Comments on: Gorean Journey: Part 3. about the collar

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Some Problems in the Aesthetics of Immersion (Part 1) « InNegative — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 01:18:14 +0000

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By: Callista

Callista — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:20:29 +0000

It is in no way a cult, it is merely a group of people who enjoy BDSM, but unlike BDSM, there is no safe word. It is a true way of life. It is an honor to have a Master, and to Kol’lared. It is the best day in a slaves life…

By: Hurra Smalls

Hurra Smalls — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:31:01 +0000

Miss Artemis Fate, please look into it before you judge. It is not a cult, it is merely a set of like-minded people who want to fantasize about a nice book. Like Trekkies, or better yet, Harry Potter fans. Generally, except for the psychos, everything is kind and consensual when out of your “Character”. Nothing cult-like of any sort. Don’t like it? Leave!

By: rhianna

rhianna — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:03:36 +0000

Its ages since this was posted, but i feel i must comment. Am in the bdsm lifestyle in real life and gor online at http://www.thepalace.com in Silver Moon Village.
There’s a point being missed. The slave *chooses* this collar, just as a monk chooses or a nun chooses or whatever.
So if she breaks that promise, it is not just something broken to the Master it is something she has broken to her self too. To her own honour and truth.
If a person breaks an oath and it doesnt bother them, thats a good thing in my opinion. It means they pretty much lied to themselves in the beginning and shouldnt have taken the oath ( collar is a symbol of that oath).
If the person breaks the oath ( removes the collar)- without discussion or asking to be released ie negotiating a release – she is going against her own honour and truth. And that is why she would be lost and broken. Not just to miss whatever love was there, but because she has dishonoured her own self and her own heart.
respectfully
rhianna/laurie

By: Raddick Szymborska

Raddick Szymborska — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:02:58 +0000

Artemis – For the record, I am indeed sparrowhawk’s current Master, and proud that she wears my collar.

I do disagree with your Problem of Gor notecard, but I have not publicly addressed it yet, although I now have an opportunity since it is published on this site. A point I wish to make here is that sparrowhawk’s article is not about you, or your writing. I do not care to fall to insults, I would rather have reasonable debate about her article here, and discuss your article over on that page. And so:

When sparrowhawk describes a kind of death as the result of taking off a collar, do you believe that her feeling is a result of brainwashing, or the result of taking her roleplay seriously, and thereby experiencing real emotions as a result?

By: Artemis Fate

Artemis Fate — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:13:24 +0000

I don’t find it coincidental at all that 100% of the notecard’s detractors (the minority response), are all hardcore goreans who callously throw out insults at me personally more than my points, whereas all the majority response to the notecard, from non-serious goreans and non-goreans, seems to be calling it insightful or well-argued.

I especially enjoy this quote:

“artemis went to the library and found six or seven cards that she thought would do a job on some Gorean male who pissed her off.”

Since the notecard states quite the opposite within the first couple paragraphs, which means either you didn’t read it, but are more than ready to criticize my quality of research, or you got within the first couple sentences and quit because you were too eager to start insulting me, and just pretended like you read it all.

Certainly, I could address the alt relationships in gor, but my points weren’t based around the slight intricacies of kajira trying out different positions in Gor, it was about operating procedure and philosophical comparisons. This “problem” of gor only comes from insecure lifestyle masters who fear that they were losing their already slight pimply grip on their digital dream girl, but in a roleplay gor society would be hardly a problem at all.

By: humdog

humdog — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:15:42 +0000

yes. i read “The Problem of Gor” and it is BS. it is BS because it was sloppy research, it was a moderately skilled act of “pick and choose” having more in common with the howling of prokofy neva on a bad day than it had with any kind of thoughtful analysis. there are problems in SL Gor to be sure, but the author of “Problem of Gor” clearly has not thought about what they are, so intent was she on creating a “punish the Master” polemic. a person understanding D/s and intending to go after Gor in SL would address the problem of free-account alt imposter Masters; would address slavers-in-training with kennels of their own; would address the irritated/angry kajira-alt panther — the kajira-alt panther probably constituting the single most common type of panther in SL gor — and perhaps most insanely, would address the gor-sim-run-by-kajira-in-freewoman-drag. The author of Problem of Gor does not address any of that because she simply does not know it exists. instead, she comes across with some Tom-Cruise based interplanetary sunset blvd based nonsense about scientology. i dunno. maybe she never heard of the monastic system so she can’t speak to it. Problem of Gor does not define any terms, does not attempt to understand, or adress the culture of Gor, does not address in fact say anything other than apparently this: once upon a time, artemis went to the library and found six or seven cards that she thought would do a job on some Gorean male who pissed her off.

By: Urizenus

Urizenus — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:12:24 +0000

uh oh, that’s going to awaken Starhawk from her humdogmatic slumbers.

By: Artemis Fate

Artemis Fate — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:02:19 +0000

I think the simple fact that you don’t recognize this:

“Removing the collar and thereby breaking the bond created between them by the collar, is in reality a fairly self-destructive act and an invitation to severe emotional pain and a kind of death.”

As a cult-like conditioning effect, says enough to me about your intentions and persuasions, o’ gorean master of the slave writer of this article.