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		<title>By: Jerbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KANEVA ROCKS, THE GRAPHICS ARE SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER :) !!!!</description>
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		<title>By: LinWo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LinWo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaneva is a chat room with barely animated avatars. you can not do jack crap. there is no mic. you can only dress up your avatars as whores or meatheads. These douchebags that spend their years at Kaneva City live all day to boot you. I thought the Lindens were bad but these are just white trash GMs. Speaking of white trash...the game is only American. When you sign on it wants your zip code...no other country option. 
it&#039;s just not worth it. i would rather hang out with pedophiles on Yahoo Chat than sit staring at jackshit on Kanecvevavatgsdfa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaneva is a chat room with barely animated avatars. you can not do jack crap. there is no mic. you can only dress up your avatars as whores or meatheads. These douchebags that spend their years at Kaneva City live all day to boot you. I thought the Lindens were bad but these are just white trash GMs. Speaking of white trash&#8230;the game is only American. When you sign on it wants your zip code&#8230;no other country option.<br />
it&#8217;s just not worth it. i would rather hang out with pedophiles on Yahoo Chat than sit staring at jackshit on Kanecvevavatgsdfa.</p>
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		<title>By: Amaagariwah Kawabata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amaagariwah Kawabata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I also visited kaneva, as well as my Sl partner. It seems it is the same folks who developed Star Wars. It has the same avatars. Despite all of Sl&#039;s problems in terms of user-created content, it is the best. Let&#039;s see what happens with Sony&#039;s Home, and Areae.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I also visited kaneva, as well as my Sl partner. It seems it is the same folks who developed Star Wars. It has the same avatars. Despite all of Sl&#8217;s problems in terms of user-created content, it is the best. Let&#8217;s see what happens with Sony&#8217;s Home, and Areae.<br />
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		<title>By: Greg Verdino's Marketing Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Verdino's Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yes, you can (almost) Kaneva&lt;/strong&gt;

The folks from Kaneva have tipped me off that they will be moving from private to public beta on Monday. Anyone interested in getting into their virtual world will be able to sign up at their site and presumably other bloggers can start chiming in with...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Yes, you can (almost) Kaneva</strong></p>
<p>The folks from Kaneva have tipped me off that they will be moving from private to public beta on Monday. Anyone interested in getting into their virtual world will be able to sign up at their site and presumably other bloggers can start chiming in with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/03/can_u_kaneva.html/comment-page-1#comment-35000</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;You don&#039;t know why people use SL; you have no idea; but I do. I&#039;m out there, [begin epic theme music] in the trenchs, in real life as well, uphill, both ways, analyzing and strictly categorizing everything and everybody to the nth degree. -- Khamon&lt;

Yeah Khamon, you&#039;re just so durn informed and intelligent the rest of us pale by comparison. LOL  (forgive me while I ignore the rest of that self-centered post)

Prok, yeah, while I have no intent on getting involved in Kaneva (or any other VR world for that matter)... it is an interesting experiment.  Are people more interested in socializing or in playing with 3D toys?  Even on SL, I noticed that people very often commented, &quot;Oh, I never build or script.  I come here to visit my friends&quot;.  Seems like the folks at Kaneva are aware of that element and are focusing more on the social structure than in toys and gimmicks.

