One got Second Life married, that was pretty funny. Mlinshi Suicide, I think that’s how it’s spelled, don’t know. Anyways, yeah, total non-event for all the hype.

Bunches came and wandered around but had the same problems everybody does. It lagged, it crashed, stuff autoreturned and they couldn’t figure out how the hell it did that, etc. Bunches never even appeared to ever log on, like someone signed up a whole list. Today, look and see if any are online — not.

A Linden whose name escapes me now was trying to make a career on this — Wilder? something. And did he/she? I don’t think.

Now, I keep talking about this news with all kinds of people, and from what I gather, there will be some kind of community coming in, rather like Suicide Girls, let’s say, or Pontiac lovers or whatever. A pre-existing Internet-based community — but not a world like Multiverse (or so it seems). But then, they’ll make a world, and a world that will likely be separate from the rest of the grid, either on hidden islands, or whatever.

Furthermore, I’m getting the distinct impression of a new kind of tap dance here.

I could take some of the networks I belong to and contribute to in RL and suddenly cry, “I’m bringing in 30,000 people to SL”. What that might mean is doing something like have one of the organizations I work with suddenly declare that they’ll give a free SL membership or free SL help or whatever to whomever responds to their offer. So my offer to my networks of 10,000 or 30,000 that says, “Come talk to me in SL on an avatar” will be feted and hyped as “me bringing in my social network of 30,000 to SL”. It’s all pretty fake, though, as 90 percent of these people won’t come. Remember the Suicide Girls? I think a lot of them did…commit suicide out of SL, I mean. SLuicide lol?

Anyway, I look forward to others posting what they know about all this. I keep hearing fierce arguments about whether the Lindens can or cannot offer something separate from their central asset server. I don’t quite get why there can’t be TWO central asset servers, one for bozos who pay nothing or $9.95, and others who pay $995. This is said by some to be “kludgy”. Comments?

“The idea that only you get to decide whether/how the conversation continues is very typical of your blind arrogance.”

I’m not deciding anything for anyone, nor have I the power to control anyone’s actions. I speak for myself only and said as much. That you can’t figure it out and spin it in the worst way is arguably sad.

I think this Christmas I’ll donate to a mental health institution.

Cheers to everyone else.

People who love to describe something evil or even faintly malicious and who even applaud it at some level do make my stomach turn, yes.

There’s always nefarious intent with you, csven, because you can never have a debate, as soon as someone criticizes you, you have to a) question their intelligence; b) make cynical, snotty remarks about them c) drag in their profession and try to contrast the ideals of their profession with your imagined, hysterical view of their behaviour on a forum; d) find about 10 other ways to insult them e) never address the point. I’ve seen so many repetitions of this with you on Clickable Culture, and if I were alone in getting this treatment, I might feel persecuted, but as you do it to others — and they get mad at you — then I realize, um, it’s not my problem.

The idea that only you get to decide whether/how the conversation continues is very typical of your blind arrogance.

It’s never enough. You could agree with csven, you could point out that his post is “fascinating” and “looks prophetic,” but finding fault with some piece of it sends him into a foaming rage of word-salad tossing.

“csven is looking merely to the technical side of it”

is wrong… as in Not Correct. As in, you apparently can’t read with comprehension. As in, you don’t read minds, so stop pretending as if you do.

Everyone else can probably figure out that I’m looking at it from the social side and from *that* I’m deriving other elements. ‘Nuf said.

“you applaud technical brilliance and note the social manipulation involved on playing on people’s insecurities”

Once again, you mischaracterize another person’s words by running it through the “Prokofy Discombobulation Translation” routine or whatever it is you use to get it all wrong. Oh well.

“but you then proceed not to condemn them”

I don’t condemn people on speculation, Prok. That’s your game, isn’t it?

“your appreciation of this on “some” levels reveals your hand”

What hand is that, Prok? Is it something new you didn’t post in that wonderfully moronic entry about me? Is there some new facet that will warrant another silly post? Please do post something new. I get such a good laugh at your willing expense.

“The problem with you, csven, is you resist, kicking and screaming, any translator who translates what you mean, along with what you say.”

And the problem that I perceive with you is that you apparently believe you’re a translator. Based on what I’ve read, I have my doubts. I rarely see you get English-to-English correct so how the hell could you possibly deal with more languages? Consequently, I don’t think you’re really a translator at all. I suspect it’s the occupation you’d like to have, but don’t really have.

“and literalize and word-salad it to death”

*Someone* has to get the translation correct, Prok. You can’t seem to manage.

“then refused to follow up on the social and moral consequences”

Refused? Please point to where someone asked me to provide that additional commentary?

You’re supposedly a translator, so why can’t use use the proper language? What I think you’re trying to communicate is that I *neglected* to follow up. Perhaps. But lack of interest should not be confused (as you’re doing) with some nefarious intent.

“quiet appreciation and hushed enthusiasm”

Quiet appreciation would negate posting about it; as would hushed enthusiasm. That you didn’t bother to pay attention to what I wrote is your issue and no one elses. And characterizing my attitude based on your ignorance is… well… pretty stupid, imo. Again, par for the course.

So, I’m done here. A worthwhile exchange would have been nice, but given that Prok would be involved, probably futile. Consequently, any more time here is a waste of time for me.

There’s nothing “incorrect” about what I said. I called you on your approach — which is that you applaud technical brilliance and note the social manipulation involved on playing on people’s insecurities, but you then proceed not to condemn them, as you are enamoured by the technical brilliance. So I come along and say that, no, that is socially and politically and morally reprehensible, if the Lindens and their pals have done this, and your appreciation of this on “some” levels reveals your hand.

A situation where the Lindens would count on some customers perennially being in the dark about their motives and agenda *is* a long beta. You may not see it as such; you’ve exposed it as such by your remarks. The problem with you, csven, is you resist, kicking and screaming, any translator who translates what you mean, along with what you say. You’d always like to sneak out of it and literalize and word-salad it to death, and not take consequences for your actual statements. You’ve articulated a series of premises about bad faith on the part of these coders, then refused to follow up on the social and moral consequences — that’s what I mean by the golf-clapping — quiet appreciation and hushed enthusiasm.