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		<title>By: Ozhika</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozhika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be laws against doing things... real, actual, life-based things that involve generating harm. In a culture of personal responsibility (hmmm, perhaps we could develop a sim to that effect, since it&#039;s so hard to find one in RL), a person is always granted the courtesy, dare I say the right, to step back from the brink. To all you people out there who want to leap into people&#039;s minds, to legislate &quot;therapy,&quot; to shape mankind with laws rather than to merely threaten them with punishment, I consider you the evil of the Earth. We have given a leg-up to the mind-controllers, the &quot;intent&quot; readers, and have decided that it&#039;s not enough, not important, to know ourselves. What price freedom? The answer is... Others.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be laws against doing things&#8230; real, actual, life-based things that involve generating harm. In a culture of personal responsibility (hmmm, perhaps we could develop a sim to that effect, since it&#8217;s so hard to find one in RL), a person is always granted the courtesy, dare I say the right, to step back from the brink. To all you people out there who want to leap into people&#8217;s minds, to legislate &#8220;therapy,&#8221; to shape mankind with laws rather than to merely threaten them with punishment, I consider you the evil of the Earth. We have given a leg-up to the mind-controllers, the &#8220;intent&#8221; readers, and have decided that it&#8217;s not enough, not important, to know ourselves. What price freedom? The answer is&#8230; Others.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36614</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more defending people&#039;s rights to do what they want with their virtual lives, I think Ageplay is pretty nasty, but so is a bunch of other stuff and I don&#039;t have any right to say this or that, because despite whatever &quot;exploited children&quot; definition you pulled up, the American legal definition of child pornography does not include fictional child pornography.

Anyways, LL already reacted on the sexual Ageplayers defining them as &quot;broadly offensive&quot;, and have made it so they basically have to operate in secret by ToS (with that recent anouncement) and can&#039;t advertise in any way, shape, or form. (out of sight, out of mind)  But LL didn&#039;t necessarily NEED to do that, certainly the government couldn&#039;t do shit to them, maybe it&#039;d get them bad press, but what does that even mean, even the Nintendo DS got bad press as a &quot;Gateway to child molestors&quot;.  Would probably get a spike in users from it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more defending people&#8217;s rights to do what they want with their virtual lives, I think Ageplay is pretty nasty, but so is a bunch of other stuff and I don&#8217;t have any right to say this or that, because despite whatever &#8220;exploited children&#8221; definition you pulled up, the American legal definition of child pornography does not include fictional child pornography.</p>
<p>Anyways, LL already reacted on the sexual Ageplayers defining them as &#8220;broadly offensive&#8221;, and have made it so they basically have to operate in secret by ToS (with that recent anouncement) and can&#8217;t advertise in any way, shape, or form. (out of sight, out of mind)  But LL didn&#8217;t necessarily NEED to do that, certainly the government couldn&#8217;t do shit to them, maybe it&#8217;d get them bad press, but what does that even mean, even the Nintendo DS got bad press as a &#8220;Gateway to child molestors&#8221;.  Would probably get a spike in users from it.</p>
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		<title>By: MannyM</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36613</link>
		<dc:creator>MannyM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The content that I posted clearly states that there generally needs to be a period of stress or boredom for the shift in psychology and behaviour from passive to active offending. The same goes for violence, drug abuse and suicide. When people go pop its just a matter of how.

Personally, how ever, I just find the thought of supporting men who wank over images of what they would like to do with young children, while hiding behind some shaky (and to many non US people flaky) US interpretations of the law quite gut wrenching - but that&#039;s just me. Some people tend to think that if their family is not at risk then there is no issue.


Lets now get a little more pragmatic from Linden Lab&#039;s point of view.

They are in business to make money and despite a few glitches give a reasonable service quite cheaply.

Part of that service is a net work of servers on which is held all of the content created in secondlife - from a basic box prim to a video of people playing happily.

Lets see how the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children defines Child Pornography:

&quot;What Is Child Pornography?
Under federal law, child pornography1 is defined as a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, photograph, film, video, or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where it

depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or
depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.2 &quot;

http://www.cybertipline.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&amp;PageId=2451

Now this is a rather small snip out of a rather large article.Before you reply I suggest that you study the whole article and look into some of the reference material. I would suggest that this organisation is already barking up the Second Life Tree.

