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		<title>By: Ombrone</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/01/is_second_life_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-38769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ombrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with the problem stressed by this article, I had already way to speak about that in Terranova Blog.

Virtual worlds are a very good way to do some money laundering, or to evade some tax.

I had myself some experience about that when I was younger and got working for a finance consultantancy firm, so I know something of the business of ast least evading tax officer....

In a Virtual World u can move your money quite fast, thorugh a long chain of ALT, this make quite long to identify clearly the entry and the exit points of the money especially if they are in different countries!

A good investigation is usually able to track down all the flux of the money, the games is being enough fast to be really far with your money in cash, when police arrive to the last ring of the chain.

Of course building up a chain of bank account is usually a not cheap effort... building up a chain of SL account could be easier and and much more convenient.

I do not think however that money laundering or tax evasion in SL is a real problem now, for the simple reason that the financial flux in the game are still too small to be interesting (as someother pointed out: to be smart you cannot move larger than average quantity of money if not is too easy to discover you), so I guess the effort is not worth the money you can save till now.

But SL is growing, fast, and the problem will (not could, it will) arise.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with the problem stressed by this article, I had already way to speak about that in Terranova Blog.</p>
<p>Virtual worlds are a very good way to do some money laundering, or to evade some tax.</p>
<p>I had myself some experience about that when I was younger and got working for a finance consultantancy firm, so I know something of the business of ast least evading tax officer&#8230;.</p>
<p>In a Virtual World u can move your money quite fast, thorugh a long chain of ALT, this make quite long to identify clearly the entry and the exit points of the money especially if they are in different countries!</p>
<p>A good investigation is usually able to track down all the flux of the money, the games is being enough fast to be really far with your money in cash, when police arrive to the last ring of the chain.</p>
<p>Of course building up a chain of bank account is usually a not cheap effort&#8230; building up a chain of SL account could be easier and and much more convenient.</p>
<p>I do not think however that money laundering or tax evasion in SL is a real problem now, for the simple reason that the financial flux in the game are still too small to be interesting (as someother pointed out: to be smart you cannot move larger than average quantity of money if not is too easy to discover you), so I guess the effort is not worth the money you can save till now.</p>
<p>But SL is growing, fast, and the problem will (not could, it will) arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Cocoanut Koala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cocoanut Koala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it didn&#039;t all print.  But just look up Apotheosus&#039; recent comments, and you will find the thread.

coco
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it didn&#8217;t all print.  But just look up Apotheosus&#8217; recent comments, and you will find the thread.</p>
<p>coco</p>
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		<title>By: Cocoanut Koala</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/01/is_second_life_-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-38767</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocoanut Koala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good heavens, you&#039;re right.  I went to the SLExchange forums and found this out for myself.

Here is the link if anyone is interested:

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Forums&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=7537&amp;highlight=

coco
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good heavens, you&#8217;re right.  I went to the SLExchange forums and found this out for myself.</p>
<p>Here is the link if anyone is interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Forums&#038;file=viewtopic&#038;t=7537&#038;highlight" rel="nofollow">http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Forums&#038;file=viewtopic&#038;t=7537&#038;highlight</a>=</p>
<p>coco</p>
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		<title>By: blaze@blaze.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, yeah, has it on the head.    There is a risk arb api that flags transactions and the fact is, if a 3rd party user let those trans go through they lose every last penny.   LL has already taken 1.5 million from SLExchange - no recourse, as reported by Apotheus himself.

And seriously, like LL cares one iota about 3rd party exchanges.   They&#039;d rather they just all curled up and died.

No, I&#039;m sorry, I just don&#039;t see anything on the internet as being viable for money laundering.   Not unless you want to risk losing everything.