I haven&#039;t even checked out the 3D part.  Doesn&#039;t matter to me really how it functions.  I&#039;ve been studying the external social structure.  Part of the interesting thing there are the interactive web-page / blogs.  Such have been done with amazing success elswhere (MySpace or SL... which is the most popular?  LOL).  So as a social environment with a bit of 3-D VR thrown in, Kaneva might surprise the SL-tunnel-visioned and come out way ahead of the game.  As you pointed out, the total absence of griefers (and the apparent ability of the company to strongly control such antisocial activity) is a big plus in the &quot;online socializing&quot; book.  I wonder how many SL residents would be willing to switch to a board like Kaneva just to get away from the griefer element?  I&#039;d wager more than LL would believe.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>You don&#8217;t know why people use SL; you have no idea; but I do. I&#8217;m out there, [begin epic theme music] in the trenchs, in real life as well, uphill, both ways, analyzing and strictly categorizing everything and everybody to the nth degree. &#8212; Khamon<</p>
<p>Yeah Khamon, you&#8217;re just so durn informed and intelligent the rest of us pale by comparison. LOL  (forgive me while I ignore the rest of that self-centered post)</p>
<p>Prok, yeah, while I have no intent on getting involved in Kaneva (or any other VR world for that matter)&#8230; it is an interesting experiment.  Are people more interested in socializing or in playing with 3D toys?  Even on SL, I noticed that people very often commented, &#8220;Oh, I never build or script.  I come here to visit my friends&#8221;.  Seems like the folks at Kaneva are aware of that element and are focusing more on the social structure than in toys and gimmicks.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t even checked out the 3D part.  Doesn&#8217;t matter to me really how it functions.  I&#8217;ve been studying the external social structure.  Part of the interesting thing there are the interactive web-page / blogs.  Such have been done with amazing success elswhere (MySpace or SL&#8230; which is the most popular?  LOL).  So as a social environment with a bit of 3-D VR thrown in, Kaneva might surprise the SL-tunnel-visioned and come out way ahead of the game.  As you pointed out, the total absence of griefers (and the apparent ability of the company to strongly control such antisocial activity) is a big plus in the &#8220;online socializing&#8221; book.  I wonder how many SL residents would be willing to switch to a board like Kaneva just to get away from the griefer element?  I&#8217;d wager more than LL would believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayfinder, you&#039;ve reminded me of something I completely forgot to include in this review: the grief-proofing. Precisely because it&#039;s a world with more limited clickability and content, it seems that it doesn&#039;t have the grief potential either. As I wandered around for an hour in a public space, I didn&#039;t see anybody griefing. That was almost a kind of relief. I felt insulated from all those other people, but that was actually welcome, given that in SL, I log on usually to experience cage-bombings, forced teleport offers from spamming clubs, etc.

Carbonel, did you notice there wasn&#039;t any flying?! Also, to change the view, what you have to do is go up top the game screen and hunt for an icon that looks like a camera and press it. I think it toggles from a kind of overview to eyelevel view.

Jerry Paffendorf always used to talk about the wish to just walk from room to room, like a big dormitory, not to have to leave applications, or to have to wait for teleports or fly. So this sort of platform may be going in that direction. If you can just migrate right from a My Space to this thing, or if Meez takes off more and its portable avatar concept can go into Kaneva and 10 other things flawlessly, people will go there.

I certainly don&#039;t plan on giving up on it, but hope to continue to explore it and decorate it. I don&#039;t have any compelling desire to go there, however, because the demographics for it don&#039;t promise any interesting friends, and for some inexplicable reason (to me), while it seems to be an English-language site, all the buzz words blown up in the tag cloud all say stuff like ANIME and other Japanese cultural stuff obscure to me. I&#039;d like to learn more about all that, but it would mean a non-busy Sunday afternoon, not a compelling interest to go see on a school night.

I was just noticing today on Twitter that one of the IBM guys was signing up 50 new recruits to try SL...but then the new signs-ups were capped or down, raining on his parade. And I can&#039;t help thinking that if big businesses want to use social media to connect up their globalized workforces, they might start making back-up or redundant or just *other* networks to have that are lighter and more portable and less crashy than SL, and Kaneva might be that. I never let the low and mass culture of a thing put me off to considering how it might be used for wider purposes later.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayfinder, you&#8217;ve reminded me of something I completely forgot to include in this review: the grief-proofing. Precisely because it&#8217;s a world with more limited clickability and content, it seems that it doesn&#8217;t have the grief potential either. As I wandered around for an hour in a public space, I didn&#8217;t see anybody griefing. That was almost a kind of relief. I felt insulated from all those other people, but that was actually welcome, given that in SL, I log on usually to experience cage-bombings, forced teleport offers from spamming clubs, etc.</p>
<p>Carbonel, did you notice there wasn&#8217;t any flying?! Also, to change the view, what you have to do is go up top the game screen and hunt for an icon that looks like a camera and press it. I think it toggles from a kind of overview to eyelevel view.</p>
<p>Jerry Paffendorf always used to talk about the wish to just walk from room to room, like a big dormitory, not to have to leave applications, or to have to wait for teleports or fly. So this sort of platform may be going in that direction. If you can just migrate right from a My Space to this thing, or if Meez takes off more and its portable avatar concept can go into Kaneva and 10 other things flawlessly, people will go there.</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t plan on giving up on it, but hope to continue to explore it and decorate it. I don&#8217;t have any compelling desire to go there, however, because the demographics for it don&#8217;t promise any interesting friends, and for some inexplicable reason (to me), while it seems to be an English-language site, all the buzz words blown up in the tag cloud all say stuff like ANIME and other Japanese cultural stuff obscure to me. I&#8217;d like to learn more about all that, but it would mean a non-busy Sunday afternoon, not a compelling interest to go see on a school night.</p>
<p>I was just noticing today on Twitter that one of the IBM guys was signing up 50 new recruits to try SL&#8230;but then the new signs-ups were capped or down, raining on his parade. And I can&#8217;t help thinking that if big businesses want to use social media to connect up their globalized workforces, they might start making back-up or redundant or just *other* networks to have that are lighter and more portable and less crashy than SL, and Kaneva might be that. I never let the low and mass culture of a thing put me off to considering how it might be used for wider purposes later.</p>
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		<title>By: FlipperPA Peregrine</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlipperPA Peregrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking Kaneva also fails the &quot;naked yardstick test.&quot; While I rarely worry about getting naked in Second Life, whether or not your avatar can be naked is a fairly good yardstick of how much freedom the company making the virtual world is really giving to the people to build the community. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking Kaneva also fails the &#8220;naked yardstick test.&#8221; While I rarely worry about getting naked in Second Life, whether or not your avatar can be naked is a fairly good yardstick of how much freedom the company making the virtual world is really giving to the people to build the community. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: YHelloThar</title>
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		<dc:creator>YHelloThar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There&#039;s a Headquarters? Where? Oh it was bombed? Who knew? That&#039;s like...different than something that happened yesterday and the day before? I think it&#039;s bombed all the time. But ask Pix.&quot;