The point that I would like to make is that the line between Linden Labs not getting their servers investigated and getting their servers investigated - which would effectivley close Second Life down for months - is only a very fine interpretation of Fedreal and state laws or one incident where a criminal investigation leads back to Second Life.

The results of course would be disastrous. Kind of like Planet Earth being hit by a meteorite to dumb it down a bit.

Now rather than defend the rights of a few extremists, let&#039;s play it safe for all concerned and go with the flow a bit.

All we have to lose is asome leisure time and in the case of land barons and SL business people a few thousand dollars.

Phil, and his team, stand to lose their livelihood and Executives could end up with criminal convictions. Teen grid of course would be stuffed.

Even if criminal law did not get him, a nice civil suit could break Phil and the more succesful he becomes the much jucier a target he is. And Amazon? we would all like a hare of their reserves.

Second Life belongs to the owners of Linden Labs not the members. Its their Sand Box. Play by their rules or find a new sand box to play in.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The content that I posted clearly states that there generally needs to be a period of stress or boredom for the shift in psychology and behaviour from passive to active offending. The same goes for violence, drug abuse and suicide. When people go pop its just a matter of how.</p>
<p>Personally, how ever, I just find the thought of supporting men who wank over images of what they would like to do with young children, while hiding behind some shaky (and to many non US people flaky) US interpretations of the law quite gut wrenching &#8211; but that&#8217;s just me. Some people tend to think that if their family is not at risk then there is no issue.</p>
<p>Lets now get a little more pragmatic from Linden Lab&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>They are in business to make money and despite a few glitches give a reasonable service quite cheaply.</p>
<p>Part of that service is a net work of servers on which is held all of the content created in secondlife &#8211; from a basic box prim to a video of people playing happily.</p>
<p>Lets see how the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children defines Child Pornography:</p>
<p>&#8220;What Is Child Pornography?<br />
Under federal law, child pornography1 is defined as a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, photograph, film, video, or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where it</p>
<p>depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or<br />
depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.2 &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cybertipline.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&#038;PageId=2451" rel="nofollow">http://www.cybertipline.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&#038;PageId=2451</a></p>
<p>Now this is a rather small snip out of a rather large article.Before you reply I suggest that you study the whole article and look into some of the reference material. I would suggest that this organisation is already barking up the Second Life Tree.</p>
<p>The point that I would like to make is that the line between Linden Labs not getting their servers investigated and getting their servers investigated &#8211; which would effectivley close Second Life down for months &#8211; is only a very fine interpretation of Fedreal and state laws or one incident where a criminal investigation leads back to Second Life.</p>
<p>The results of course would be disastrous. Kind of like Planet Earth being hit by a meteorite to dumb it down a bit.</p>
<p>Now rather than defend the rights of a few extremists, let&#8217;s play it safe for all concerned and go with the flow a bit.</p>
<p>All we have to lose is asome leisure time and in the case of land barons and SL business people a few thousand dollars.</p>
<p>Phil, and his team, stand to lose their livelihood and Executives could end up with criminal convictions. Teen grid of course would be stuffed.</p>
<p>Even if criminal law did not get him, a nice civil suit could break Phil and the more succesful he becomes the much jucier a target he is. And Amazon? we would all like a hare of their reserves.</p>
<p>Second Life belongs to the owners of Linden Labs not the members. Its their Sand Box. Play by their rules or find a new sand box to play in.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36612</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same thing that you could apply to violent media though, the movement from stage 1 to stage 2 is the heart of the argument.  People like violent movies and games but they don&#039;t go out and kill people, therefore it doesn&#039;t seem like a large jump in logic to say that someone may like child pornography without going out and raping children.  The site lists, as you say two inhibitors, which are fairly large ones that means the person has to be not afraid of getting caught and not afraid of doing something morally wrong.

That&#039;s pretty much the jump it takes for a person to see crime and think about crime to doing it.

I think it&#039;s possible if not probable that sexual media effects people differently than violent media, but i&#039;m not sure if exposure to either removes those inhibitors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same thing that you could apply to violent media though, the movement from stage 1 to stage 2 is the heart of the argument.  People like violent movies and games but they don&#8217;t go out and kill people, therefore it doesn&#8217;t seem like a large jump in logic to say that someone may like child pornography without going out and raping children.  The site lists, as you say two inhibitors, which are fairly large ones that means the person has to be not afraid of getting caught and not afraid of doing something morally wrong.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much the jump it takes for a person to see crime and think about crime to doing it.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s possible if not probable that sexual media effects people differently than violent media, but i&#8217;m not sure if exposure to either removes those inhibitors.</p>
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		<title>By: MannyM</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36611</link>
		<dc:creator>MannyM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/Default.asp

Here is an extract form the Interpol website.