That being said, yikes for Philip if some dumb mobster decides to launder and then loses his L$ ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, yeah, has it on the head.    There is a risk arb api that flags transactions and the fact is, if a 3rd party user let those trans go through they lose every last penny.   LL has already taken 1.5 million from SLExchange &#8211; no recourse, as reported by Apotheus himself.</p>
<p>And seriously, like LL cares one iota about 3rd party exchanges.   They&#8217;d rather they just all curled up and died.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m sorry, I just don&#8217;t see anything on the internet as being viable for money laundering.   Not unless you want to risk losing everything.</p>
<p>That being said, yikes for Philip if some dumb mobster decides to launder and then loses his L$ &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blaze@blaze.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze@blaze.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding?  My guess is that the US government would dearly *LOVE* people to use this for money laundering.   Like, one query in the database and you suddenly have the whole gang.

Do you honestly thing that LL hasn&#039;t created a UI for the government to query whenever they want?    Seriously now...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding?  My guess is that the US government would dearly *LOVE* people to use this for money laundering.   Like, one query in the database and you suddenly have the whole gang.</p>
<p>Do you honestly thing that LL hasn&#8217;t created a UI for the government to query whenever they want?    Seriously now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hiro Pendragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiro Pendragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it seems the problem is the whole reliance on fake IDs. I mean, assuming someone has fake identification to the point where a real bank is giving them accounts, there seems to be larger issues at stake than just pushing L$ around.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it seems the problem is the whole reliance on fake IDs. I mean, assuming someone has fake identification to the point where a real bank is giving them accounts, there seems to be larger issues at stake than just pushing L$ around.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is Second Life Being Used for Money Laundering? Could it be?&lt;/strong&gt;

Raph Koster has pointed to a sobering post by Kenneth Rijock, on the World-Check site. World-Check is a site that tracks risks world-wide, and Rijock is an attorney who has a rather interesting resume, to say the least:    He has more tha...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is Second Life Being Used for Money Laundering? Could it be?</strong></p>
<p>Raph Koster has pointed to a sobering post by Kenneth Rijock, on the World-Check site. World-Check is a site that tracks risks world-wide, and Rijock is an attorney who has a rather interesting resume, to say the least:</p>
<p>    He has more tha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, SL, your own reporter has sold off the ANWR prim rig and made a dummy corp with a former rogue State Dept. official hehe:
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/01/drilling_for_li.html

Seriously, I&#039;ve seen this scenario played out a few times with some big wheelers and dealers in Second Life. I&#039;ve watched them do exactly this, and not even be so careful with the alt-main fingerprints.

The problem with this concept is that it is a crazy way to try to move around and liquidate large amounts of money. Large amounts of money ALWAYS come to the attention of the Lindens -- they have built-in alarms for things now and there is no way you can move large amounts off the Lindex, and into the PayPal, without them slowing it down or even stopping it.

It&#039;s also a slow and painful way to take, say, $10,000, and convert it into something. You&#039;d have to first buy the islands and wait for the delivery for weeks. You&#039;d have to sell the islands, developped, or rent them and wait for the proceeds to trickle in. Then you have to go sell your loot on the LindEx, and wait even more for LL to send it to PayPal.

With that long wait and its many filters, why not just go to PayPal itself directly from a business set up on a web page?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, SL, your own reporter has sold off the ANWR prim rig and made a dummy corp with a former rogue State Dept. official hehe:<br />
<a href="http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/01/drilling_for_li.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/01/drilling_for_li.html</a></p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;ve seen this scenario played out a few times with some big wheelers and dealers in Second Life. I&#8217;ve watched them do exactly this, and not even be so careful with the alt-main fingerprints.</p>
<p>The problem with this concept is that it is a crazy way to try to move around and liquidate large amounts of money. Large amounts of money ALWAYS come to the attention of the Lindens &#8212; they have built-in alarms for things now and there is no way you can move large amounts off the Lindex, and into the PayPal, without them slowing it down or even stopping it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a slow and painful way to take, say, $10,000, and convert it into something. You&#8217;d have to first buy the islands and wait for the delivery for weeks. You&#8217;d have to sell the islands, developped, or rent them and wait for the proceeds to trickle in. Then you have to go sell your loot on the LindEx, and wait even more for LL to send it to PayPal.</p>
<p>With that long wait and its many filters, why not just go to PayPal itself directly from a business set up on a web page?</p>
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