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		<title>By: Soma to florida.</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36741</link>
		<dc:creator>Soma to florida.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Soma sonic music.&lt;/strong&gt;

Soma addiction and lying. Pictures of soma 750 mg.. Soma next day delievery. Soma. Suicide with soma how many does it take.
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<p>Soma addiction and lying. Pictures of soma 750 mg.. Soma next day delievery. Soma. Suicide with soma how many does it take.</p>
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		<title>By: IllinoisEnema Bandit</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36740</link>
		<dc:creator>IllinoisEnema Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone starts up a class-action lawsuit, I&#039;m in. They killed it a month before, and those of us who have been trying to get First Land are just left out in the cold - literally. I wanted a spot for my employees to get together for meetings. The SL &#039;bait-&amp;-switch&#039; method for stealing my money -- yes, I consider it a theft of services -- is ethically and morally wrong. I guess the Lindens are going to have a bunch of free accounts running around now. With any luck, they&#039;ll go bankrupt in RL.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone starts up a class-action lawsuit, I&#8217;m in. They killed it a month before, and those of us who have been trying to get First Land are just left out in the cold &#8211; literally. I wanted a spot for my employees to get together for meetings. The SL &#8216;bait-&#038;-switch&#8217; method for stealing my money &#8212; yes, I consider it a theft of services &#8212; is ethically and morally wrong. I guess the Lindens are going to have a bunch of free accounts running around now. With any luck, they&#8217;ll go bankrupt in RL.</p>
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		<title>By: Seola Sassoon</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36739</link>
		<dc:creator>Seola Sassoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, that was Simondo.

Names appear *after* the post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, that was Simondo.</p>
<p>Names appear *after* the post.</p>
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		<title>By: ScrewedBySL</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36738</link>
		<dc:creator>ScrewedBySL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seola Sassoon wrote &quot;The legitimate outcry is really from those who upgraded to Premium in the last few months, with the advertised benefit of cheap first land foremost in their minds, only to find &quot;there isn&#039;t any!&quot; Now to be told &quot;there will never be any&quot; must be relatively devastating.&quot;

Well put Seola.  Though as a premium acct holder, the loss of First Land isn&#039;t devestating to me but still amounts to $20-$40US that they screwed me out.  Of course the Lindens are more interested in opening sims to &quot;solve&quot; the supply-demand problem FOR THEM ... more $$ in their pockets, rather than fixing the problem of First Land or the whole screwed up way they have implement &quot;virtual land.&quot;

In RL when you buy land, you are buying into a community and sense of permanance.  Your land increases in value because of the community and what you invest/build into your land. But in SL, your land (unless you own the whole sim) can become worthless overnight by a new casino/club/etc on 512m parcel that pops up stuffed with camping chairs etc. that can grind the whole sim to a halt.

The key points for me is how willing the Lindens are to reneg on their promises; how they stuff their pockets with $$ from new sims with excuses that they are doing this for *our* benefit rather than fix real problems affecting us (too many to list), and to keep changing the TOS to cover their arses and not have to be accountable to anyone.








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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seola Sassoon wrote &#8220;The legitimate outcry is really from those who upgraded to Premium in the last few months, with the advertised benefit of cheap first land foremost in their minds, only to find &#8220;there isn&#8217;t any!&#8221; Now to be told &#8220;there will never be any&#8221; must be relatively devastating.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well put Seola.  Though as a premium acct holder, the loss of First Land isn&#8217;t devestating to me but still amounts to $20-$40US that they screwed me out.  Of course the Lindens are more interested in opening sims to &#8220;solve&#8221; the supply-demand problem FOR THEM &#8230; more $$ in their pockets, rather than fixing the problem of First Land or the whole screwed up way they have implement &#8220;virtual land.&#8221;</p>
<p>In RL when you buy land, you are buying into a community and sense of permanance.  Your land increases in value because of the community and what you invest/build into your land. But in SL, your land (unless you own the whole sim) can become worthless overnight by a new casino/club/etc on 512m parcel that pops up stuffed with camping chairs etc. that can grind the whole sim to a halt.</p>
<p>The key points for me is how willing the Lindens are to reneg on their promises; how they stuff their pockets with $$ from new sims with excuses that they are doing this for *our* benefit rather than fix real problems affecting us (too many to list), and to keep changing the TOS to cover their arses and not have to be accountable to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: www.sl-post.com</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36742</link>
		<dc:creator>www.sl-post.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Second Land Only in Second Life - First Land Banned&lt;/strong&gt;