Basically it discusses the progress of a typical peadophile. You can read the whole page but I will cut and paste some.

Profile of a Peadophile
&quot;In general predatory child sex offenders tend to be male, less than average intelligent and are incapable of undertaking any prolonged period of grooming. They generally fit into a stereotypical offender profile, living alone or with a parent, unemployed or in low paid work and unable to form adult relationships.&quot;


Stage 1 - Passive Interest - Sick stuff on its own - next time you see a sexual Age Player Think about this.

&quot;Their cycle of offending is also typical and begins with the basic attraction and sexual arousal by thoughts of children. He (the vast majority are men) will typically be in possession of either child erotica or child pornography with which he will fantasize and masturbate. At this stage he can certainly be described as, and fits the definition of, a paedophile. However, other than possessing child pornography, which is not an offence in many countries, he does not commit any offences. The reason why this type of person does not proceed beyond this stage is as a result of internal and external inhibitors or both.&quot;


Some definitions:

&quot;Internal inhibitors are personal factors which control a persons behavior. The knowledge that it is morally wrong to sexually abuse a child or that sexual activity with a child can seriously damage the mental welfare of his victim in the future.

External inhibitors are far more basic and evolve around the fear of being caught and going to prison linked with the knowledge that their personal lifestyle would be seriously effected if it became public that they were sexually attracted to children.&quot;
The Move from Passive to Active

&quot;Once the internal and external inhibitors have been removed, possible by a period of stress or boredom then the peadophile moves into the cycle of offending. He begins by going out to places where children frequent, a play park or swimming pool for example.&quot;

Read on from the rest of the article - about the move to hooking up with a vulnerable family unit - ingratiating them selves with the mother and grooming the kids. Wow - if a Sexual Age play was to suddenly meet a single mother on Second Life....

Well thats just fantasy because as we know Real Life does not exist.

My concluding Question?

Now pixelated erotica and sexual role play in Second Life - how does this fit into the equation? I dunno ask Interpol


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<p>Here is an extract form the Interpol website.</p>
<p>Basically it discusses the progress of a typical peadophile. You can read the whole page but I will cut and paste some.</p>
<p>Profile of a Peadophile<br />
&#8220;In general predatory child sex offenders tend to be male, less than average intelligent and are incapable of undertaking any prolonged period of grooming. They generally fit into a stereotypical offender profile, living alone or with a parent, unemployed or in low paid work and unable to form adult relationships.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stage 1 &#8211; Passive Interest &#8211; Sick stuff on its own &#8211; next time you see a sexual Age Player Think about this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Their cycle of offending is also typical and begins with the basic attraction and sexual arousal by thoughts of children. He (the vast majority are men) will typically be in possession of either child erotica or child pornography with which he will fantasize and masturbate. At this stage he can certainly be described as, and fits the definition of, a paedophile. However, other than possessing child pornography, which is not an offence in many countries, he does not commit any offences. The reason why this type of person does not proceed beyond this stage is as a result of internal and external inhibitors or both.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some definitions:</p>
<p>&#8220;Internal inhibitors are personal factors which control a persons behavior. The knowledge that it is morally wrong to sexually abuse a child or that sexual activity with a child can seriously damage the mental welfare of his victim in the future.</p>
<p>External inhibitors are far more basic and evolve around the fear of being caught and going to prison linked with the knowledge that their personal lifestyle would be seriously effected if it became public that they were sexually attracted to children.&#8221;<br />
The Move from Passive to Active</p>
<p>&#8220;Once the internal and external inhibitors have been removed, possible by a period of stress or boredom then the peadophile moves into the cycle of offending. He begins by going out to places where children frequent, a play park or swimming pool for example.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read on from the rest of the article &#8211; about the move to hooking up with a vulnerable family unit &#8211; ingratiating them selves with the mother and grooming the kids. Wow &#8211; if a Sexual Age play was to suddenly meet a single mother on Second Life&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well thats just fantasy because as we know Real Life does not exist.</p>
<p>My concluding Question?</p>
<p>Now pixelated erotica and sexual role play in Second Life &#8211; how does this fit into the equation? I dunno ask Interpol</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36610</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I think we should just live and let live until their is solid proof that someone in real underage is getting hurt from this. TY -- Loves to RP&lt;

&quot;The wise man has seen the catastrophe in advance... and avoided it.&quot;

The above advice sounds like a city street planner who waits until three people are killed at an intersection before figuring out that yes, like everyone already knew, we needed a street light there.

