You do know what friends are dont you? or do you think thats a conspiracy too? lol

1) yes the group is closed, but hardly any activity, if any, goes on in the Group IMs or Notices.

2) you involved me once you posted everyones names, so yes, as any person would do, I take offence to your opinions.

3) you are foul mouthed and have no argument when it came to the convosation inworld, as your only concern is ‘THE GROUP IS CLOSED, THE GROUP IS CLOSED!!!’ I mean (and I take this from you) ‘DUH’ so the hell what? Its the Lindens choice in the matter to have it open to the public, but you seem to blame us all.

4) Your patronising nature ‘Champ’ just shows how you’d handle being in any group/activity, spouting off the same monotonous garble, for example…. DUH, ITS A CLOSED GROUP… ITS A SECRET GROUP!!!! HELLO? – you remind me of a teenaged girl with a sugar addiction when you say that…

5) This is all I got from you as well as making fun of my SL name (which incedentally, had nothing to do with the argument), which basically shows the type of person I am dealing with here. Plus shouting, bawling, cursing, and picking at minor strange things that, again, had nothing to do with it… All your argument was that you had the facts straight, I didn’t and again DUH, ITS A CLOSED GROUP… ITS A SECRET GROUP!!!! which really isnt a call for this much argument.

6) Only teenie boppers or high strung people tend to use and, from the word go, as much foul language as you did, nit picking at everything you could lay your hands on to try and offend me more… personally someone that results to “who the fuck are you? with your geek ass name?” is just as sad and idiotic as what you branded the whole group as.

I suggest you see a doctor.

Leading to my final point, that I’ve been in the group since it started, out of curiosity and not through the paranoid delusions you seem to have announced and branded everyone within as. YES I have taken a personaly offence to your words, yes I’ve only just come into this argument/chat because I’m not a forum-hound (if anyone doesnt understand why I call this misinformed fool this, just check every SL forum on the internet) like you are… and if its this much trouble to actually do something in SL and not have it obstructed and played out of proportion, then its just not worth it at all.

I was hoping for the certs to be something fun that everyone could partake in, much like the real world. Second Life is growing and more companies are coming to find their place among us, isnt it a little right that they should know what and who they’re dealing with, so they dont get ripped off?

But, its not heading to a point that where as thinks are looking like it will be something that everyone will want to do… like VoiceChat, you dont have to do it, you wont have to worry about your Certs, if people have them, who cares?? what is all this leading to? who knows… But one damn thing I am not taking is being branded by someone thats only known for moaning.

Before you go see your doctor though, maybe you’d like to go back to grade school and learn some manners. Or atleast how to actually hold an argument with more than one ‘fact’…

DUH, ITS A CLOSED GROUP… ITS A SECRET GROUP!!!! HELLO????

P.S. False accusations… hmmm, maybe you should look up the meaning of that, seeing as your first reply to me had no relevance to what I was talking about on the wiki.

1) it is not open to the public. Duh much? Are you going to be leaving now? I don’t think so!
2) it is not even visible to the public to see who these um vaunted certs are
3) name-calling and insults are exactly what you use on people who harass you inworld, and make false accusations against you, claiming nastily that you “don’t have the facts” and that “next time” you need to “get the facts”. Um…where did I *not* get the facts? It’s a secret group. It is closed. It is run by Lindens and their pets. It is not visible. These *are* the facts. If the wiki of weeks ago had some names put on it that people put, and that remains open precisely because it’s a wiki and that’s one thing the Lindens *cannot* get away with closing, what of it? People will not easily find this wiki, which as we speak, could be getting edited away.
4) I don’t care if I’m “foul-mouthed” to people who make false accusations against me and blatantly lie in my face. They surely deserve a verbal slap in the face. You are astoundingly obdurate about the truth here: the group is closed and invisible HELLO??? This requires a real offensive. We cannot have de-facto residence governance snuck in like this with first Volunteers being given excessive powers by hint and implication to police people, then “the certified ones” getting a leg-up on jobs, bids, contests, the economy, the blog, whatever. No thanks! This has to be opposed at every turn! Too bad if you don’t like it! The same freedom you wish to invoke to have such a retarded thing is the freedom by which those of us vigorously opposed — and there are many of us! — will be making our concerns known. And I for one, intend to be in-your-face, aggressive, and vulgar about it precisely to give you the full in-your-face feel of just how vulgar it is to me and others to have little asstards lord it over us.
5) If you are only in this group to watch it because you are concerned about any kind of pay-per-access SL when it comes to the economy, as others have said, um, why did it take so long to show up??? Why didn’t you leave yet??? And I suspect that the same vanity that makes you name-drop on your inworld profile is driving your desire to be in this group, which you hope for form’s sake and vanity’s sake to “look better” and “not be so objectionable” but which at the end of the day, you stay in — to make sure you’re with the cool kids when the door closes on everybody else.

