans behind them say in press releases, that would be a “interesting” political attitude, to phrase it politely.

On the other hand, I don’t believe that Anshe or Guni will actually ban anyone. This press release looks more like an clever PR ploy itself. Present yourself as defender of The People – and remind those RL companies that you have something interesting to offer. I wonder if we will see some RL sourced advertising in the Plush sims soon – and if those fake “firsters” will be among the advertisers

By: Artemis Fate

Artemis Fate — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:53:14 +0000

So essentially, Anshe is making sure that she’s the only “Dishonest PR Flack” in town. I can understand why she wouldn’t want competition, especially from those who do it much better than her.

I also find it funny that this decision has been made off of the “firsts” of SL article, which no longer exists due to them changing the name after realizing their error.

By: Strumpette

Strumpette — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:55:28 +0000

NEWS FLASH: PR Flacks Banned in Second Life

This just in… what is being billed as one of the most significant developments in the history of virtual worlds, residents of the Second Life gated community Dreamland have voted to ban PR practitioners from their region. By conservative estimates

By: eva

eva — Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:23:08 +0000

One word for you AC: baller.

Keep on keepin it real.
-Eva-