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	<title>Comments on: The Unthinkable Happens:  People Start Hating on Torley</title>
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		<title>By: Seola Sassoon a.k.a Random Writer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39228</link>
		<dc:creator>Seola Sassoon a.k.a Random Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torley, see those repros in the face of LL corporate silence ARE what people want to know, but they also want followups on what&#039;s being done to fix it.  Many who see the repro can come up with workarounds til it does get fixed.  However, some serious issues that are repro on command are still broken months later.

Unfortunately as well, many times, people who cannot repro on command are largely ignored.

I&#039;m sure you IM people.  But that&#039;s behind closed doors, the issue is what&#039;s put out there for EVERYONE to see.  When you IM what you see, why not make a note of it, and put up a blog post once in a while on ALL the things you could repro and intended fixes?  Sure, you may not know how the fix works, but since you are somewhat the PR go to person, a small post on the face of the blog about all these issues can go along way.

And I&#039;m sure it WOULD be different treatment.  It would mean that those who don&#039;t wanna see goofy remarks when they&#039;ve lost items/work/etc. would know that you&#039;re more than a mouthpiece, but actually getting answers from other Lindens.  (I know you&#039;ve done this occasionally, but not as much as the happy posts.)

Hey, I can&#039;t fault that you try to be silly.  I&#039;m the one who started singing 99 bottles of beer on the wall in the blog and made up silly songs to calm the &quot;room&quot;.  Yeah, it was off topic, but it saved everyone posting &quot;OMG THE WORLD HAS ENDED!!&quot;.  The difference is, I&#039;m not a Linden.

And frankly, probably you&#039;re giving out most of the info that LL gives to you and leaving you to deal with the aftermath.  Like IMing Beast or Kona for inventory loss... well I IM&#039;ed both, took 2 weeks for Kona to get on my account... and even after that, I didn&#039;t even get a cordial kick in the ass with saying &#039;your stuff is lost, sorry&#039;.  In fact, I got NO word on what was done to my account or if my items could be recovered.

Many others still haven&#039;t heard from them.  While it&#039;s LL&#039;s fault for putting this on two people, and it&#039;s thier fault for not following up... you still give out that info and that puts YOU under the neck hack off thing.  (Guillotine sp?.)

Is it fair?  Probably not, but it&#039;s human nature.  Blame the messenger.  And if the messenger delivers bad news in a happy way, people usually want to shoot the messenger.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torley, see those repros in the face of LL corporate silence ARE what people want to know, but they also want followups on what&#8217;s being done to fix it.  Many who see the repro can come up with workarounds til it does get fixed.  However, some serious issues that are repro on command are still broken months later.</p>
<p>Unfortunately as well, many times, people who cannot repro on command are largely ignored.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you IM people.  But that&#8217;s behind closed doors, the issue is what&#8217;s put out there for EVERYONE to see.  When you IM what you see, why not make a note of it, and put up a blog post once in a while on ALL the things you could repro and intended fixes?  Sure, you may not know how the fix works, but since you are somewhat the PR go to person, a small post on the face of the blog about all these issues can go along way.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure it WOULD be different treatment.  It would mean that those who don&#8217;t wanna see goofy remarks when they&#8217;ve lost items/work/etc. would know that you&#8217;re more than a mouthpiece, but actually getting answers from other Lindens.  (I know you&#8217;ve done this occasionally, but not as much as the happy posts.)</p>
<p>Hey, I can&#8217;t fault that you try to be silly.  I&#8217;m the one who started singing 99 bottles of beer on the wall in the blog and made up silly songs to calm the &#8220;room&#8221;.  Yeah, it was off topic, but it saved everyone posting &#8220;OMG THE WORLD HAS ENDED!!&#8221;.  The difference is, I&#8217;m not a Linden.</p>
<p>And frankly, probably you&#8217;re giving out most of the info that LL gives to you and leaving you to deal with the aftermath.  Like IMing Beast or Kona for inventory loss&#8230; well I IM&#8217;ed both, took 2 weeks for Kona to get on my account&#8230; and even after that, I didn&#8217;t even get a cordial kick in the ass with saying &#8216;your stuff is lost, sorry&#8217;.  In fact, I got NO word on what was done to my account or if my items could be recovered.</p>
<p>Many others still haven&#8217;t heard from them.  While it&#8217;s LL&#8217;s fault for putting this on two people, and it&#8217;s thier fault for not following up&#8230; you still give out that info and that puts YOU under the neck hack off thing.  (Guillotine sp?.)</p>
<p>Is it fair?  Probably not, but it&#8217;s human nature.  Blame the messenger.  And if the messenger delivers bad news in a happy way, people usually want to shoot the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39227</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*hot* coffee!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*hot* coffee!</p>
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		<title>By: Lordfly Digeridoo</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39226</link>
		<dc:creator>Lordfly Digeridoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have &quot;coffee&quot; at the &#039;vu? ;)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have &#8220;coffee&#8221; at the &#8216;vu? <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39225</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely, I&#039;m at the &#039;Vu every day anyway. ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, I&#8217;m at the &#8216;Vu every day anyway. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lordfly Digeridoo</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39224</link>
		<dc:creator>Lordfly Digeridoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to grab some coffee sometime, Uri.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to grab some coffee sometime, Uri.</p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39223</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lordfly says:

