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		<title>By: Zmajrhx</title>
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		<title>By: Hazim Gazov</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nbkvqfk</title>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Alexandra, how&#039;s the forums psychiatry biz?

LL just endorsed a bunch of services, and yes, they all have negative characterizations somewhere.

It&#039;s like the way they endorse the odious Second Citizen, calling it a mere &quot;social site&quot; under their new CONNECTIONS section. Ugh!

You&#039;re going to be seriously overtaken by events by things like this.

da Truf: PROTIP! Don&#039;t use a nick if you wish to be taken seriously! and here&#039;s a telegram: ATTN: DA TRUF STOP. ALLANA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONTRARIAN BITCH STOP. LONG BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN STOP. THE TRUTH HURTS STOP. BEST, PROKOFY STOP

BTW, Facts on File: I have left 11 comments on other people. 63 percent of them are positive. None of them are about Allana...yet! Most of them are SL musicians, builders, and my favourite Lindens, and most are positive. A few are about grief-builders and a nasty landlord. Nothing very fascinating. Just testing out the system.

I could arrange to use it more, though : )





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Alexandra, how&#8217;s the forums psychiatry biz?</p>
<p>LL just endorsed a bunch of services, and yes, they all have negative characterizations somewhere.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the way they endorse the odious Second Citizen, calling it a mere &#8220;social site&#8221; under their new CONNECTIONS section. Ugh!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re going to be seriously overtaken by events by things like this.</p>
<p>da Truf: PROTIP! Don&#8217;t use a nick if you wish to be taken seriously! and here&#8217;s a telegram: ATTN: DA TRUF STOP. ALLANA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONTRARIAN BITCH STOP. LONG BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN STOP. THE TRUTH HURTS STOP. BEST, PROKOFY STOP</p>
<p>BTW, Facts on File: I have left 11 comments on other people. 63 percent of them are positive. None of them are about Allana&#8230;yet! Most of them are SL musicians, builders, and my favourite Lindens, and most are positive. A few are about grief-builders and a nasty landlord. Nothing very fascinating. Just testing out the system.</p>
<p>I could arrange to use it more, though : )</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Serrati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Serrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t see much coming from this. If a limited group of people keeps a web-accessible database of their various affections/animosities towards other people in SL, it only differs in persistency from posts in a forum or blog, and the fact that even reading the ratings comes with costs practically guarantees that it will be simply another parlor-game where gossip can be bantered.

It would be different if LL endorsed this service as part of SL, or if this service would gain credibility otherwise, but as it is competing rating sites can be set up easily enough, and potential corporate customers for the incidental publicity stunt of having the opening of a SL-presence reported in serious media are unlikely to rely on a source with practically no significance.

If people are willing to pay the operator of this service for yet another avenue for gossiping, then more power to him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see much coming from this. If a limited group of people keeps a web-accessible database of their various affections/animosities towards other people in SL, it only differs in persistency from posts in a forum or blog, and the fact that even reading the ratings comes with costs practically guarantees that it will be simply another parlor-game where gossip can be bantered.</p>
<p>It would be different if LL endorsed this service as part of SL, or if this service would gain credibility otherwise, but as it is competing rating sites can be set up easily enough, and potential corporate customers for the incidental publicity stunt of having the opening of a SL-presence reported in serious media are unlikely to rely on a source with practically no significance.</p>
<p>If people are willing to pay the operator of this service for yet another avenue for gossiping, then more power to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Hexx Triskaidekaphobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hexx Triskaidekaphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ratings say nothing about building skills, or social skills. Good thing they are going to be ditched. And anyone who feels the need to show some appreciation for someone else, can just as easily give them L$ 25,- (or L$ 10,-, or L$ 100,-, or whatever).

This isn&#039;t highschool, miss Prokofy, where grades count for something.
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<p>This isn&#8217;t highschool, miss Prokofy, where grades count for something.</p>
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		<title>By: Da Truf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Prokofy, it&#039;s pretty fucking funny that you accuse someone of being a &quot;troll&quot; and then become the troll yourself by calling the same person a &quot;contrarian bitch&quot;.  PROTIP: the fact that someone disagrees with you openly does not mean that they are persecuting you.

