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		<title>By: Khamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not gonna to use voice for the same reasons I have audio and video muted now. For me it 1)requires loads of bandwidth and processing resources that are better spent, 2)generates excessive background noise, 3)requires my undivided attention when someone is talking and I&#039;m trying to multitask.

The illusion of immersion, and people&#039;s notions of Khamon&#039;s voice pattern, gender, and race, aren&#039;t concerns for me.  If they were, I&#039;d not attend SLCC or reference my real life email address in these types of posts.

But I&#039;ll bet you a box of unglazed chocolate frosted doughnuts that I get lumped into the singular category of panic and trepidation that somebody might hear me. It seems to be the only reason anyone can comprehend for not using voice. God I hate these binary wars that require we all fit exactly the same mold according the &quot;side&quot; we&#039;ve chosen to support.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not gonna to use voice for the same reasons I have audio and video muted now. For me it 1)requires loads of bandwidth and processing resources that are better spent, 2)generates excessive background noise, 3)requires my undivided attention when someone is talking and I&#8217;m trying to multitask.</p>
<p>The illusion of immersion, and people&#8217;s notions of Khamon&#8217;s voice pattern, gender, and race, aren&#8217;t concerns for me.  If they were, I&#8217;d not attend SLCC or reference my real life email address in these types of posts.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll bet you a box of unglazed chocolate frosted doughnuts that I get lumped into the singular category of panic and trepidation that somebody might hear me. It seems to be the only reason anyone can comprehend for not using voice. God I hate these binary wars that require we all fit exactly the same mold according the &#8220;side&#8221; we&#8217;ve chosen to support.</p>
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		<title>By: Simondo Nebestanka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simondo Nebestanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that other piece has really taken on a life of its own.  I hope I didn&#039;t add too much to the nastiness.

Fiend, some cool ideas here.  I&#039;m all for comparing and contrasting the completely immersive aspects of the SL experience with the ritualistic nature of religious belief systems.  In fact it appears many people already approach SL with a religious fervour.  This is both scary and reassuring (and to be honest, I&#039;m a born-again atheist in RL).

From your chat with Pixeleen .. &quot;..when you mix real life in [to SL] it ruins the immersion? The Lindens are falling all over themselves to ruin immersion, [for example] that ‘voice’ mistake they want to make - this is more of that.&#039; &#039;Do you think Tenshi Vielle was trying making that point, though?&#039; I asked. &#039;Yes.&#039; Pix said. At least one commenter agrees with her..&quot;

I should clarify a couple of things (no big deal as I may have misinterpreted your application of &quot;agree&quot;); Pixeleen may well have seen immersion as a core issue but I don&#039;t think Tenshi had this in mind when posting her article.  It certainly didn&#039;t sound like that in the entries posted to explain/defend her position.

I guess in my post I was trying to present both sides of the immersion/augmentation reaction to Voice, and the parallels evident in the reaction to Tenshi&#039;s article.  However I&#039;m not convinced that LL are necessarily trying to ruin &quot;immersion&quot;.  I think it&#039;s fair to take their slogan &quot;Your World. Your Imagination.&quot; at face value, that we as residents can decide what our SL experience is.  LL is adding a tool for the augmentation crowd, but the immersion crowd can choose to keep using the tools they already have.

But yes I do agree that for many users the mix of RL that say Voice represents, will ruin the immersive structure they have fashioned around their SL presence.  This need not be the case, however: they don&#039;t have to resist or purge Voice, all they need to do is find a way to let it coexist in parallel with their presence.  It won&#039;t be as hard as some people think.  In the same way, the ideas of a young SL journalist can coexist with those of a successful SL fashion guru.  Perhaps each has different ideas about the source of integrity and honesty, but in the end these things come from the same place.  All we need to do is remember that we have the tools at our disposal to make this virtuality what we want it to be.