Linden Lab has discontinued the subsidized “first land” purchase program for users with premium accounts.
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<p>Linden Lab has discontinued the subsidized “first land” purchase program for users with premium accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Seola Sassoon</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36737</link>
		<dc:creator>Seola Sassoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings the interesting situation of &#039;who funnels money?&#039;.  With first land, the funnel, albeit clogged, worked some of the time.  Now, instead of LL selling first land for cheap, and allowing players (in even a minute sense) to live on cheap land, or turn a bit of profit to start off, they&#039;ll auction the land off at the minimum price THEY value the land, then create an instant large sink for the money you pay them.

Want that roadside/beachside plot?  LL puts it at auction for 7k themselves, then lets people fight it out.

They now effectively control the land market in a much larger capacity than before.  Not only do they control how much new land is put up, now they control all the land pricing as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings the interesting situation of &#8216;who funnels money?&#8217;.  With first land, the funnel, albeit clogged, worked some of the time.  Now, instead of LL selling first land for cheap, and allowing players (in even a minute sense) to live on cheap land, or turn a bit of profit to start off, they&#8217;ll auction the land off at the minimum price THEY value the land, then create an instant large sink for the money you pay them.</p>
<p>Want that roadside/beachside plot?  LL puts it at auction for 7k themselves, then lets people fight it out.</p>
<p>They now effectively control the land market in a much larger capacity than before.  Not only do they control how much new land is put up, now they control all the land pricing as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, um, I disagree with your reasons, Curious lol that&#039;s life in the big city.

Re: Then we can all have however much land we&#039;d like.

That&#039;s not going to happen today and probably not this year, but within 5 years the concept of buying virtual land in the meta-verse, at least when location doesn&#039;t matter, will seem quaint.

Well, I wonder about this. I don&#039;t see why we should be expected to step up and be fleeced and pay out all kinds of money to keep LL and LibSL in their sandboxes making their software in order to some day devalue our land and turf us all out. That&#039;s called &quot;selling the rope to the capitalists which they&#039;ll use to hang themselves,&quot; as Lenin said when he rolled out NEP. No thanks. I don&#039;t see why we should be signing up for such a sacrificial role. It&#039;s like a game of musical chairs. You might make money, you might not, but when the game stops you will be left without a chair to sit down on.

But to push it further, I don&#039;t see how those who host their own can somehow magically endlessly roll outsims for ever and ever amen. How? Sims are server space. People hosting their own may have even less resources than Linden Lab to house and manage servers. Even if there are gadzillion people hosting, and there is lots of land suddenly flooding the area, still, that means lots more people will come on all those servers. There&#039;s a limit to how many can fit, even if you distribute the system all over the world. It&#039;s like bandwidth. It *is* bandwidth!

So these host-your-owns, given their greater costs as they don&#039;t have economy of scale, may be making very chic high-cost rentals of their own, for all we know. If anything, given human nature, given the propensity for feting and privileging, this is what we&#039;ll see, all kinds of high-cost exclusive enclaves. Let&#039;s see how altruistic people are when they have to buy a $6000 server and a $6000 T-1 line and meet their costs of hosting their own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, um, I disagree with your reasons, Curious lol that&#8217;s life in the big city.</p>
<p>Re: Then we can all have however much land we&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not going to happen today and probably not this year, but within 5 years the concept of buying virtual land in the meta-verse, at least when location doesn&#8217;t matter, will seem quaint.</p>
<p>Well, I wonder about this. I don&#8217;t see why we should be expected to step up and be fleeced and pay out all kinds of money to keep LL and LibSL in their sandboxes making their software in order to some day devalue our land and turf us all out. That&#8217;s called &#8220;selling the rope to the capitalists which they&#8217;ll use to hang themselves,&#8221; as Lenin said when he rolled out NEP. No thanks. I don&#8217;t see why we should be signing up for such a sacrificial role. It&#8217;s like a game of musical chairs. You might make money, you might not, but when the game stops you will be left without a chair to sit down on.</p>
<p>But to push it further, I don&#8217;t see how those who host their own can somehow magically endlessly roll outsims for ever and ever amen. How? Sims are server space. People hosting their own may have even less resources than Linden Lab to house and manage servers. Even if there are gadzillion people hosting, and there is lots of land suddenly flooding the area, still, that means lots more people will come on all those servers. There&#8217;s a limit to how many can fit, even if you distribute the system all over the world. It&#8217;s like bandwidth. It *is* bandwidth!</p>
<p>So these host-your-owns, given their greater costs as they don&#8217;t have economy of scale, may be making very chic high-cost rentals of their own, for all we know. If anything, given human nature, given the propensity for feting and privileging, this is what we&#8217;ll see, all kinds of high-cost exclusive enclaves. Let&#8217;s see how altruistic people are when they have to buy a $6000 server and a $6000 T-1 line and meet their costs of hosting their own.</p>
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		<title>By: humanoid</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/02/second_land_onl.html/comment-page-1#comment-36735</link>
		<dc:creator>humanoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the government gave away parcels in the American West during manifest destiny times, one had to stay on the land for upwards of five years in order to aquire a deed. The idea that First Land wouldn&#039;t serve it&#039;s intended purpose with similar conditions is false.