However I&#039;m thankful you&#039;ve finally laid it bare.  I&#039;ve been reading your insane rantings for a few months now, and I&#039;ve always just wondered if I just wasn&#039;t patient enough to read your posts all the way through (twice as long as needed, irrelevant side rants, etc).  This blatant hypocrisy is irrefutable proof that you are no better than anyone you slander.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Prokofy, it&#8217;s pretty fucking funny that you accuse someone of being a &#8220;troll&#8221; and then become the troll yourself by calling the same person a &#8220;contrarian bitch&#8221;.  PROTIP: the fact that someone disagrees with you openly does not mean that they are persecuting you.</p>
<p>However I&#8217;m thankful you&#8217;ve finally laid it bare.  I&#8217;ve been reading your insane rantings for a few months now, and I&#8217;ve always just wondered if I just wasn&#8217;t patient enough to read your posts all the way through (twice as long as needed, irrelevant side rants, etc).  This blatant hypocrisy is irrefutable proof that you are no better than anyone you slander.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloe Stradling</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just kinda want my money back for all the ratings they just made worthless. Sure, it&#039;s only about 500-700, but, I don&#039;t like having thingas I paid for wiped out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just kinda want my money back for all the ratings they just made worthless. Sure, it&#8217;s only about 500-700, but, I don&#8217;t like having thingas I paid for wiped out.</p>
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		<title>By: Allana Dion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allana Dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;Hey, I really need to visit your store, find your objects, and rate this shit out of you&quot;

&gt;&quot;I&#039;m glad my friend Shaun Altman got $99 out of you&quot;

See the final update toward the end of the post, and I&#039;m done.
http://www.allanadion.com/?p=93
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>&#8221;Hey, I really need to visit your store, find your objects, and rate this shit out of you&#8221;</p>
<p>>&#8221;I&#8217;m glad my friend Shaun Altman got $99 out of you&#8221;</p>
<p>See the final update toward the end of the post, and I&#8217;m done.<br />
<a href="http://www.allanadion.com/?p=93" rel="nofollow">http://www.allanadion.com/?p=93</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of rating someone and writing up comments about them on some website is highschoolish, it&#039;s myspace kiddie drama.

I agree. I rarely take the time to bother with things like that. I don&#039;t have a MySpace, and I can&#039;t keep up with slprofiles.com, it&#039;s just too boring. As soon as I saw it was merely a device for Flipper or Spin to show off how many friends they could make, I lost interest. Nothing interesting is said really.

It&#039;s precisely because I don&#039;t like these things that I wrote &quot;I&#039;m personally liking Shaun Altman&#039;s SLrealreps.com&quot;

Do you have any idea how long this has been out, Allana? Shaun invented and posted this thing probably six months ago or more.

If I was the payola type and boosting my friends, the way people do in SL all the time, don&#039;t you think I would have blogged it, woven it into stories, put it on my profile, and boosted it a million times BEFORE NOW? DUH?

Instead, when I was writing about something ELSE, which was the Lindens removal of content (the main story) and commenting on Jeska&#039;s picks, I *corrected* what was an obvious omission by putting in Shaun&#039;s thing.

Your desire to make hay and drama over this only makes YOU look bad. Hey, I really need to visit your store, find your objects, and rate this shit out of you : )

&gt;The reason the old positive ratings worked for awhile (and yes there was a time when it was actually really popular, waaaaayyy back) was because the idea behind it was to compliment someone&#039;s skills or behavior. If you really admired someone&#039;s build, you rated their building skills. If someone helped you in some way or performed a kindness, you rated their behavior. If you saw someone with a really amazing avatar you rated their appearance.

yeah, but you can&#039;t just have a life of Pollyannas and happy little trees in the corner. Positive means nothing if you can&#039;t have negative. If you can&#039;t negrate a lousy builder or prefab maker who has just bilked you, the posrate you give a talented and helpful person means nothing.

&gt;Back when it was possible to neg rate someone, it was nothing but a griefing tool. People could do things like track down someone and triple neg rate them and leave and never have to explain themselves.

