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	<title>Comments on: Hard Crash</title>
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		<title>By: Myrrh Massiel</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37095</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrrh Massiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...that was prokofy, talthybius, not me...)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;that was prokofy, talthybius, not me&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37094</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The message from Lindens themselves said that the grid was offline. But if you read their blog later, they said it wasn&#039;t.

If it is inaccessible to more than half the population, can we call it and say it is &quot;offline&quot;?

It still sucks, as you can log on, but not move around or take inventory or do anything but look at SL like a Disney Viewmaster.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message from Lindens themselves said that the grid was offline. But if you read their blog later, they said it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If it is inaccessible to more than half the population, can we call it and say it is &#8220;offline&#8221;?</p>
<p>It still sucks, as you can log on, but not move around or take inventory or do anything but look at SL like a Disney Viewmaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Talthybius Brevity</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37093</link>
		<dc:creator>Talthybius Brevity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myrrh, to me the grid being offline and people not being able to login are not the same thing.  Those of us lucky enough not to suffer a client crash were able to stay logged in and working.  Some XML RPC communications to sites that rely on it were still working too.  If the grid were actually down, offline, hard crashed etc, that would be offline.  (IMO)  This is not to suggest that the situation didn&#039;t totally f**king suck, it did.  :-)

New blog post tells us 15 hours to figure that it was network hardware failing and which particular piece of hardware it was.

I&#039;ve witnessed some difficult network troubleshooting before, but 15 hours to track it down to a failed piece of hardware seems a little extreme, even taking into account relying on upstream providers to do some of the troubleshooting.

Looking forward to getting back to work tonight.  There are stoners waiting for bong upgrades and that&#039;s of dire importance to the world!  ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrrh, to me the grid being offline and people not being able to login are not the same thing.  Those of us lucky enough not to suffer a client crash were able to stay logged in and working.  Some XML RPC communications to sites that rely on it were still working too.  If the grid were actually down, offline, hard crashed etc, that would be offline.  (IMO)  This is not to suggest that the situation didn&#8217;t totally f**king suck, it did.  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>New blog post tells us 15 hours to figure that it was network hardware failing and which particular piece of hardware it was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve witnessed some difficult network troubleshooting before, but 15 hours to track it down to a failed piece of hardware seems a little extreme, even taking into account relying on upstream providers to do some of the troubleshooting.</p>
<p>Looking forward to getting back to work tonight.  There are stoners waiting for bong upgrades and that&#8217;s of dire importance to the world!  <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37092</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &gt;the grid didn&#039;t go offline at 10:50pm SLT last night, it just got really ugly

The website went off line, and most people crashed. You couldn&#039;t get any signal out of SL, so you couldn&#039;t tell whether it was online or offline.

When you attempted to log on, you got the &quot;despite our best efforts&quot; and NO GRID STATUS AT ALL.

Eventually, after about 30 minutes, you could try to dial in, and see 11,000 logged on, mysteriously. Today, for example, the grid seemed to be down for all practical purpose, as the message said &quot;Log-ins limited to Lindens,&quot; but the sign-on figure was 11,000.

The Lindens describe the status updates here:
http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/12/grid-issues-recurred/

They note that the entire website did go offline, but the grid didn&#039;t. However, at the time the story was posted, it was not possible to know this because there was no outside access to SL, even if some people remained logged in.

Gerome, have you never played a game? They often have log-in queues. The more normal games like WoW and The Sims Online or whatever will tell you your log-in-queue wait time. Our game gods just haven&#039;t bothered to do this yet.