&gt;I absolutely loathe, above all things, to be told what I can say, especially if it&#039;s a critical view

hehe, that&#039;s how we roll in Michigan!  Woot!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lordfly says:</p>
<p>>I absolutely loathe, above all things, to be told what I can say, especially if it&#8217;s a critical view</p>
<p>hehe, that&#8217;s how we roll in Michigan!  Woot!</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39222</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2006/07/the_helping_ind.html
Somehow I&#039;m not seeing the screenshot of this but I&#039;ll dig it up, I have it.
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Somehow I&#8217;m not seeing the screenshot of this but I&#8217;ll dig it up, I have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39221</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;So... how come I haven&#039;t seen an article about that sign in one of our lively SL newsrags?

I blogged about it and had a picture ages ago on my home blog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>So&#8230; how come I haven&#8217;t seen an article about that sign in one of our lively SL newsrags?</p>
<p>I blogged about it and had a picture ages ago on my home blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39220</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Oh, Prok, F1 doesn&#039;t work for me. I&#039;m on an Ibook G4. What now?

Ask Tateru et. al. they are the experts on these matters. I just work here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Oh, Prok, F1 doesn&#8217;t work for me. I&#8217;m on an Ibook G4. What now?</p>
<p>Ask Tateru et. al. they are the experts on these matters. I just work here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lordfly Digeridoo</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2006/12/the_unthinkable.html/comment-page-1#comment-39219</link>
		<dc:creator>Lordfly Digeridoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, I&#039;ve hit the Herald.

&lt;i&gt; Finally, is this really Lordfly/Josh Millionsofus&#039; personal opinion, or as a Millions of Us employee is he saying something on the corporation&#039;s mind? I wonder. &lt;/i&gt;

Who I work for and my personal blog are, for all intents and purposes, separate. My opinions do not necessarily follow the opinions of my employers, etc etc.

That being said, I absolutely loathe, above all things, to be told what I can say, especially if it&#039;s a critical view. I had a back-and-forth with another respected member of the community, while he was attempting to browbeat me for my criticisms, however harshly worded they may be. His reasoning was that, since my employer (and hence myself) have a &quot;business relationship&quot; with LL, than I should be dancing around the bush and trying to criticize as lightly and as fluffily as possible.

Well, that&#039;s ridiculous. By that logic everyone on the grid should never complain about LL&#039;s tactics as a company, lest we tarnish business relationships.

My work and my private life are separate, and always will be. Whitewashing your opinions so corporate clients don&#039;t get their heads rattled is a scary mindset to have.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, I&#8217;ve hit the Herald.</p>
<p><i> Finally, is this really Lordfly/Josh Millionsofus&#8217; personal opinion, or as a Millions of Us employee is he saying something on the corporation&#8217;s mind? I wonder. </i></p>
<p>Who I work for and my personal blog are, for all intents and purposes, separate. My opinions do not necessarily follow the opinions of my employers, etc etc.</p>
<p>That being said, I absolutely loathe, above all things, to be told what I can say, especially if it&#8217;s a critical view. I had a back-and-forth with another respected member of the community, while he was attempting to browbeat me for my criticisms, however harshly worded they may be. His reasoning was that, since my employer (and hence myself) have a &#8220;business relationship&#8221; with LL, than I should be dancing around the bush and trying to criticize as lightly and as fluffily as possible.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s ridiculous. By that logic everyone on the grid should never complain about LL&#8217;s tactics as a company, lest we tarnish business relationships.</p>
<p>My work and my private life are separate, and always will be. Whitewashing your opinions so corporate clients don&#8217;t get their heads rattled is a scary mindset to have.</p>
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