No, it was a useful tool, that scared ninnies and thin-skinned children on the forums who were shocked that they had even one negrate from people less than thrilled with their bullying and capering on the forums worked very hard to remove. It was a great system. I&#039;m proud to have given Philip Linden himself one of only 8 negrates on his avatar -- for GOMing the GOM. He should have had thousands. You people aer spineless nits.

&gt;A shop owner would ban someone from their land for some awful behavior and be neg rated for it by that person and there was no choice but to accept it. It was gamed and useless for everyone but the assholes who gamed it.

Good! I think it was a useful corrective. Everyone knows people banned from land leave negates. So? In some cases, the negrates are legitimate. If someone has 1000 posrates and 3 negrates or even 30, so what? Everyone realises those are just from malcontents or wierdos. Except...maybe not. And if 300 start to accrue, then you realize where there is smoke, there is fire!

&gt;Getting rid of the ratings is not a sudden decision. I know it feels that way for people who are fairly new, even those less than a year old. But the fact is that the Lindens have been saying they would eventually phase out the ratings system for quite awhile now. What they probably should have done when they made the announcement, was reminded people of that rather than chalking it up to a database issue.

What&#039;s annoying is that they bilked $25 out of everybody for months while they tested all their idiotic crowd-sourcing &quot;yessing&quot; stuff. It&#039;s like the voter, where you can only vote &quot;yes&quot;. They wanted to see if there was &quot;emergent behaviour&quot; and whether people so valued the plussing they&#039;d pay $25 for it. And lots did. Way more than expected. But not enough to keep it.

&gt;As I mentioned in the Linden Blog, the majority of these new resident created ratings systems are mere toys, they have little to no impact on anyone who doesn&#039;t choose to participate.

And...that&#039;s the case of Shaun&#039;s, believe it or not. So why are your knickers in a twist?

&gt;But Slrealreps is a griefer tool. It is designed to be one. The person who created it knows the damage it can do and intentionally designed it that way, in my opinion. Throughout this I have been stunned that it would be something Prokofy, who speaks out against griefing and for the protection of people&#039;s rights so often, would actually not only use but support.

OH, that&#039;s utter bullshit. I can leave comments about people on slreps.com I can leave comments on Twitter. I can leave comments on their blog or my blog or hire a blimp, for God&#039;s sake. Why all this sudden girly nervousness about the modern equivalent of slambooks? They are as old as humanity. You cannot stop them. And you cannot stop freedom of the press, either, so please get off that train. I&#039;d never speak out for the protection of privacy trumping the protection of free speech. That&#039;s ridiculous. And privacy is vulnerable to those who are scraping data in commercial interests. Those speaking out against bad actors in SL if anything are trying to both protect commercial interests of their own, and their own reputations, and try to prevent others from libeling them without recourse.

Trolling, trolling, trolling, Allana, and being a contrarian bitch. It doesn&#039;t fly, as you&#039;ve only attracted more readership to slrealreps.com than it might ever have had. I&#039;m glad my friend Shaun Altman got $99 out of you : )