It&#039;s possible to look at something, use common sense to examine it, and say, &quot;Hey, this can&#039;t be good.&quot;

As some respectful advice to several:  I&#039;ve heard a few people say, &quot;Hey, I do all kinds of dark things on Second Life and I&#039;m just fine.&quot;  With all respect, if you all weren&#039;t fine-- you&#039;d the the last one to realize it.  If I may suggest:  an alternative to engaging in &quot;dark side&quot; activities is to scrutinize yourself and find out why such things appeal to you.

It&#039;s hard for me to believe someone who says, &quot;Hey, I engage in ageplay... but I have no RL desire for pedophelia&quot;.

I have to wonder if that person ever looks him/herself in the mirror and asks for honesty.  Sometimes, it benefits us all to have a serious talk with the person in the mirror.  It&#039;s just like guys who watch martial arts flicks all the time and then tell me they have no violent tendencies.  I have to wonder then, if they have NO violent tendencies, that so much violence appeals to them so much.  I would be more likely to believe that they don&#039;t THINK they have violent tendencies... but are deceiving themselves.  I would suspect that if they were to undergo psyche profile testing... some of those tendencies they think they don&#039;t have would show up.

If we take a delight in &quot;dark side&quot; things... that could well be a dull ember.  That doesn&#039;t mean it will ever be fanned into a flame, but I&#039;ve never seen a balanced, well-adjusted person who enjoyed &quot;playing&quot; at having sex with children.  I&#039;m sorry, but something in there is twisted-- whether they admit it (or know it) or not.  The easiest person in the world to decive-- is ourselves.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I think we should just live and let live until their is solid proof that someone in real underage is getting hurt from this. TY &#8212; Loves to RP<</p>
<p>&#8220;The wise man has seen the catastrophe in advance&#8230; and avoided it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above advice sounds like a city street planner who waits until three people are killed at an intersection before figuring out that yes, like everyone already knew, we needed a street light there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to look at something, use common sense to examine it, and say, &#8220;Hey, this can&#8217;t be good.&#8221;</p>
<p>As some respectful advice to several:  I&#8217;ve heard a few people say, &#8220;Hey, I do all kinds of dark things on Second Life and I&#8217;m just fine.&#8221;  With all respect, if you all weren&#8217;t fine&#8211; you&#8217;d the the last one to realize it.  If I may suggest:  an alternative to engaging in &#8220;dark side&#8221; activities is to scrutinize yourself and find out why such things appeal to you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to believe someone who says, &#8220;Hey, I engage in ageplay&#8230; but I have no RL desire for pedophelia&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have to wonder if that person ever looks him/herself in the mirror and asks for honesty.  Sometimes, it benefits us all to have a serious talk with the person in the mirror.  It&#8217;s just like guys who watch martial arts flicks all the time and then tell me they have no violent tendencies.  I have to wonder then, if they have NO violent tendencies, that so much violence appeals to them so much.  I would be more likely to believe that they don&#8217;t THINK they have violent tendencies&#8230; but are deceiving themselves.  I would suspect that if they were to undergo psyche profile testing&#8230; some of those tendencies they think they don&#8217;t have would show up.</p>
<p>If we take a delight in &#8220;dark side&#8221; things&#8230; that could well be a dull ember.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it will ever be fanned into a flame, but I&#8217;ve never seen a balanced, well-adjusted person who enjoyed &#8220;playing&#8221; at having sex with children.  I&#8217;m sorry, but something in there is twisted&#8211; whether they admit it (or know it) or not.  The easiest person in the world to decive&#8211; is ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Loves to RP</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36609</link>
		<dc:creator>Loves to RP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sighs, i RP a great many things even ageplay, i found out about it on SL, and i play it on SL.

Will i harm someone in real? Hell no!!!

Most of the time i just enjoy running around like a little kid, but to me i look more like a little midget anyhow.

We should be worrying if midgets are getting pissed lol.
Joking aside, i just see it as a game, i have not, will not and can not see myself doing anything i do in SL in real.

