It’s funny that you’d want to stock up this info for later reference, just in case. You must think I’m a public figure of influence and importance. Or maybe it’s that you’re still upset over our personal falling out a couple years back, and are just hoping for future opportunities to flame me.

“Kimberly,” that’s always been your theme song, ever since I began publicly criticizing you, instead of listening in awe to you inworld for hours like your other ex-fans lol.

You don’t have wings, but you appear as a tiny bunny or something, and you have various fairy stuff out at your store. I believe you even invented one of those following fairies that can be so annoying. So I simply remember you as fairy-like and magical. It’s definitely not mixing you up with any “other” big clunky thunder-thighed purple-winged thing, no.

“Kimberly,” the kind of venture capital that LL has is something that isn’t really “venture capital” in the sort of usual cut-throat Silicon Valley way, it strikes me. Of course, I’m looking at this from afar, from the East Coast. The capital used to start Second Life comes from a) Philip Rosedale himself, the idea guy b) the ebay guy, Pierre Omidyar, who is also a philanthropist and who might have just as easily done all this as a philanthrophy project, but he just wanted to attract more buzz and involvement no doubt; and c) Mitch Kapor, another very visionary, ideological sort of fellow who doesn’t just look at the bottom line.

I’m very familiar with your resume as you bruit it about everywhere, “Kimberly”. BTW, I’m putting your RL name in scare quotes because I believe you to behaving not like a RL person with their RL name, but a person in a virtual world with an anonymous identity that enables you to be mean-spirited and arrogant to other people.

You seem to forget that I spend many of my waking hours in Second Life staring at things you have made in Carlysle and Hyle. They’re fine for what they are. No doubt you have done good work for your clients elsewhere.

It’s good you’re putting yourself on the record as saying that you don’t want to be on a separate grid, nor do your clients. It will be good to contrast and compare that to whatever justification you make for moving to the separate grid, becaue that’s what you and others who wish to make money in Second Life will be forced to do.

Anywho, Flakfizer has made a very good strong point there. Thus time will tell with Linden Labs and new developments slowly coming in.

Ex:… Steve Linden on FPS rate.

LOL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE “GUY” THAT WROTE THIS

I HERD YOU LEIK THE PENIS

As cute as that is, Prokofy, I have no idea where you came up with it. I’m not the developer known for her wings. I’m the one wearing the top hat. It’s just one of the many things in your post here that indicates that you have no clue who I am, what I’m up to, and what I think. It’s funny that you decided to pretend otherwise at such length.

I didn’t say anything about whether or not SL has performance issues. Everyone knows about them, so it wasn’t necessary to mention them. The only one pretending otherwise here is you.

I believe Linden Lab will continue to fix them and that their product is scalable.

The decision to open source the SL client was a good one, for a variety of reasons. I think, based on past releases, that Linden Lab is working on both addditional features and stabilizing and enhancing Second Life performance. But really, no one but the Lindens themselves know for certain what percentage of their effort is currently being spent on either of these things — including you.

“That may be a rational venture capitalists’ decision, but in the long run, it may flop and cost even the loyalist customer base, I don’t know.”

No, you don’t. However, we all know SL would have already flopped — gone broke — if Linden Lab hadn’t received venture capital.

Anyway, as for your comments about “most businesses in Second Life” . . . my company isn’t “most businesses” and neither are my clients. Clearly, you aren’t familiar with my company’s work. That’s not a big surprise. I haven’t focused much on marketing.

There are other solutions to social problems (like griefing) that are preferable to creating separate grids. Some want their projects to be hosted separate grids for other reasons, and perhaps they’ll get them. Most of my clients wouldn’t want that, and I don’t. You can post disbelievingly, Prok, and try to label me as some sort of wing’d proletariat-hating immortal. But you don’t know what you’re talking about.

*Bursts out laughing*. You’re as FIC as they come, Kim Anubis, please, spare me. We all realize how important you, your clients, and well, everything your winged little fairy hands touch are, but we mortals will go on being a *teensy bit* more critical of Cory O et. al. than you. I run a business and pay tier and care about Second Life too, but I don’t see why I have to pretend the performance sucks.

There is a real controversy around this that you are pretending doesn’t exist merely because you’re taking one side in it, and that is the decision to go open-source and fete up libsecond life and focus on programming new features and chasing big corporate interest rather than stabilizing and enhancing performance for more garden-variety users. That may be a rational venture capitalists’ decision, but in the long run, it may flop and cost even the loyalist customer base, I don’t know.

>I think probably the Lindens will be forced to open up separate grids. That will make people like Kimberly happy as she and her clients can be free of blingtards.”

>I imagine that’s something Linden Lab is considering, but it seems like something they’d work very hard to avoid.

Why? Because they are hippies holding hands and singing “We Are the World?” not for long, really, when they finally have to make the thing profitable and focus on how to do this in the quickest possible way.

>I’ve certainly had inquiries from prospective clients who wanted to know if they could have sims separate from the main grid for various reasons. However, most of my clients would choose to have their sims be a part of the Main Grid, and so would I.

You need to get out more. Most of the businesses in Second Life now trying to operate sims, show up, run events, and do stuff, as well as the educational organizations, are frustrated with everything from lag to capacity to griefing to lack of control over controversies like ageplay. They would LOVE to have a separate grid to themselves, and LL would LOVE to charge for this and filter out the blingtards and the hoochie-haired and fetishists. Maybe if they make the performance bad enough, those people will go away?

The idea that businesses want to incorporate into the world is one of the bigger myths that the businesses themselves and the metaversal development companies are perpetrating. Most of the companies don’t do any outreach, they don’t penetrate into the rest of the world — it’s too down in the weeds, too time-consuming, and probably not warranted. There are a few exceptions like IBM, but most stay on their islands, those rare times they show up. They are prototyping something for a future, better-functioning metaverse, not *living in it as it is now, today.*

>”Blingtards”? I have bling on my sneakers, and I wish I owned them in real life. This is getting off topic, though.

