Comments on: AvaTard Launches! Features Hard-Hitting Commentary from Catherine Linden http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Artemis Fate http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39147 Artemis Fate Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:20:34 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39147 "when I began to ask some pointed questions about this griefing, and make some pretty logical statements about the connection of the griefing to W-Hat, Akela came on the thread and started threatening me with permabanning if I kept up making conspiratorial accusations." Well, I think what sounds logical and pointed to you, ends up sounding crazy and accusatory to everyone else. All I know is that everytime you get banned or almost get banned from a forum, it's not because of your claims of being "too logical, or hitting to close to home" it's because you went around insulting people and accusing them of wild conspiracy theories. “when I began to ask some pointed questions about this griefing, and make some pretty logical statements about the connection of the griefing to W-Hat, Akela came on the thread and started threatening me with permabanning if I kept up making conspiratorial accusations.”

Well, I think what sounds logical and pointed to you, ends up sounding crazy and accusatory to everyone else. All I know is that everytime you get banned or almost get banned from a forum, it’s not because of your claims of being “too logical, or hitting to close to home” it’s because you went around insulting people and accusing them of wild conspiracy theories.

]]> By: The AvaStar http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39146 The AvaStar Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:48:04 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39146 The correct version of the AvaStar is now back online at www.the-avastar.com We apologise for the inconvenience caused by a technical problem with the server that led to some people seeing photos and texts that were only intended for internal use bythe AvaStar. However, we believe in transparency, and are happy that you can see how we have been developing the newspaper with the editorial staff over the last few weeks. The dummy version that went for a few hours online was an experimental version produced by our staff as we were in the process of developing the newspaper for Second Life.You could see by comparing the two that we have experimented with different graphic layouts, design and formats. It is a process a professional newspaper has to go through, in order to ensure that the end product is right, particularly given the uniqueness of the virtual world. We hope you enjoy reading it and look forward to receiving your feedback. Wishing you a merry Christmas in SL, Your AvaStar Team The correct version of the AvaStar is now back online at http://www.the-avastar.com

We apologise for the inconvenience caused by a technical problem with the server that led to some people seeing photos and texts that were only intended for internal use bythe AvaStar.

However, we believe in transparency, and are happy that you can see how we have been developing the newspaper with the editorial staff over the last few weeks.

The dummy version that went for a few hours online was an experimental version produced by our staff as we were in the process of developing the newspaper for Second Life.You could see by comparing the two that we have experimented with different graphic layouts, design and formats. It is a process a professional newspaper has to go through, in order to ensure that the end product is right, particularly given the uniqueness of the virtual world.

We hope you enjoy reading it and look forward to receiving your feedback.

Wishing you a merry Christmas in SL,
Your
AvaStar Team

]]> By: Sunshine Cant http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39145 Sunshine Cant Sun, 24 Dec 2006 06:52:41 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39145 Spelling mistakes - here's a good one: "Is the new Axcel Springer-owned Tabloid AvaStar ripping content from other Second Life News Sources?" I thought he was called Axel not Axcel? Spelling mistakes – here’s a good one:

“Is the new Axcel Springer-owned Tabloid AvaStar ripping content from other Second Life News Sources?”

I thought he was called Axel not Axcel?

]]> By: Cheri Horton http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39144 Cheri Horton Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:00:54 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39144 *off *off

]]> By: Cheri Horton http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39143 Cheri Horton Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:59:45 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39143 AvaStar ripped of one of my pictures! I explain it all here: http://www.slpixelpulse.com/2006/12/23/avastar-rips-off-my-photo/ AvaStar ripped of one of my pictures!

I explain it all here:
http://www.slpixelpulse.com/2006/12/23/avastar-rips-off-my-photo/

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39142 Urizenus Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:34:17 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39142 They will have to start giving it away for sure, given that M2 is free. But presumably the biz model has nothing to do with making money now, and maybe not for years to come. This isn't costing Axel Springer much in real world capital. What, say 20K US for the island plus maintenance, pay a few people to run the thing, which will generate stories that they can run in Bild back in germany. This could very well be written off as some cheap R&D. It's a reasonably smart move if you don't mind dropping up to 100K US a year (which isn't much but is what I imagine their losses will be when you figure in everything). They will have to start giving it away for sure, given that M2 is free. But presumably the biz model has nothing to do with making money now, and maybe not for years to come. This isn’t costing Axel Springer much in real world capital. What, say 20K US for the island plus maintenance, pay a few people to run the thing, which will generate stories that they can run in Bild back in germany. This could very well be written off as some cheap R&D. It’s a reasonably smart move if you don’t mind dropping up to 100K US a year (which isn’t much but is what I imagine their losses will be when you figure in everything).

]]> By: Ordinal Malaprop http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39141 Ordinal Malaprop Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:11:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39141 I'm just a little puzzled as to their business model, personally. I mean... nobody's going to pay L$150 for a copy of a bloody paper, you could get an actual <i>product</i> for that. For god's sake, you can get RL tabloids cheaper. And that would be even if people couldn't read other blogs with just as much ease as reading the Ava(star|tard|whatever), which they can. I’m just a little puzzled as to their business model, personally. I mean… nobody’s going to pay L$150 for a copy of a bloody paper, you could get an actual product for that. For god’s sake, you can get RL tabloids cheaper. And that would be even if people couldn’t read other blogs with just as much ease as reading the Ava(star|tard|whatever), which they can.

