Comments on: FBI Investigates Metaverse Casinos http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html Always Fairly Unbalanced Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: nunya http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33400 nunya Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:40:16 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33400 FUCK YOU ONDER. your a fucking moron FUCK YOU ONDER. your a fucking moron

]]> By: Ian Betteridge http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33399 Ian Betteridge Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:29:47 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33399 "It's anologous to the chips only in that you can trade money for the chips. If you can't sell the chips back, then you have worthless chips unless you can find someone willing to buy them from you. Nobody is going to buy your chips unless they are a) rare, b) worth something, or c) provide a function." Or the other option: you're selling them at less than the casino is. Then people have the option to either by chips from the casino for 100 per chip, or you at 90 per chip. People will, of course, by from you. Of course, this only works for winners: If you're cashing out chips that you bought, you're losing money. But if you bought 100 chips and gamed that into 10000, you'd be nuts not to sell them (bar a small stake) for 90 per chip. “It’s anologous to the chips only in that you can trade money for the chips. If you can’t sell the chips back, then you have worthless chips unless you can find someone willing to buy them from you. Nobody is going to buy your chips unless they are a) rare, b) worth something, or c) provide a function.”

Or the other option: you’re selling them at less than the casino is. Then people have the option to either by chips from the casino for 100 per chip, or you at 90 per chip. People will, of course, by from you.

Of course, this only works for winners: If you’re cashing out chips that you bought, you’re losing money. But if you bought 100 chips and gamed that into 10000, you’d be nuts not to sell them (bar a small stake) for 90 per chip.

]]> By: FrankenSense http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33398 FrankenSense Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:04:15 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33398 >Is SL gambling illegal - yes Should it be stopped/does it hurt people - yes Should it be legal if regulated - no Is Linden Lab responsible or liable - no Linden Lab is in no way an enabler of gambling,< Of course they are. They're providing the platform, the currency, the scripting language, the monetary exchange system-- and KNOWINGLY allowing casinos on their board. If they said, "Gambling and casinos are illegal and can result in permaban" and then followed through on that threat, then no, they wouldn't be an enabler. But under the current circumstance, I don't see how anyone can possibly believe that LL isn't responsible. Despite popular fantasy-based opinion, LINDEN LAB IS RESPONSIBLE for knowingly allowing illegal activity to take place on their board. If they go to court and claim "Oh, we didn't know virtual gambling was illegal", first question the prosecutor is going to ask is, "Didn't you have company lawyers to advise you? Are they unable to examine case history?" Is there legal precedence? You bet. Know what happens to a house that is rented to a meth lab? The owner loses the house. Know what happens to a car that you loan to a friend, which is then used to rob a bank? You lose the car. In both cases, you don't even have to be aware what's going on; you're still considered an enabler, and responsible. News flash people: no matter what LL claims in their TOS, they are legally responsible for what happens on their board. There's a ton of case history that has already established that fact. Anyone silly enough to believe otherwise is silly enough to go to jail. >Is SL gambling illegal – yes
Should it be stopped/does it hurt people – yes
Should it be legal if regulated – no
Is Linden Lab responsible or liable – no
Linden Lab is in no way an enabler of gambling,<

Of course they are. They’re providing the platform, the currency, the scripting language, the monetary exchange system– and KNOWINGLY allowing casinos on their board. If they said, “Gambling and casinos are illegal and can result in permaban” and then followed through on that threat, then no, they wouldn’t be an enabler.

But under the current circumstance, I don’t see how anyone can possibly believe that LL isn’t responsible. Despite popular fantasy-based opinion, LINDEN LAB IS RESPONSIBLE for knowingly allowing illegal activity to take place on their board. If they go to court and claim “Oh, we didn’t know virtual gambling was illegal”, first question the prosecutor is going to ask is, “Didn’t you have company lawyers to advise you? Are they unable to examine case history?”

Is there legal precedence? You bet. Know what happens to a house that is rented to a meth lab? The owner loses the house. Know what happens to a car that you loan to a friend, which is then used to rob a bank? You lose the car. In both cases, you don’t even have to be aware what’s going on; you’re still considered an enabler, and responsible.

News flash people: no matter what LL claims in their TOS, they are legally responsible for what happens on their board. There’s a ton of case history that has already established that fact. Anyone silly enough to believe otherwise is silly enough to go to jail.

]]> By: dandellion Kimban http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33397 dandellion Kimban Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:19:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33397 But, as always with internet, what happens with non-U.S. residents. Just yesterday I met a guy in-worls who was building a casino. He wasn't aware of all those new tings about gambling and when I told him in short what is happening he answered: "I don't care. I'm a French." So, can somebody halp me with this I am not lawyer, what happens if I as non-U.S. resident gamble in casino owned by other non-U.S. resident? But, as always with internet, what happens with non-U.S. residents. Just yesterday I met a guy in-worls who was building a casino. He wasn’t aware of all those new tings about gambling and when I told him in short what is happening he answered: “I don’t care. I’m a French.” So, can somebody halp me with this I am not lawyer, what happens if I as non-U.S. resident gamble in casino owned by other non-U.S. resident?

]]> By: Marshal Cahill http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33396 Marshal Cahill Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:10:29 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33396 What is interesting about this is the precedent. Just as gambling is illegal under US law so are a number of other things, which occur in Second Life. As I read this development -once you can establish that the Linden dollar has real value -then US anti-gaming laws apply. Therefore, presumably if you can show any kind of financial loss inworld then US criminal law applies. The question of if US law should apply in virtual worlds has been worked through in numerous law schools over the past few years so maybe LL lawyers should let us know if US law will apply in SL - that might prevent some problems! What is interesting about this is the precedent. Just as gambling is illegal under US law so are a number of other things, which occur in Second Life. As I read this development -once you can establish that the Linden dollar has real value -then US anti-gaming laws apply. Therefore, presumably if you can show any kind of financial loss inworld then US criminal law applies. The question of if US law should apply in virtual worlds has been worked through in numerous law schools over the past few years so maybe LL lawyers should let us know if US law will apply in SL – that might prevent some problems!