People who support this insidious system and benefit from it now, hob-knobbing with Lindens and adding luster to their lame effort, can only blame themselves when it turns out to be either restrictive to the economy and creativity in general, or just terribly lame and stupid.

After talking with you inworld, Prokofy, you are rude and defensive thats only facts were name calling and insults. My statement were that I was offended to be put in this bracket by someone that doesnt know most the people in the group. The reasoning behind WHY the group is closed, is because it is Linden run, but you then go on to your SLworld-known name calling, putting everyone under the spot light because of something that noone, besides the Lindens, can do about it….

Personally, if I knew I and the others were going to get bad-mouthed, I would never of joined, but I am not standing by idoly, having myself put in a hole.

Like I said, after talking with you inworld, you can act all ‘Intellectual’ in forums, but you’re a discusting, foul mouthed opportunist that feels it necessary to comment on everything your not a part of. Like I said, check my comments on the wiki discussion, I was hoping for this to be a better thing, but as its going, its pointless inwhich noone will probably partake in. And, I will more than likely remove myself from the group before its done. Because noone, including myself wants to pay for something that you can only use as a ‘right of passing’ within SL.

And yes, I asked myself why I’m on the ‘retard’ list and I came up with this answer:

Because I wanted my say, just like you always need yours.

P.S. I dont want to be certified. The group is closed because its controlled by the Lindens. Its not in the publics best interest, there are far more other concerns that could be delt with. MY interest ONLY goes so far in it, because on the most part, I dont agree with some of the things thats happening. Again, the members are invisible because of the Lindens and I couldnt care less if it was a gold standard or not.

Like in-world and as I SAY ON THE WIKI, I only wanted to see that residents get a fair chance and it doesnt become a ‘whos who of Second Life’. Clients will still go off a portfolio if they seek creative minds, so certs are redundant on this fact. I dont see the point in it, but I would like to see what the outcome is….

The list was indeed secret for the longest time; eventually, under pressure, it was shown.

Inworld, in the group called SL Certification Devs, population 197, the group is a) CLOSED and b) SECRET. You can’t know who is in it! You just “have to know” that there is a wiki somewhere. How? Nothing tells you that on the group. You spot people showing up at an office hour, a meeting, a rumble somewhere, with SL Certification Devs on themselves, but…who authorized them? How did they get to be “certified”? By whom? How? Where? And how can others do this?

Here’s what I wrote, BTW:

“I don’t trust this particular bunch of self-seeking opportunists, racketeers, and SC thugs to make any kind of fair institution. It contains people of good reputation on it, who joined it even in fear of being left out. That’s sad”

So you might be a) self-seeking opportunity; b) a racketeer; c) a thug; d) a person of good reputation who joined out of fear of being left out.

Ermmm I’m gonna go with door no. A on this one. You read this and didn’t pick “d” or explain that you in fact didn’t join out of fear to contradict me but…did you?

What you and so many others don’t get is that I disagree with the Party line; I don’t buy what you’re saying; and I have a different opinion about which is based on long observation of the shilling for the Lindens that fanboyz do, and the privileging of picked pets that the Lindens do. And this is an obvious, obvious example.

This was heavily debated all over; many people pointed out that even software companies don’t have credibility doing this with more neutral software; to be doing this with skills inside an interactive social world like a country is just preposterous and corporativist.

Ask yourself why you are on the retard list. Ask yourself frankly why is it in the public interest, and not just YOUR interest. Ask yourself why the group is closed, and the members invisible inworld, if it is to be uhhhh a gold standard of developedness and joyness and certifiedness.

You seem to be the first person to comment on anything and everything on any subject, not actually knowing any true information regarding this… if you’re going to try and publically insult myself by putting me under some kind of ‘retard list’ as some describe it, then I really think you need to take a look at yourselves.

I personally joined the cert group because I wanted to have some word about making it available to everyone if it should go ahead, which it will, without your bitching or not. I only hope it doesnt turn ito a money making scheme, as I’ll leave the group before that happens…

NEXT TIME PROKOFY, check up on who you are blasting before you put anyone, including my name down as ‘self-seeking opportunists, racketeers, and SC thugs’, as you yourself comes under the same title, I dont know your work, and I doubt I’ll ever want to, with the amount of ‘self-seeking’ jibberish you announce to the world.

coco

coco

I love how all these closed door shenanigans get to blamed on their own “bugs”.

bugs that don’t seem to happen anywhere else but in this new open and transparent group

*snorts*

its CLOSED cuz its CLOSED on PURPOSE. The group titles are given out such as they are: ON PURPOSE

bugs, my cute round ass