Yours truly

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that other piece has really taken on a life of its own.  I hope I didn&#8217;t add too much to the nastiness.</p>
<p>Fiend, some cool ideas here.  I&#8217;m all for comparing and contrasting the completely immersive aspects of the SL experience with the ritualistic nature of religious belief systems.  In fact it appears many people already approach SL with a religious fervour.  This is both scary and reassuring (and to be honest, I&#8217;m a born-again atheist in RL).</p>
<p>From your chat with Pixeleen .. &#8220;..when you mix real life in [to SL] it ruins the immersion? The Lindens are falling all over themselves to ruin immersion, [for example] that ‘voice’ mistake they want to make &#8211; this is more of that.&#8217; &#8216;Do you think Tenshi Vielle was trying making that point, though?&#8217; I asked. &#8216;Yes.&#8217; Pix said. At least one commenter agrees with her..&#8221;</p>
<p>I should clarify a couple of things (no big deal as I may have misinterpreted your application of &#8220;agree&#8221;); Pixeleen may well have seen immersion as a core issue but I don&#8217;t think Tenshi had this in mind when posting her article.  It certainly didn&#8217;t sound like that in the entries posted to explain/defend her position.</p>
<p>I guess in my post I was trying to present both sides of the immersion/augmentation reaction to Voice, and the parallels evident in the reaction to Tenshi&#8217;s article.  However I&#8217;m not convinced that LL are necessarily trying to ruin &#8220;immersion&#8221;.  I think it&#8217;s fair to take their slogan &#8220;Your World. Your Imagination.&#8221; at face value, that we as residents can decide what our SL experience is.  LL is adding a tool for the augmentation crowd, but the immersion crowd can choose to keep using the tools they already have.</p>
<p>But yes I do agree that for many users the mix of RL that say Voice represents, will ruin the immersive structure they have fashioned around their SL presence.  This need not be the case, however: they don&#8217;t have to resist or purge Voice, all they need to do is find a way to let it coexist in parallel with their presence.  It won&#8217;t be as hard as some people think.  In the same way, the ideas of a young SL journalist can coexist with those of a successful SL fashion guru.  Perhaps each has different ideas about the source of integrity and honesty, but in the end these things come from the same place.  All we need to do is remember that we have the tools at our disposal to make this virtuality what we want it to be.</p>
<p>Yours truly</p>
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		<title>By: Tenshi Vielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenshi Vielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... why are we still going on about me? Jeez, I feel like a celebrity or something...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; why are we still going on about me? Jeez, I feel like a celebrity or something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Warburton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Warburton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One very quick comment on this. My analogy would be skype ... how many people choose to use skype for text above voice? Voice/text must both be understood within the differing contexts within they operate or are indeed situated - text/IM is very heavily used by nearly everyone with skype ... why?. The divide of asynchronous/synchronous presence is one dimension that provides each communicative modality with a different texture. I predict (he say bravely) that it will be the same for SL and the natural balance will remain firmly in IM chat except for certain circumstances. For some reason there seems to be an assumption that &#039;voice&#039; is just better than &#039;text&#039; and somehow users will be forced or coerced into voice-based interaction ... WHY would that happen? Technology is always situated ... there is no natural hierarchy!

... and my second analogy here would be to examine SMS vs. voice use in mobile phones

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One very quick comment on this. My analogy would be skype &#8230; how many people choose to use skype for text above voice? Voice/text must both be understood within the differing contexts within they operate or are indeed situated &#8211; text/IM is very heavily used by nearly everyone with skype &#8230; why?. The divide of asynchronous/synchronous presence is one dimension that provides each communicative modality with a different texture. I predict (he say bravely) that it will be the same for SL and the natural balance will remain firmly in IM chat except for certain circumstances. For some reason there seems to be an assumption that &#8216;voice&#8217; is just better than &#8216;text&#8217; and somehow users will be forced or coerced into voice-based interaction &#8230; WHY would that happen? Technology is always situated &#8230; there is no natural hierarchy!</p>
<p>&#8230; and my second analogy here would be to examine SMS vs. voice use in mobile phones</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kobolowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Kobolowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it SL as immersion and SL as augmentation ought to be the same thing. Why should a digital extension of yourself have any relation to your real world self? We don&#039;t need a virtual world to express our everyday selves we already have life for that.

I embrace SL fully as something different to a lot of the new tools for old jobs stuff where people use chatrooms and social networking like MySpace to connect their real self to more real people. I want to come on SL to not be me and I want to relate to people not as their RL selves but as dynamic transient figments born in the world of imagination and fantasy. I quite like a place where you aren&#039;t constrained by all the tradition and ritual of the real world, I&#039;m not looking for any kind of fixed relationships or friendships and all the fuss, hang ups and commitments that come along with that.

In SL I can change in an instant and look and act like a completely different person lets make the most of that aspect of the Cyberworld rather than trying to recreate an arena for RL interaction. Voice is a really bad idea and could well kill what SL represented for many people.