Pix were emailed to SL Herald, incase they missed the raid, but they decided to deny it like the holocaust

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a Headquarters? Where? Oh it was bombed? Who knew? That&#8217;s like&#8230;different than something that happened yesterday and the day before? I think it&#8217;s bombed all the time. But ask Pix.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pix were emailed to SL Herald, incase they missed the raid, but they decided to deny it like the holocaust</p>
<p>WARNING: pix arent child friendly</p>
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		<title>By: Khamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Wayfinder this kind of [insert derogatory adjective] response is to be expected from someone that believes [insert itemized belief structure] and I know you do because you&#039;re [insert rigidly dictated category].  You don&#039;t know why people use SL; you have no idea; but I do. I&#039;m out there, [begin epic theme music] in the trenchs, in real life as well, uphill, both ways, analyzing and strictly categorizing everything and everybody to the nth degree. [switch to fast-paced action music] People use SL to do more than socialize, of course the vast majority of most of the people use SL to fight political battles and have sex (can&#039;t do that in Kaneva) and fight the use of 3D media for sexploitation and socialize.  In fact most of the main part of the majority of people just want to put up a prefab and get undressed and socialize lol [insert a random chapter of dickens].

Gosh this is tiring already.  Most of what I see people doing in Second Life is just as you say, putting up a prefab (there are loads of really nice ones now), shopping for clothing and attachments and hanging out socializing.  Their main problems, at least most of what I see in Live Help, are the software not working properly and griefers attacking them.  If Kavena provides an working, griefless, bling haven, I expect we&#039;ll lose a few people to it.  More impotantly, I expect word will spread and the influx of new residents will slow to a crawl over a short period of time.  If that happens, land prices will never decrease.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Wayfinder this kind of [insert derogatory adjective] response is to be expected from someone that believes [insert itemized belief structure] and I know you do because you&#8217;re [insert rigidly dictated category].  You don&#8217;t know why people use SL; you have no idea; but I do. I&#8217;m out there, [begin epic theme music] in the trenchs, in real life as well, uphill, both ways, analyzing and strictly categorizing everything and everybody to the nth degree. [switch to fast-paced action music] People use SL to do more than socialize, of course the vast majority of most of the people use SL to fight political battles and have sex (can&#8217;t do that in Kaneva) and fight the use of 3D media for sexploitation and socialize.  In fact most of the main part of the majority of people just want to put up a prefab and get undressed and socialize lol [insert a random chapter of dickens].</p>
<p>Gosh this is tiring already.  Most of what I see people doing in Second Life is just as you say, putting up a prefab (there are loads of really nice ones now), shopping for clothing and attachments and hanging out socializing.  Their main problems, at least most of what I see in Live Help, are the software not working properly and griefers attacking them.  If Kavena provides an working, griefless, bling haven, I expect we&#8217;ll lose a few people to it.  More impotantly, I expect word will spread and the influx of new residents will slow to a crawl over a short period of time.  If that happens, land prices will never decrease.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayfinder Wishbringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayfinder Wishbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok, you&#039;ve made some valid observations.  I tried Kaneva... and after quickly figuring out that the whole board was based on a social structure similar to the old SL &quot;ratings system&quot;... I stopped wasting my time.

