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		<title>By: Robitusin with codeine.</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33041</link>
		<dc:creator>Robitusin with codeine.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Somas do they have codeine in them.&lt;/strong&gt;

Cocaine and codeine. Buy 222 with codeine. Codeine. Buy codeine online.
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<p>Cocaine and codeine. Buy 222 with codeine. Codeine. Buy codeine online.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33040</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As the author of &quot;Gay, Bejeweled Nazi Bikers of Gor&quot;, every now and then I Google the title to see what response it brings, and this led me here.

I&#039;m glad to see people are enjoying its manly modalities.

Muchly.&quot;

No shit o_o  I thought that story was hilariously brilliant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As the author of &#8220;Gay, Bejeweled Nazi Bikers of Gor&#8221;, every now and then I Google the title to see what response it brings, and this led me here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see people are enjoying its manly modalities.</p>
<p>Muchly.&#8221;</p>
<p>No shit o_o  I thought that story was hilariously brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Verisillius</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33039</link>
		<dc:creator>Verisillius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the author of &quot;Gay, Bejeweled Nazi Bikers of Gor&quot;, every now and then I Google the title to see what response it brings, and this led me here.

I&#039;m glad to see people are enjoying its manly modalities.

Muchly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the author of &#8220;Gay, Bejeweled Nazi Bikers of Gor&#8221;, every now and then I Google the title to see what response it brings, and this led me here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see people are enjoying its manly modalities.</p>
<p>Muchly.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33038</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anshe Chung already has covenants in Dreamland that *already* forbid the use of any device to spy on people.&quot;

Eyes are banned from Ansheland.  All people entering Ansheland must turn off their monitors.

&quot;When you do .... I will post my name.&quot;

That was bad ass.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anshe Chung already has covenants in Dreamland that *already* forbid the use of any device to spy on people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eyes are banned from Ansheland.  All people entering Ansheland must turn off their monitors.</p>
<p>&#8220;When you do &#8230;. I will post my name.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was bad ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33037</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prokofy, I will be taking no advice from someone that actually thinks that name given to a bunch of &lt;b&gt;pixels&lt;/b&gt; gives out as far as reputation and credibility is concerned.

Do &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; respond in the future if all you can do is spew the same tired, mindless, slack jawed drivel.

&lt;b&gt;You&lt;/b&gt; understand &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; as to the way the internet - of which Second Life is a part - works. You seem to think there is a difference between an AI and a person. Guess what? The only difference is that an AI does the work &lt;b&gt;faster&lt;/b&gt;. Yes, some AI programs are bad - a &lt;b&gt;search&lt;/b&gt; AI however is not one of them.

There are standards that &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; be met - eventually you&#039;ll be seeing the use of code lists within objects, lists the AI &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; be programmed to read. If they do not do this, &lt;b&gt;then&lt;/b&gt; you have a case.

You have trounced &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; Prokofy - &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;/ Your argument amounts to a matter that has &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; been resolved: Human vs. AI - If this information had been collected by a single person (possible but hard to do) or a large number of people ... you still would have had the exact same issue with it. Drop the act. It does not matter who or what has collected the information at all.

Oh - and by the by, you seem to continue attempting to justify this as an &quot;invasion of Privacy&quot; ... Kindly try that again when you are capable of uploading your entire consciousness to the Internet and to Second Life.

As to your recent response to another commenter: You cannot have sex with anyone in Second Life either - An Avatar is about as real as the text flowing in a messaging program such as YIM, MSN, AIM/AOL ... &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; of them. When you have a better grasp on what is real and what is not, then and only then will you be able to make an argument concerning an opt-in SL search.

Until then you are nothing more than a truly pathetic person, pretending to understand the internet. As if that was not bad enough you have the audacity to call &lt;b&gt;anyone&lt;/b&gt; anonymous ... Put up (post with a &lt;b&gt;real&lt;/b&gt; name, not the tag for your pixels) or shut up.