]]> By: Urizenus http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39140 Urizenus Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:11:45 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39140 Well, this is a point that I've argued with Petey about for weeks now and no doubt we will still be arguing about it years from now, but the way I see it, the debate comes down to this: *They* think we are delusional to take SL seriously. *We* think they are sociopaths for denying an obvious social reality or perhaps pretending to deny it as a pretext for acting out in a hurtful and destructive way. But don't go to the Blingsider for that analysis, they would rather show the march of the penises in their top story. As long as you don't criticize anyone or provide analysis when you celebrate the griefing, it is A.O.K. in Aimee's book. Well, this is a point that I’ve argued with Petey about for weeks now and no doubt we will still be arguing about it years from now, but the way I see it, the debate comes down to this:

*They* think we are delusional to take SL seriously.

*We* think they are sociopaths for denying an obvious social reality or perhaps pretending to deny it as a pretext for acting out in a hurtful and destructive way.

But don’t go to the Blingsider for that analysis, they would rather show the march of the penises in their top story. As long as you don’t criticize anyone or provide analysis when you celebrate the griefing, it is A.O.K. in Aimee’s book.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39139 Prokofy Neva Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:04:51 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39139 And what I mean "went in a worse direction" than appearing to celebrate griefing -- when I began to ask some pointed questions about this griefing, and make some pretty logical statements about the connection of the griefing to W-Hat, Akela came on the thread and started threatening me with permabanning if I kept up making conspiratorial accusations. My accusations aren't "conspiratorial" but based on long and careful documentation. There's a group. They plan and execute griefing episodes, small and large. To say they are a group of fun kids with only a few bad eggs is to be bluffed by their propaganda arms. And what I mean “went in a worse direction” than appearing to celebrate griefing — when I began to ask some pointed questions about this griefing, and make some pretty logical statements about the connection of the griefing to W-Hat, Akela came on the thread and started threatening me with permabanning if I kept up making conspiratorial accusations.

My accusations aren’t “conspiratorial” but based on long and careful documentation. There’s a group. They plan and execute griefing episodes, small and large. To say they are a group of fun kids with only a few bad eggs is to be bluffed by their propaganda arms.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/avatard_launche.html/comment-page-1#comment-39138 Prokofy Neva Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:01:50 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1654#comment-39138 BTW, the Blingsider went in an even worse direction. In that thread, I indentified the griefer of the Anshe press conference as Plastic Duck's latest alt. I also called to task the maker of the machinima from the "Safari" group which is yet another W-HAT spinoff. I asked aloud the question of how Petey was able to get word of this event's griefing with such lightning speed. Within seconds of the making of this grief account, Petey had the word to go film those rubbery pink penises trotting across the landscape. While not closed to the public, the CNET interview wasn't on the events calendar. You would have to have had an invitation to come to it, as a journalist. I don't know if W-Hat's Safari crew is on GreeterDan (CNET's) press list, but I simply find it far-fetched that Safari would go cover a boring Anshe press conference and come prepared to make a machinima of it UNLESS they had some prior knowledge or close networking with the griefers. I'd like to know how that mechanism works. When a terrorist act is filmed so carefully, these questions are always asked by law-enforcement. Like, when the Russian government just "happens" to have a journalist on the scene when some Chechen warlords "just happen" to cut off the heads of British telecom engineers, well...who did they know, when did they know, when did they know it? These are legitimate public questions to ask. I also pointed out that Safari is basically the PR arm of W-Hat, not some innovative little start-up machinima company. I know Uri enjoys their seemingly "expert" satire (I find marching pink penises to be overdone as a genre in Second Life, myself) -- but surely Uri would concede that this is not some group *unrelated* to W-hat and somehow not then implicated in the griefing. They've also let us know, time and again, that they don't care how people feel; they think it's fine to shock and harass people because they view it as "just a video game" and they think it's their right not merely to make people think (with good social satire) but to bludgeon them with terrorist acts to make them act horrified and shocked and then film and ridicule the results (bad social satire -- actually, no, a TOS offense?) BTW, the Blingsider went in an even worse direction. In that thread, I indentified the griefer of the Anshe press conference as Plastic Duck’s latest alt. I also called to task the maker of the machinima from the “Safari” group which is yet another W-HAT spinoff. I asked aloud the question of how Petey was able to get word of this event’s griefing with such lightning speed. Within seconds of the making of this grief account, Petey had the word to go film those rubbery pink penises trotting across the landscape. While not closed to the public, the CNET interview wasn’t on the events calendar. You would have to have had an invitation to come to it, as a journalist. I don’t know if W-Hat’s Safari crew is on GreeterDan (CNET’s) press list, but I simply find it far-fetched that Safari would go cover a boring Anshe press conference and come prepared to make a machinima of it UNLESS they had some prior knowledge or close networking with the griefers.

I’d like to know how that mechanism works. When a terrorist act is filmed so carefully, these questions are always asked by law-enforcement. Like, when the Russian government just “happens” to have a journalist on the scene when some Chechen warlords “just happen” to cut off the heads of British telecom engineers, well…who did they know, when did they know, when did they know it?

These are legitimate public questions to ask.

I also pointed out that Safari is basically the PR arm of W-Hat, not some innovative little start-up machinima company. I know Uri enjoys their seemingly “expert” satire (I find marching pink penises to be overdone as a genre in Second Life, myself) — but surely Uri would concede that this is not some group *unrelated* to W-hat and somehow not then implicated in the griefing. They’ve also let us know, time and again, that they don’t care how people feel; they think it’s fine to shock and harass people because they view it as “just a video game” and they think it’s their right not merely to make people think (with good social satire) but to bludgeon them with terrorist acts to make them act horrified and shocked and then film and ridicule the results (bad social satire — actually, no, a TOS offense?)

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