However, to be considered is that people use Kaneva for a totally different reason than SL.  Kaneva appears to be designed as a griefer-free social board.  Their ratings system membership requirement means it&#039;s not easy to just sign up and enter the world.  It&#039;s a lengthy, time-consuming process that griefers won&#039;t bother with.  If they do bother, the first time they grief they&#039;ll be busted from the board so quickly it&#039;ll make their gramma gasp.  Then are they going to go through all that process again?  How many times until they get tired of it?  Not more than twice, I&#039;d bet, if they even get that far (I&#039;d think it possible that Kaneva might have a pretty accurate origin-point tracing system and low tolerance for jerks).

So my guess is that they want people to be able to enjoy Kaneva without the inherent sociological flaws of Second Life (and face it, there are severe flaws there, to be sure).  Kaneva may not be as versatile.  But I think it might end up being very well supported.  Why?

Because Kaneva features a slice of Real Life that is just the opposite of Second Life.  They encourage people to post RL pictures, information, likes, dislikes.  Every person has an EXTENSIVE profile web/blog page.  It is definitely a highly-social environment.  And there are a LOT of people who use Second Life just for socializing.

Who might use Kaneva?  Every person who spends all day on Second Life in dance clubs, that&#039;s who.  Not everyone on Second Life builds, or scripts, or races cars etc etc.  A lot of people just stand around and chat, or furnish their home, or whatever.  Kaneva appears to be specifically tailored for that.  If all someone wants to do is buld a home and furnish it, join groups of RL similar interests, and chat without having to worry about trolls and griefers and antisocial sociopathic kiddies... Kaneva might be exactly what they&#039;re wanting.

One of the things I did notice is that there is a &quot;report abuse&quot; button on each person&#039;s profile, right there for the pushing.  I&#039;d bet dimes to doughnuts they won&#039;t have near the griefer problems that SL has had.

So do I see Kaneva swiping some of SL&#039;s market share?  Yup.  It&#039;s just starting out, but I would at least give them a &quot;possibly viable&quot; score on the VR chart.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok, you&#8217;ve made some valid observations.  I tried Kaneva&#8230; and after quickly figuring out that the whole board was based on a social structure similar to the old SL &#8220;ratings system&#8221;&#8230; I stopped wasting my time.</p>
<p>However, to be considered is that people use Kaneva for a totally different reason than SL.  Kaneva appears to be designed as a griefer-free social board.  Their ratings system membership requirement means it&#8217;s not easy to just sign up and enter the world.  It&#8217;s a lengthy, time-consuming process that griefers won&#8217;t bother with.  If they do bother, the first time they grief they&#8217;ll be busted from the board so quickly it&#8217;ll make their gramma gasp.  Then are they going to go through all that process again?  How many times until they get tired of it?  Not more than twice, I&#8217;d bet, if they even get that far (I&#8217;d think it possible that Kaneva might have a pretty accurate origin-point tracing system and low tolerance for jerks).</p>
<p>So my guess is that they want people to be able to enjoy Kaneva without the inherent sociological flaws of Second Life (and face it, there are severe flaws there, to be sure).  Kaneva may not be as versatile.  But I think it might end up being very well supported.  Why?</p>
<p>Because Kaneva features a slice of Real Life that is just the opposite of Second Life.  They encourage people to post RL pictures, information, likes, dislikes.  Every person has an EXTENSIVE profile web/blog page.  It is definitely a highly-social environment.  And there are a LOT of people who use Second Life just for socializing.</p>
<p>Who might use Kaneva?  Every person who spends all day on Second Life in dance clubs, that&#8217;s who.  Not everyone on Second Life builds, or scripts, or races cars etc etc.  A lot of people just stand around and chat, or furnish their home, or whatever.  Kaneva appears to be specifically tailored for that.  If all someone wants to do is buld a home and furnish it, join groups of RL similar interests, and chat without having to worry about trolls and griefers and antisocial sociopathic kiddies&#8230; Kaneva might be exactly what they&#8217;re wanting.</p>
<p>One of the things I did notice is that there is a &#8220;report abuse&#8221; button on each person&#8217;s profile, right there for the pushing.  I&#8217;d bet dimes to doughnuts they won&#8217;t have near the griefer problems that SL has had.</p>
<p>So do I see Kaneva swiping some of SL&#8217;s market share?  Yup.  It&#8217;s just starting out, but I would at least give them a &#8220;possibly viable&#8221; score on the VR chart.</p>
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