When you do .... &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; will post &lt;/b&gt;my&lt;/b&gt; name.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prokofy, I will be taking no advice from someone that actually thinks that name given to a bunch of <b>pixels</b> gives out as far as reputation and credibility is concerned.</p>
<p>Do <b>not</b> respond in the future if all you can do is spew the same tired, mindless, slack jawed drivel.</p>
<p><b>You</b> understand <b>nothing</b> as to the way the internet &#8211; of which Second Life is a part &#8211; works. You seem to think there is a difference between an AI and a person. Guess what? The only difference is that an AI does the work <b>faster</b>. Yes, some AI programs are bad &#8211; a <b>search</b> AI however is not one of them.</p>
<p>There are standards that <b>must</b> be met &#8211; eventually you&#8217;ll be seeing the use of code lists within objects, lists the AI <b>must</b> be programmed to read. If they do not do this, <b>then</b> you have a case.</p>
<p>You have trounced <b>nothing</b> Prokofy &#8211; <b><i>nothing</i></b>/ Your argument amounts to a matter that has <b>never</b> been resolved: Human vs. AI &#8211; If this information had been collected by a single person (possible but hard to do) or a large number of people &#8230; you still would have had the exact same issue with it. Drop the act. It does not matter who or what has collected the information at all.</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and by the by, you seem to continue attempting to justify this as an &#8220;invasion of Privacy&#8221; &#8230; Kindly try that again when you are capable of uploading your entire consciousness to the Internet and to Second Life.</p>
<p>As to your recent response to another commenter: You cannot have sex with anyone in Second Life either &#8211; An Avatar is about as real as the text flowing in a messaging program such as YIM, MSN, AIM/AOL &#8230; <b>all</b> of them. When you have a better grasp on what is real and what is not, then and only then will you be able to make an argument concerning an opt-in SL search.</p>
<p>Until then you are nothing more than a truly pathetic person, pretending to understand the internet. As if that was not bad enough you have the audacity to call <b>anyone</b> anonymous &#8230; Put up (post with a <b>real</b> name, not the tag for your pixels) or shut up.</p>
<p>When you do &#8230;. <b>I</b> will post my name.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33036</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pablo, we&#039;ve been over all this. Read all the threads. You can&#039;t have sex with a Google page. End of story.

You&#039;ve got it completely wrong about Anshe Chung, because you&#039;re just on tekkie default hate mode. Anshe Chung already has covenants in Dreamland that *already* forbid the use of any device to spy on people. It&#039;s very clearly stated right on the land now, the covenant is something you not just get in a notecard, but on the actual land menu. Everybody there knows it is enforced, even for visitors. And so it was. Anshe hardly has to go consult with every person who *already* agreed to these terms when they rented.

There&#039;s no need to put CAPCHA crap on every parcel. There&#039;s a need to put a lid on Grid Shepherd. Why should every parcel have to change what it is doing. The Sheep, who are still human beings, need to change what THEY are doing. They need to have an opt-in search, not an opt-out search.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo, we&#8217;ve been over all this. Read all the threads. You can&#8217;t have sex with a Google page. End of story.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got it completely wrong about Anshe Chung, because you&#8217;re just on tekkie default hate mode. Anshe Chung already has covenants in Dreamland that *already* forbid the use of any device to spy on people. It&#8217;s very clearly stated right on the land now, the covenant is something you not just get in a notecard, but on the actual land menu. Everybody there knows it is enforced, even for visitors. And so it was. Anshe hardly has to go consult with every person who *already* agreed to these terms when they rented.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to put CAPCHA crap on every parcel. There&#8217;s a need to put a lid on Grid Shepherd. Why should every parcel have to change what it is doing. The Sheep, who are still human beings, need to change what THEY are doing. They need to have an opt-in search, not an opt-out search.</p>
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		<title>By: Pathetic</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33035</link>
		<dc:creator>Pathetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chunk is at it again!
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-4#comment-33034</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I don&#039;t know if you ever bothered to read the little question mark pop up next to the publish to web button, but it&#039;s functions are entirely different from what you think (or hope) they are. &quot;Selecting the publish on the web option allows us to publish your name, image, and &#039;about&#039; text on the Second Life Website.&quot;

Uh--YUH I did. DER.

Um, I realize it&#039;s a mental stretch for you Artemis, but try to grasp what&#039;s being said here.

Currently, these buttons are pretty nigh useless. that&#039;s because the search on their website they connect up to is uber sucky. They can&#039;t seem to realize that they need to make it just like the ingame search, with the proximity issue solved. I type &quot;Ravenglass Rentals&quot; and I get kasha. They need to fix the Boolean thing. And not sure why they haven&#039;t. Perhaps it&#039;s a dbase load.