SL ought to be a world where things come into creation in an instant and can disappear just as quickly tied by little or no physical rules. In other words not an extension of our physical selves but an extension of our imagination. You see that&#039;s what worlds like SL really represent a place where people can for the first time inhabit each others creative imaginings and I for one love that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it SL as immersion and SL as augmentation ought to be the same thing. Why should a digital extension of yourself have any relation to your real world self? We don&#8217;t need a virtual world to express our everyday selves we already have life for that.</p>
<p>I embrace SL fully as something different to a lot of the new tools for old jobs stuff where people use chatrooms and social networking like MySpace to connect their real self to more real people. I want to come on SL to not be me and I want to relate to people not as their RL selves but as dynamic transient figments born in the world of imagination and fantasy. I quite like a place where you aren&#8217;t constrained by all the tradition and ritual of the real world, I&#8217;m not looking for any kind of fixed relationships or friendships and all the fuss, hang ups and commitments that come along with that.</p>
<p>In SL I can change in an instant and look and act like a completely different person lets make the most of that aspect of the Cyberworld rather than trying to recreate an arena for RL interaction. Voice is a really bad idea and could well kill what SL represented for many people.</p>
<p>SL ought to be a world where things come into creation in an instant and can disappear just as quickly tied by little or no physical rules. In other words not an extension of our physical selves but an extension of our imagination. You see that&#8217;s what worlds like SL really represent a place where people can for the first time inhabit each others creative imaginings and I for one love that.</p>
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		<title>By: Storm Thunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storm Thunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being inside a wiccan circle is about trust.  Ramming your athame into a fellow&#039;s back up to the hilt is not an action worthy of a priest or priestess.  If Sabrina Doolittle had written an article linking her worlds together that might have been worth mentioning.  What Tenshi did was merely violence.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being inside a wiccan circle is about trust.  Ramming your athame into a fellow&#8217;s back up to the hilt is not an action worthy of a priest or priestess.  If Sabrina Doolittle had written an article linking her worlds together that might have been worth mentioning.  What Tenshi did was merely violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Joliat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Joliat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to separate real life from second life, the only technique I&#039;ve found useful is to make them both entirely different from each other.  Make sure there are clear and well defined differences between your real life and your second life and there is no possible way that you could accidentally mix the two.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to separate real life from second life, the only technique I&#8217;ve found useful is to make them both entirely different from each other.  Make sure there are clear and well defined differences between your real life and your second life and there is no possible way that you could accidentally mix the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Nacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I asked her why she published it, because surely she must have foreseen the - more violent than average - storm the article would stir up. Pix replied, &quot;Do you understand the Magic Circle concept - that when you mix real life in [to SL] it ruins the immersion?&quot;

HHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!  Forgot to laugh at that part. Seriously, she can&#039;t foresee a worth of shit. What she really saying...

She screwed up, but decided to play cover up, pretending crap on crap.  Stop trying to fool me, that&#039;s just much as calling people, your own readers a retard.

Fiend Ludwig, it&#039;s best not to stink your &quot;image&quot; with them as deep shit they are in. ....oh, never mind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I asked her why she published it, because surely she must have foreseen the &#8211; more violent than average &#8211; storm the article would stir up. Pix replied, &#8220;Do you understand the Magic Circle concept &#8211; that when you mix real life in [to SL] it ruins the immersion?&#8221;</p>
<p>HHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!  Forgot to laugh at that part. Seriously, she can&#8217;t foresee a worth of shit. What she really saying&#8230;</p>
<p>She screwed up, but decided to play cover up, pretending crap on crap.  Stop trying to fool me, that&#8217;s just much as calling people, your own readers a retard.</p>
<p>Fiend Ludwig, it&#8217;s best not to stink your &#8220;image&#8221; with them as deep shit they are in. &#8230;.oh, never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenshi Vielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenshi Vielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely piece, although the jump from immersion to the practice of the Wiccan religion seemed to be a stretch for me. Then again, we&#039;re all doing a bit of stretching lately. Fiend, sweetie, are you up for some Yoga with me?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely piece, although the jump from immersion to the practice of the Wiccan religion seemed to be a stretch for me. Then again, we&#8217;re all doing a bit of stretching lately. Fiend, sweetie, are you up for some Yoga with me?</p>
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		<title>By: metaverse.acidzen.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>metaverse.acidzen.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Crossing the Line&lt;/strong&gt;

You should pay attention to Op/Ed post The New Priests in Second Life Herald. It is a nice analytical view on RL/SL relationship. One comment on the other post summarizes it:
The way many residents feel about SL is that its an *extension* of RL,...
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<p>You should pay attention to Op/Ed post The New Priests in Second Life Herald. It is a nice analytical view on RL/SL relationship. One comment on the other post summarizes it:<br />
The way many residents feel about SL is that its an *extension* of RL,&#8230;</p>
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