Maybe you should return to your roots, hon.

Khamon,

That’s quite the interesting statement. I never realized those, never really studied those builds. I remember I used to think it was ridiculous that Waterhead involved a telehub that made your avatar rez and bump his head hard and see stars while coming out. Headbangers’ Ball. Strange way to welcome to SL — but perhaps a subliminal message.

And that message is: “we’re just playing at building this and prototyping it for some future metaverse, we’re not actually interested in living in it now, we hope we’ll get better jobs elsewhere”.

As for your other uber-supreme-tekkie comment, my God, you do need to get out more.

>This statement confuses me. It’s like saying “by the time we get to the hospital, medical professionals and insurance agents have already decided how treatments will be conducted”

Um, no. Because at the local, state, and national level, citizens have had an opportunity to discuss, vote on, and decide issues like whether there will be universal health coverage and what insurance will cover. They will have had a chance to research and study alternative treatments on the Internet, with social groups, and with other doctors in a second opinion. If a patient dies under treatment, the media will investigate it and cover it. There’s a whole rich texture of civil society and governance that simply doesn’t pertain.

If you only let doctors set up the entire health care system without input from patients and others with interests, like government regulators, you’d get that sort of unfair situation you have in geek-led worlds. And indeed, to the extent that the medical profession claims special knowledge and arrogance (as it has in some quarters), to the extent it’s problematic and becomes a target of Congressional committees and such.

>or “by the time we get to the grocery store, the owners and stockpeople will have already decided how the products will be arranged and the colour of the carts”

No, because that implies that Second Life is just a rack with services or a store; instead, it’s a world where a whole series of choices get made — and have been made for years.

If I had to chose between, say, having more stability or having the Lindens code up yet more patches that hide people online or mute ever more new rows and tables of people, guess what I would pick? But I don’t even get to comment on this, nor do most people. Features are decided at the whim of coders, who aren’t answerable even to overall Linden leadership at times.

>or “by the time we get to college, some educational professionals will have already gleaned through the material and formulated solid course offerings”

another REALLY BAD analogy. Because it makes it sound like SL is merely a book shelf, or a bunch of Internet links, a hodge-podge of whatever anybody puts up, or the result of some sort of committee of libraries.

But it isn’t. The Lindens decide, for example, that HTML on a prim isn’t as much of a priority as voice. Voice beats text, even though we already have voice in a place called “real life” and on a thing called “the telephone” and even “Skype”. These kinds of political decisions are constantly made, and usually under the guise of not being political, but actually are heavily politicized.

SL is bad enough, but you could posit that the Croquet people have made their geek thing in total sequestered geekitude. They’ve only summoned their own kind to get involved on suffrance. They think this is fine, because they think, well, you need coders and designers, you don’t need ordinary people or doctors or lawyers, they do their job, we do ours. This is the sort of corporativist approach that leads to authoritarian societies.

And BTW, the problem with tekkies these days is that they think they pwn all the professions because every single profession now depends on them because it’s all online and in dbases. and that makes them think they’re experts on everything from surgery to monetary policy, when in really, they are annoyingly limited folks who parse everything on a yes/no toggle and have trouble looking up above their screens.

Well, here, you're positing that something like SL or Croquet is like a big Hollywood movie, or a big CBS news story, or a cruise to the Bahamas -- a prepackaged set of media entertainment. And perhaps that's how it should indeed be viewed. But I aspire to more. I think it's a world, a place, and it has to have democracy in it and especially given its user-content claims, has to have a very "nothing without us/about us" sort of stance.

>If the masses don’t want, or don’t have time, to learn how to build and operate virtual worlds, we’ll have to use ones built and operated by people who do.

Um, Khamon, really people like you in the next generation seriously scare me.

The masses cannot perform brain surgery or figure out a hospital budget. But they can participate in the public policy discussion about what the health care industry can cover and what it can’t. If you don’t think things like health insurance and stem-cell research are subjects that the public should discuss and be involved in, well, I understand the problem better now. You really do believe society is something best run by elite technicians and everyone else should just STFU.

And…the whole point of SL is that it is suppose to be YOUR WORLD/YOUR IMAGINATION. Of course, you’re secretly revealing now that what you think that REALLY means is “GEEK WORLD/GEEK IMAGINATION’ and that Philip was only calling to his own like you and Jarod. The rest of us showed up by accident and we should find our way to the door now.

>That’s not snotty; everything works that way.

Hell, no, it doesn’t. HELL NO. I don’t let computer geeks and the bureaucracy they have spawned in awful places from the city school district to the police station to the health care clinic rule my life — and others don’t, either.

>The only inherent evil is having no choice of worlds so that we’re forced to live under one single All Hail The Central Lab.

Well, good! They’ve taken more care than YOU wish to take to have more participation from more kinds of people. So…why aren’t YOU in Croquet, Khamon!

>Yet, other platforms are consistently attacked for not being Second Life. Trevor has to post defensive comparisons between Ogoglio and SL every other month because peoople push this one track mind on him. I imagine Lombari’s doing the same

Well, it’s just that people making claims to the challenge of SL should live up to that challenge and not be something else completely.

I mean, if Croquet were to say, “You know, we have this little geekworld thing going that we can’t let people into because we’re taking it slow and going geek with it, but you know, down the road it will be really cool and then we’ll let you in,” that might be interesting — but they don’t really say that.

I continue to submit that when you make a world, you have to start out with all kinds of people. That should have been done at the get-go with all these worlds.