But WHEN they do, it will be great. AND then your checking off or not will pay off. You will be in it if you check; if you do NOT want to be &quot;published to the website&quot; then you won&#039;t be. And that&#039;s a heluva big difference than the Sheep Scrape which does not ask, takes, and publishes, and forces you to opt-out.

In fact, I suspect the Lindens aren&#039;t &quot;done&quot; with this or are distracted or something. They just haven&#039;t focused on it. WHEN they do, and if they hook their website up to some grown-up place like Amazon.com&#039;s servers that will work better, then walla, we will have a better, community-driven search.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I don&#8217;t know if you ever bothered to read the little question mark pop up next to the publish to web button, but it&#8217;s functions are entirely different from what you think (or hope) they are. &#8220;Selecting the publish on the web option allows us to publish your name, image, and &#8216;about&#8217; text on the Second Life Website.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8211;YUH I did. DER.</p>
<p>Um, I realize it&#8217;s a mental stretch for you Artemis, but try to grasp what&#8217;s being said here.</p>
<p>Currently, these buttons are pretty nigh useless. that&#8217;s because the search on their website they connect up to is uber sucky. They can&#8217;t seem to realize that they need to make it just like the ingame search, with the proximity issue solved. I type &#8220;Ravenglass Rentals&#8221; and I get kasha. They need to fix the Boolean thing. And not sure why they haven&#8217;t. Perhaps it&#8217;s a dbase load.</p>
<p>But WHEN they do, it will be great. AND then your checking off or not will pay off. You will be in it if you check; if you do NOT want to be &#8220;published to the website&#8221; then you won&#8217;t be. And that&#8217;s a heluva big difference than the Sheep Scrape which does not ask, takes, and publishes, and forces you to opt-out.</p>
<p>In fact, I suspect the Lindens aren&#8217;t &#8220;done&#8221; with this or are distracted or something. They just haven&#8217;t focused on it. WHEN they do, and if they hook their website up to some grown-up place like Amazon.com&#8217;s servers that will work better, then walla, we will have a better, community-driven search.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Andalso</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-3#comment-33033</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Andalso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite silly how people are complaining about a bot scanning and providing information, given the search-based nature of &quot;Web 2.0&quot;. SL is a &quot;closed system,&quot; in that you have to sign up, etc., etc., but that doesn&#039;t really technically distinguish it from the World Wide Web as a whole--the LL ToS are essentially on the same plane as those of an ISP. Therefore, how is Grid Shepherd any different from the Google Bot? It may be disconcerting to find Google link to a &quot;private&quot; blog (as has happened to me) or [gasp] use up server resources without paying, but its ubiquity has reached the point of defining the internet. So, for comparison, what if Google opened up another tab in their website called &quot;Google SL&quot;? All trademark issues aside, this wouldn&#039;t be any different from that other invader of privacy, the automated HTTP bot that serves their main search engine.

Maybe the technical disjuncture (that distinguishing factor) arises from the fact that we don&#039;t see SL as just another internet service. We see it as a facsimile of Real Life, where privacy is based on trust and legal restrictions. On the World Wide Web, privacy is entirely technical. A private website has a guest-list, not a ban-list, and anything else is fair game. However, selective permission (as opposed to selective banning) is opposed by the vast majority of the people here.

If you really want to stop a bot from violating perceived (but not actual) privacy, you have to make the privacy formally defined, and therefore enforceable. Perhaps an estate may have a covenant that says &quot;you can&#039;t go in and look at peoples&#039; stuff without their permission,&quot; or &quot;this is a &#039;residential&#039; sim, so all plot owners must use guest-list style security.&quot; You may have a policy like that of nearly every physical store on the planet: prices cannot be reported outside the store without permission from the management. Policies like these, if they were actually included as Terms of Service for a particular parcel, would be enforceable. Banning a bot from an entire region without consulting each individual parcel owner (or explicitly announcing it in the covenant), as Anshe Chung Studios has done, is an example of the powers that be acting above the law. Basically, if you do indeed control &quot;the law,&quot; as ACS does, you should implement a broader policy that all tenants agree to upon renting. Imposing a policy outside of the lease agreement would be illegal in Real Life and is, at the very least, very annoying in Second Life.