If they do intend to flood the market, and the first 512m will still be free of monthly maintenance charges, then then end of First Land isn&#039;t that big of a deal. It does remove yet another reason to buy a premium account, but that isn&#039;t anything new.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the government gave away parcels in the American West during manifest destiny times, one had to stay on the land for upwards of five years in order to aquire a deed. The idea that First Land wouldn&#8217;t serve it&#8217;s intended purpose with similar conditions is false.</p>
<p>If they do intend to flood the market, and the first 512m will still be free of monthly maintenance charges, then then end of First Land isn&#8217;t that big of a deal. It does remove yet another reason to buy a premium account, but that isn&#8217;t anything new.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Squeegee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Squeegee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all know that too much of a good thing is bad in the long run.  I agree that first land is an important aspect of being in second life but if it has gone then it has gone.  Instead use your freedom to purchase land anywhere you want... sure it won&#039;t be as cheap as first land but at least you can move somewhere that you want to go to and more importantly a place where other people have chosen to be.... the result regions full of like minded people who have made a commitment to spending some cash and are more likely to want the place to stay nice.

Naturally the only downside is that you will be buying from people like me...

Martin Squeegee will be back in his office in Julia Creek very soon...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all know that too much of a good thing is bad in the long run.  I agree that first land is an important aspect of being in second life but if it has gone then it has gone.  Instead use your freedom to purchase land anywhere you want&#8230; sure it won&#8217;t be as cheap as first land but at least you can move somewhere that you want to go to and more importantly a place where other people have chosen to be&#8230;. the result regions full of like minded people who have made a commitment to spending some cash and are more likely to want the place to stay nice.</p>
<p>Naturally the only downside is that you will be buying from people like me&#8230;</p>
<p>Martin Squeegee will be back in his office in Julia Creek very soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tad McConachie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad McConachie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether this was a good move or not depends on whether or not LL creates enough land to outpace demand - at least enough to lower land prices significantly.  I&#039;m not sure anyone in their right mind would buy a 512 plot for $20USD or more, but more might at $10USD and it&#039;s a downright bargain at around $5 or $6.

I think it&#039;s time for the price on land to drop considerably, though it&#039;s just a matter of time until land become a total commodity.  Eventually libSL or LL themselves will figure out and release a solution to allow anyone to connect their own server/sim into the grid.  Then we can all have however much land we&#039;d like.

That&#039;s not going to happen today and probably not this year, but within 5 years the concept of buying virtual land in the meta-verse, at least when location doesn&#039;t matter, will seem quaint.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether this was a good move or not depends on whether or not LL creates enough land to outpace demand &#8211; at least enough to lower land prices significantly.  I&#8217;m not sure anyone in their right mind would buy a 512 plot for $20USD or more, but more might at $10USD and it&#8217;s a downright bargain at around $5 or $6.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time for the price on land to drop considerably, though it&#8217;s just a matter of time until land become a total commodity.  Eventually libSL or LL themselves will figure out and release a solution to allow anyone to connect their own server/sim into the grid.  Then we can all have however much land we&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not going to happen today and probably not this year, but within 5 years the concept of buying virtual land in the meta-verse, at least when location doesn&#8217;t matter, will seem quaint.</p>
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