]]> By: shockwave yareach http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33395 shockwave yareach Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:49:07 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33395 Marsellus: It's anologous to the chips only in that you can trade money for the chips. If you can't sell the chips back, then you have worthless chips unless you can find someone willing to buy them from you. Nobody is going to buy your chips unless they are a) rare, b) worth something, or c) provide a function. A stack of chips isn't going to help slay the dreaded Frost Dragon, or do anything else except allow a user to gamble a lot. So you won't find anyone to sell them to like you would a rare Blade of Vorpal Bunny Teeth. Marsellus: It’s anologous to the chips only in that you can trade money for the chips. If you can’t sell the chips back, then you have worthless chips unless you can find someone willing to buy them from you. Nobody is going to buy your chips unless they are a) rare, b) worth something, or c) provide a function.

A stack of chips isn’t going to help slay the dreaded Frost Dragon, or do anything else except allow a user to gamble a lot. So you won’t find anyone to sell them to like you would a rare Blade of Vorpal Bunny Teeth.

]]> By: Nacon http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33394 Nacon Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:24 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33394 HAHAHHAHAHA Time to do your homework now, Herald. http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/04/05/advertising-policy-changes/ HAHAHHAHAHA Time to do your homework now, Herald.

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/04/05/advertising-policy-changes/

]]> By: Marsellus Wallace http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33393 Marsellus Wallace Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:13:49 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33393 Hmmm, if you have your facts so straight how come I am on quite often and have been for some time. Both under Marsellus and my alt. More so on my alt. Anyway, I just find it amusing that people who claim I have done nothing, complain the most about me and try to remain anonymous when they do it. If I have done nothing, there is nothing to complain about. I'll let you continue your lil rant though because I find you quite amusing as usual. =) Marsellus Wallace P.S. I love topic derailers. :D Hmmm, if you have your facts so straight how come I am on quite often and have been for some time. Both under Marsellus and my alt. More so on my alt. Anyway, I just find it amusing that people who claim I have done nothing, complain the most about me and try to remain anonymous when they do it. If I have done nothing, there is nothing to complain about. I’ll let you continue your lil rant though because I find you quite amusing as usual. =)

Marsellus Wallace

P.S. I love topic derailers. :D

]]> By: whateva http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33392 whateva Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:12:57 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33392 Marsellus what i stated above was not fun fiction those are facts - you did go around asking people for money when you were in SL and you did leave SL because of RL (those were your own words). Stop trying to pass this off as the reason you left was because of the law LMFGAO! that's all I ask. And your wrong I never heard of you, I knew you thru a mutual friend and seen you personally in game when you made your once a month appearances. I've also had you dealt with several times in game, sometimes unknowingly to you =) P.S. I've been posting under this name for over a year now and will continue to do so because I can - I'm sorry anonymous posters bother you but until Urizenus fixes this to where you can't post anonymously I will use my nickname that most know me as anyway. Besides I would think a genious Godfather that you claim to be would know who I was by now. Marsellus what i stated above was not fun fiction those are facts – you did go around asking people for money when you were in SL and you did leave SL because of RL (those were your own words). Stop trying to pass this off as the reason you left was because of the law LMFGAO! that’s all I ask. And your wrong I never heard of you, I knew you thru a mutual friend and seen you personally in game when you made your once a month appearances. I’ve also had you dealt with several times in game, sometimes unknowingly to you =)

P.S. I’ve been posting under this name for over a year now and will continue to do so because I can – I’m sorry anonymous posters bother you but until Urizenus fixes this to where you can’t post anonymously I will use my nickname that most know me as anyway. Besides I would think a genious Godfather that you claim to be would know who I was by now.

]]> By: Marsellus Wallace http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/fbi_considers_p.html/comment-page-1#comment-33391 Marsellus Wallace Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:07:52 +0000 http://localhost/wp_2/?p=1372#comment-33391 I love the anonymous posters who never provide fact, just fun fiction. =) They always get so animated over someone who supposedly never did anything. It's like Jack Sparrow says in Pirates of the Carribean when the captain tells him he is the worst pirate he has ever heard of. Jack replies, "Ahhh, but you have heard of me." Now, back to the topic at hand... Shockwave, there will always exist a black market for items that people want that have value. Just because e-bay shut down World of Warcraft currency trade (among other games) does not mean someone right now is not gold farming and selling the virtual currency. I think the idea of tokens is a good one in theory, but it really is no different than going into a casino and buying playing chips. Technically, those chips are worth nothing. The casino says they are worth something though. Marsellus Wallace I love the anonymous posters who never provide fact, just fun fiction. =) They always get so animated over someone who supposedly never did anything. It’s like Jack Sparrow says in Pirates of the Carribean when the captain tells him he is the worst pirate he has ever heard of. Jack replies, “Ahhh, but you have heard of me.”

Now, back to the topic at hand… Shockwave, there will always exist a black market for items that people want that have value. Just because e-bay shut down World of Warcraft currency trade (among other games) does not mean someone right now is not gold farming and selling the virtual currency. I think the idea of tokens is a good one in theory, but it really is no different than going into a casino and buying playing chips. Technically, those chips are worth nothing. The casino says they are worth something though.

Marsellus Wallace

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