I think people are just looking for a reason to talk and join in on something, thats why so many are so upset, im 26 in real, i do not and can not get out of the house but to go get food from the store.

I think we should just live and let live until their is solid proof that someone in real underage is getting hurt from this. TY
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sighs, i RP a great many things even ageplay, i found out about it on SL, and i play it on SL.</p>
<p>Will i harm someone in real? Hell no!!!</p>
<p>Most of the time i just enjoy running around like a little kid, but to me i look more like a little midget anyhow.</p>
<p>We should be worrying if midgets are getting pissed lol.<br />
Joking aside, i just see it as a game, i have not, will not and can not see myself doing anything i do in SL in real.</p>
<p>I think people are just looking for a reason to talk and join in on something, thats why so many are so upset, im 26 in real, i do not and can not get out of the house but to go get food from the store.</p>
<p>I think we should just live and let live until their is solid proof that someone in real underage is getting hurt from this. TY</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36608</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Pierre.  Uh... you do realize you&#039;re reading an in-depth commentary blog?

If ya don&#039;t like it... well, there&#039;s always television. :D

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Pierre.  Uh&#8230; you do realize you&#8217;re reading an in-depth commentary blog?</p>
<p>If ya don&#8217;t like it&#8230; well, there&#8217;s always television. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36607</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody hell guys, give it a break. Well done on your 15,000 word essays - all very interesting. But seriously, why don&#039;t you just ring each other and discuss it. It would be quicker!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody hell guys, give it a break. Well done on your 15,000 word essays &#8211; all very interesting. But seriously, why don&#8217;t you just ring each other and discuss it. It would be quicker!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/is_ageplay_chil.html/comment-page-2#comment-36606</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;it was to point out that Black and white doesn&#039;t work.  Evil is an absolute. You&#039;re either evil or you&#039;re not.&lt;

Artemis, I think what we have here is a disagreement as to the basic nature of evil.  I could debate that with you.  We could discuss the Biblical presentation of Satan and point out that he had all kinds of rationalizations for his acts.  We could debate about this until the cows came home... but I do have a real life. LOL.

The above stated viewpoint of evil is your definition.  Many people would disagree.

While I respect your opinions... I also recognize that since you view evil as an absolute and claim there are no absolutes in the universe, only gray areas, it is fruitless for me to spend time in further discussion.  I consider such to be circular logic for which there is no  answer or conclusion.  Evil is absolute, and since there can&#039;t be absolutes, there can&#039;t be evil.  Very convenient logic-- but highly debatable, to say the least. (And no, I won&#039;t waste time discussing whether or not it&#039;s actually circular logic either. LOL).

I respect you have your opinions of these things.  I strongly disagree with your opinions.  I still believe that Hitler was evil... and that there have been and are evil people on the face of this planet.  I believe in good and evil-- and shades in between.  You&#039;ve been generally respectful in this discussion... so I respectfully continue to disagree and choose to save us both additional time by politely bowing out of further discussion.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>it was to point out that Black and white doesn&#8217;t work.  Evil is an absolute. You&#8217;re either evil or you&#8217;re not.<</p>
<p>Artemis, I think what we have here is a disagreement as to the basic nature of evil.  I could debate that with you.  We could discuss the Biblical presentation of Satan and point out that he had all kinds of rationalizations for his acts.  We could debate about this until the cows came home&#8230; but I do have a real life. LOL.</p>
<p>The above stated viewpoint of evil is your definition.  Many people would disagree.</p>
<p>While I respect your opinions&#8230; I also recognize that since you view evil as an absolute and claim there are no absolutes in the universe, only gray areas, it is fruitless for me to spend time in further discussion.  I consider such to be circular logic for which there is no  answer or conclusion.  Evil is absolute, and since there can&#8217;t be absolutes, there can&#8217;t be evil.  Very convenient logic&#8211; but highly debatable, to say the least. (And no, I won&#8217;t waste time discussing whether or not it&#8217;s actually circular logic either. LOL).</p>
<p>I respect you have your opinions of these things.  I strongly disagree with your opinions.  I still believe that Hitler was evil&#8230; and that there have been and are evil people on the face of this planet.  I believe in good and evil&#8211; and shades in between.  You&#8217;ve been generally respectful in this discussion&#8230; so I respectfully continue to disagree and choose to save us both additional time by politely bowing out of further discussion.</p>
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