Or perhaps parcel owners could have those &quot;please type the text from the above garbled image&quot; things that so many websites seem to be using before someone would be allowed to enter a given parcel. It would be dreadfully annoying, but it would certainly rid the grid of bots until they implemented optical character recognition.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite silly how people are complaining about a bot scanning and providing information, given the search-based nature of &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243;. SL is a &#8220;closed system,&#8221; in that you have to sign up, etc., etc., but that doesn&#8217;t really technically distinguish it from the World Wide Web as a whole&#8211;the LL ToS are essentially on the same plane as those of an ISP. Therefore, how is Grid Shepherd any different from the Google Bot? It may be disconcerting to find Google link to a &#8220;private&#8221; blog (as has happened to me) or [gasp] use up server resources without paying, but its ubiquity has reached the point of defining the internet. So, for comparison, what if Google opened up another tab in their website called &#8220;Google SL&#8221;? All trademark issues aside, this wouldn&#8217;t be any different from that other invader of privacy, the automated HTTP bot that serves their main search engine.</p>
<p>Maybe the technical disjuncture (that distinguishing factor) arises from the fact that we don&#8217;t see SL as just another internet service. We see it as a facsimile of Real Life, where privacy is based on trust and legal restrictions. On the World Wide Web, privacy is entirely technical. A private website has a guest-list, not a ban-list, and anything else is fair game. However, selective permission (as opposed to selective banning) is opposed by the vast majority of the people here.</p>
<p>If you really want to stop a bot from violating perceived (but not actual) privacy, you have to make the privacy formally defined, and therefore enforceable. Perhaps an estate may have a covenant that says &#8220;you can&#8217;t go in and look at peoples&#8217; stuff without their permission,&#8221; or &#8220;this is a &#8216;residential&#8217; sim, so all plot owners must use guest-list style security.&#8221; You may have a policy like that of nearly every physical store on the planet: prices cannot be reported outside the store without permission from the management. Policies like these, if they were actually included as Terms of Service for a particular parcel, would be enforceable. Banning a bot from an entire region without consulting each individual parcel owner (or explicitly announcing it in the covenant), as Anshe Chung Studios has done, is an example of the powers that be acting above the law. Basically, if you do indeed control &#8220;the law,&#8221; as ACS does, you should implement a broader policy that all tenants agree to upon renting. Imposing a policy outside of the lease agreement would be illegal in Real Life and is, at the very least, very annoying in Second Life.</p>
<p>Or perhaps parcel owners could have those &#8220;please type the text from the above garbled image&#8221; things that so many websites seem to be using before someone would be allowed to enter a given parcel. It would be dreadfully annoying, but it would certainly rid the grid of bots until they implemented optical character recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/sheep_warned_af.html/comment-page-3#comment-33032</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These two boxes say &quot;publish to web&quot;. If unchecked, then scanners, the Lindens, or corporate scanners, can use the information on the person or land. If checked, they cannot gather it.&quot;

I don&#039;t know if you ever bothered to read the little question mark pop up next to the publish to web button, but it&#039;s functions are entirely different from what you think (or hope) they are.  &quot;Selecting the publish on the web option allows us to publish your name, image, and &#039;about&#039; text on the Second Life Website.&quot;

&quot;No need to buy your expense dumbass product&quot;

Oh sorry, were you trying to buy that and disappointed you couldn&#039;t find it?  &#039;Fraid to tell you that it is what is known in the scientific field as a &quot;Joke&quot;, or in layman&#039;s terms &quot;not serious&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These two boxes say &#8220;publish to web&#8221;. If unchecked, then scanners, the Lindens, or corporate scanners, can use the information on the person or land. If checked, they cannot gather it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you ever bothered to read the little question mark pop up next to the publish to web button, but it&#8217;s functions are entirely different from what you think (or hope) they are.  &#8220;Selecting the publish on the web option allows us to publish your name, image, and &#8216;about&#8217; text on the Second Life Website.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No need to buy your expense dumbass product&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh sorry, were you trying to buy that and disappointed you couldn&#8217;t find it?  &#8216;Fraid to tell you that it is what is known in the scientific field as a &#8220;Joke&#8221;, or in layman&#8217;s terms &#8220;not serious&#8221;.</p>
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