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of rating someone and writing up comments about them on some website is highschoolish, it&#8217;s myspace kiddie drama.</p>
<p>I agree. I rarely take the time to bother with things like that. I don&#8217;t have a MySpace, and I can&#8217;t keep up with slprofiles.com, it&#8217;s just too boring. As soon as I saw it was merely a device for Flipper or Spin to show off how many friends they could make, I lost interest. Nothing interesting is said really.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s precisely because I don&#8217;t like these things that I wrote &#8220;I&#8217;m personally liking Shaun Altman&#8217;s SLrealreps.com&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have any idea how long this has been out, Allana? Shaun invented and posted this thing probably six months ago or more.</p>
<p>If I was the payola type and boosting my friends, the way people do in SL all the time, don&#8217;t you think I would have blogged it, woven it into stories, put it on my profile, and boosted it a million times BEFORE NOW? DUH?</p>
<p>Instead, when I was writing about something ELSE, which was the Lindens removal of content (the main story) and commenting on Jeska&#8217;s picks, I *corrected* what was an obvious omission by putting in Shaun&#8217;s thing.</p>
<p>Your desire to make hay and drama over this only makes YOU look bad. Hey, I really need to visit your store, find your objects, and rate this shit out of you : )</p>
<p>>The reason the old positive ratings worked for awhile (and yes there was a time when it was actually really popular, waaaaayyy back) was because the idea behind it was to compliment someone&#8217;s skills or behavior. If you really admired someone&#8217;s build, you rated their building skills. If someone helped you in some way or performed a kindness, you rated their behavior. If you saw someone with a really amazing avatar you rated their appearance.</p>
<p>yeah, but you can&#8217;t just have a life of Pollyannas and happy little trees in the corner. Positive means nothing if you can&#8217;t have negative. If you can&#8217;t negrate a lousy builder or prefab maker who has just bilked you, the posrate you give a talented and helpful person means nothing.</p>
<p>>Back when it was possible to neg rate someone, it was nothing but a griefing tool. People could do things like track down someone and triple neg rate them and leave and never have to explain themselves.</p>
<p>No, it was a useful tool, that scared ninnies and thin-skinned children on the forums who were shocked that they had even one negrate from people less than thrilled with their bullying and capering on the forums worked very hard to remove. It was a great system. I&#8217;m proud to have given Philip Linden himself one of only 8 negrates on his avatar &#8212; for GOMing the GOM. He should have had thousands. You people aer spineless nits.</p>
<p>>A shop owner would ban someone from their land for some awful behavior and be neg rated for it by that person and there was no choice but to accept it. It was gamed and useless for everyone but the assholes who gamed it.</p>
<p>Good! I think it was a useful corrective. Everyone knows people banned from land leave negates. So? In some cases, the negrates are legitimate. If someone has 1000 posrates and 3 negrates or even 30, so what? Everyone realises those are just from malcontents or wierdos. Except&#8230;maybe not. And if 300 start to accrue, then you realize where there is smoke, there is fire!</p>
<p>>Getting rid of the ratings is not a sudden decision. I know it feels that way for people who are fairly new, even those less than a year old. But the fact is that the Lindens have been saying they would eventually phase out the ratings system for quite awhile now. What they probably should have done when they made the announcement, was reminded people of that rather than chalking it up to a database issue.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s annoying is that they bilked $25 out of everybody for months while they tested all their idiotic crowd-sourcing &#8220;yessing&#8221; stuff. It&#8217;s like the voter, where you can only vote &#8220;yes&#8221;. They wanted to see if there was &#8220;emergent behaviour&#8221; and whether people so valued the plussing they&#8217;d pay $25 for it. And lots did. Way more than expected. But not enough to keep it.</p>
<p>>As I mentioned in the Linden Blog, the majority of these new resident created ratings systems are mere toys, they have little to no impact on anyone who doesn&#8217;t choose to participate.</p>
<p>And&#8230;that&#8217;s the case of Shaun&#8217;s, believe it or not. So why are your knickers in a twist?</p>
<p>>But Slrealreps is a griefer tool. It is designed to be one. The person who created it knows the damage it can do and intentionally designed it that way, in my opinion. Throughout this I have been stunned that it would be something Prokofy, who speaks out against griefing and for the protection of people&#8217;s rights so often, would actually not only use but support.</p>
<p>OH, that&#8217;s utter bullshit. I can leave comments about people on slreps.com I can leave comments on Twitter. I can leave comments on their blog or my blog or hire a blimp, for God&#8217;s sake. Why all this sudden girly nervousness about the modern equivalent of slambooks? They are as old as humanity. You cannot stop them. And you cannot stop freedom of the press, either, so please get off that train. I&#8217;d never speak out for the protection of privacy trumping the protection of free speech. That&#8217;s ridiculous. And privacy is vulnerable to those who are scraping data in commercial interests. Those speaking out against bad actors in SL if anything are trying to both protect commercial interests of their own, and their own reputations, and try to prevent others from libeling them without recourse.</p>
<p>Trolling, trolling, trolling, Allana, and being a contrarian bitch. It doesn&#8217;t fly, as you&#8217;ve only attracted more readership to slrealreps.com than it might ever have had. I&#8217;m glad my friend Shaun Altman got $99 out of you : )</p>
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