Kool-Aide is a very popular spelling of the old trade-mark name &quot;Kool-Aid&quot; and is in the Urban Dictionary and other sources as a variation. And if Jim Jones used Flavor-Aid instead, it&#039;s one of those footnotes in history that is utterly obliterated by later popular accounts (like Jesus&#039; famous &quot;Sermon on the Mount&quot; which was actually given on flat land).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: >the grid didn&#8217;t go offline at 10:50pm SLT last night, it just got really ugly</p>
<p>The website went off line, and most people crashed. You couldn&#8217;t get any signal out of SL, so you couldn&#8217;t tell whether it was online or offline.</p>
<p>When you attempted to log on, you got the &#8220;despite our best efforts&#8221; and NO GRID STATUS AT ALL.</p>
<p>Eventually, after about 30 minutes, you could try to dial in, and see 11,000 logged on, mysteriously. Today, for example, the grid seemed to be down for all practical purpose, as the message said &#8220;Log-ins limited to Lindens,&#8221; but the sign-on figure was 11,000.</p>
<p>The Lindens describe the status updates here:<br />
<a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/12/grid-issues-recurred/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/12/grid-issues-recurred/</a></p>
<p>They note that the entire website did go offline, but the grid didn&#8217;t. However, at the time the story was posted, it was not possible to know this because there was no outside access to SL, even if some people remained logged in.</p>
<p>Gerome, have you never played a game? They often have log-in queues. The more normal games like WoW and The Sims Online or whatever will tell you your log-in-queue wait time. Our game gods just haven&#8217;t bothered to do this yet.</p>
<p>Kool-Aide is a very popular spelling of the old trade-mark name &#8220;Kool-Aid&#8221; and is in the Urban Dictionary and other sources as a variation. And if Jim Jones used Flavor-Aid instead, it&#8217;s one of those footnotes in history that is utterly obliterated by later popular accounts (like Jesus&#8217; famous &#8220;Sermon on the Mount&#8221; which was actually given on flat land).</p>
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		<title>By: Myrrh Massiel</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37091</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrrh Massiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...seriously, herald staff:  kool-aid has no &#039;e&#039;, and the peoples temple used flavor-aid, not kool-aid...
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		<title>By: Talthybius Brevity</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37090</link>
		<dc:creator>Talthybius Brevity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. there were only about 24,000 concurrent logins when the trouble began last night.  Doubtful this is the same load problems we&#039;re so used to since the media found SL.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. there were only about 24,000 concurrent logins when the trouble began last night.  Doubtful this is the same load problems we&#8217;re so used to since the media found SL.</p>
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		<title>By: Talthybius Brevity</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37089</link>
		<dc:creator>Talthybius Brevity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the grid didn&#039;t go offline at 10:50pm SLT last night, it just got really ugly.  I was online and accomplishing things (intermittently and with great frustration) until 2:15am SLT this morning.

What amazes me is that, judging from the official blog posts, it is 15 hours after the problems began and LL seems to thus far have no clue at all what is wrong with their network.

Few are the networks that are crippled or down for 15 hours straight.  Fewer still are the networks that are down and crippled for 15 hours with the Admins still having no clue at all as to what is wrong with their network.

Watch the VCs shiver in fear.

Would be funny if it weren&#039;t so frustrating and sad.

TB
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the grid didn&#8217;t go offline at 10:50pm SLT last night, it just got really ugly.  I was online and accomplishing things (intermittently and with great frustration) until 2:15am SLT this morning.</p>
<p>What amazes me is that, judging from the official blog posts, it is 15 hours after the problems began and LL seems to thus far have no clue at all what is wrong with their network.</p>
<p>Few are the networks that are crippled or down for 15 hours straight.  Fewer still are the networks that are down and crippled for 15 hours with the Admins still having no clue at all as to what is wrong with their network.</p>
<p>Watch the VCs shiver in fear.</p>
<p>Would be funny if it weren&#8217;t so frustrating and sad.</p>
<p>TB</p>
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		<title>By: Gerome Finucane</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37088</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerome Finucane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have now had the terms of service explained to me: we charge you what we said we would, we provide you the service that we are capable of.  Sound like a strong proposition to me.  Charge what you want, deliver what you feel like.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have now had the terms of service explained to me: we charge you what we said we would, we provide you the service that we are capable of.  Sound like a strong proposition to me.  Charge what you want, deliver what you feel like.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerome Finucane</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37087</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerome Finucane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want an explanation to this one: is is first come first serverd??  Why does any one time out?  Am I really logging into another server besides the one I paid for?  If so, do I have a deal with that owner too??  If not, is the deal with you?  If with you, why does it take hours to log on when your numbers show you logging on thousands while I wait??

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want an explanation to this one: is is first come first serverd??  Why does any one time out?  Am I really logging into another server besides the one I paid for?  If so, do I have a deal with that owner too??  If not, is the deal with you?  If with you, why does it take hours to log on when your numbers show you logging on thousands while I wait??</p>
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		<title>By: Gerome Finucane</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/hard_crash.html/comment-page-1#comment-37086</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerome Finucane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOw at 28668 and still Lindens are not capable of logging in one more person.  What gives?

Would a competent software architect explain how this is possible?


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<p>Would a competent software architect explain how this is possible?</p>
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