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		<title>By: Karen Palen</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-2#comment-32166</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Palen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just finished a &quot;dialog&quot; with Robin Linden over being ejected from land SOLELY because my avatar was &quot;too short&quot;.

It seems that this is quite acceptable!

Also banning other &quot;genetic inferiors&quot; like Jews, &quot;non-Aryans&quot; and the like just so long as it is done &quot;discretely&quot; - an overt &quot;Nazi&quot; gets banned quickly, but if you are careful and make sure you are only a &quot;white supremacist&quot; (or some such)who actually OWNS the island then you are fine.

Why do I have a problem with this?

Am I the only one?

Karen
4ft tall in SL AND in RL!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just finished a &#8220;dialog&#8221; with Robin Linden over being ejected from land SOLELY because my avatar was &#8220;too short&#8221;.</p>
<p>It seems that this is quite acceptable!</p>
<p>Also banning other &#8220;genetic inferiors&#8221; like Jews, &#8220;non-Aryans&#8221; and the like just so long as it is done &#8220;discretely&#8221; &#8211; an overt &#8220;Nazi&#8221; gets banned quickly, but if you are careful and make sure you are only a &#8220;white supremacist&#8221; (or some such)who actually OWNS the island then you are fine.</p>
<p>Why do I have a problem with this?</p>
<p>Am I the only one?</p>
<p>Karen<br />
4ft tall in SL AND in RL!</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-2#comment-32165</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;4. CHATLOGS. Are the Lindens planning on giving Island Overlords 24/7 access to all chatlogs on their servers now? Because that&#039;s what you need to do an effective abuse policing operation. Is that right? No? Then will they stop prosecuting the circulation of chatlogs that people make in their search for justice?

Answer: from Robin&#039;s office hours. No, LL will not give island owners chat log access.

And the issue of ceasing prosecution is not answered -- yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>4. CHATLOGS. Are the Lindens planning on giving Island Overlords 24/7 access to all chatlogs on their servers now? Because that&#8217;s what you need to do an effective abuse policing operation. Is that right? No? Then will they stop prosecuting the circulation of chatlogs that people make in their search for justice?</p>
<p>Answer: from Robin&#8217;s office hours. No, LL will not give island owners chat log access.</p>
<p>And the issue of ceasing prosecution is not answered &#8212; yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-2#comment-32164</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, most people who claim that they will set it only to 96 often err and set it to affect the entire parcel, nay, the entire island. I&#039;ve had many times when a tenant using these things, which I allow to be set only at 250 m2 above ground level, block everyone on the island from being able to return home or visit because they&#039;ve been unable or unwilling to regulate the settings.

In fact -- gosh, guess what! -- while the sensor has 96 m2, in fact, it senses people coming on the island and successfully repels them from the entire island, imagine, they can&#039;t get past the telehub area. We&#039;ve seen this happen many times.

Giving a warning first is no excuse. The warning is almost never enough. And a warning can&#039;t help someone who is chronically, over and over again, subjected to this abuse *merely by having bought land next to these orb owners*. That&#039;s wrong.

Sure, they ahve different timers, warnings, and responses. They are all bad. They are all griefing tools. They all subject people to unreasonable restrictions and punishments *merely for proximity*. That&#039;s wrong.

99 percent of the people using them do not set them to operate only in one room; even when they do, they mess up on the settings now and then and that effect is undone quite often.

Uninvited people are a problem, and you have the right to repel them. But THIS method that punishes mere passers by and NEIGHBOURS is the worst. What happens with this is that the paranoid fucktards using them aren&#039;t of the mindset to INCLUDE their neighbours on the list so as to mitigate the awful effect.

No one should get to push or TP home my avatar merely because they don&#039;t want intrusion on their land. A ban wall, an access-only wall is reasonable. Orbs are not.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, most people who claim that they will set it only to 96 often err and set it to affect the entire parcel, nay, the entire island. I&#8217;ve had many times when a tenant using these things, which I allow to be set only at 250 m2 above ground level, block everyone on the island from being able to return home or visit because they&#8217;ve been unable or unwilling to regulate the settings.</p>
<p>In fact &#8212; gosh, guess what! &#8212; while the sensor has 96 m2, in fact, it senses people coming on the island and successfully repels them from the entire island, imagine, they can&#8217;t get past the telehub area. We&#8217;ve seen this happen many times.</p>
<p>Giving a warning first is no excuse. The warning is almost never enough. And a warning can&#8217;t help someone who is chronically, over and over again, subjected to this abuse *merely by having bought land next to these orb owners*. That&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>Sure, they ahve different timers, warnings, and responses. They are all bad. They are all griefing tools. They all subject people to unreasonable restrictions and punishments *merely for proximity*. That&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>99 percent of the people using them do not set them to operate only in one room; even when they do, they mess up on the settings now and then and that effect is undone quite often.</p>
<p>Uninvited people are a problem, and you have the right to repel them. But THIS method that punishes mere passers by and NEIGHBOURS is the worst. What happens with this is that the paranoid fucktards using them aren&#8217;t of the mindset to INCLUDE their neighbours on the list so as to mitigate the awful effect.</p>
<p>No one should get to push or TP home my avatar merely because they don&#8217;t want intrusion on their land. A ban wall, an access-only wall is reasonable. Orbs are not.</p>
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		<title>By: shockwave yareach</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32163</link>
		<dc:creator>shockwave yareach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The script doesn&#039;t operate &quot;on your VR bedroom&quot; but throughout your entire property, so that someone could be many meters from your &quot;VR bedroom&quot; and be dinged, barked at like they came to the Soviet Gulag and told they&#039;ll be shot if they don&#039;t move, then pushed and shoved and TP&#039;d home.&quot;

Prok, I have to wonder at this moment just how little you know about what you speak of.  My defenses cover just my room and a little outside of it (all within the ship so no exterior is affected).  The owner of an orb can set it to whatever radius they want to protect but can only detect out to 96m radius - a limit brought about by the max range of llSensor().  It cannot cover the entire land.  People wanting to cover entire areas turn on their Ban Lines, not Orbs.  Orbs cost money whereas bans are free.

Some orbs Push the trespasser (and yes, intentional or not, they are trespassing) away.  Some teleport them home.  Some open fire with weaponry, though not many because that&#039;s rather pointless.  Almost all I&#039;ve encountered give a warning first.  The only issues I have with people using orbs is when they set them to cover public areas inadvertantly, which is a violation of the TOS (and considered a type of griefing).

My bed and its (lack of) sexballs isn&#039;t the issue.  The fact that I can have one place in RL and SL that I can retreat to and no one else can follow without my permission is appealing.  Hey, I pay the bills, so I can have a private retreat if I wish.  I don&#039;t abuse it, I carefully use it just as I would any potentially hazardous item (I dont wanna get AR&#039;d), and I don&#039;t leave its controls unlocked so passersby can cause mischief with it.  Until you start splitting the cost of the game with me, you have no say in what I do with the area I possess.  And likewise, I have no say in what you do in yours.  If you don&#039;t want to be TP&#039;d home then leave an area when the ball says to because it&#039;s not going to debate with you.

If you believe that uninvited bots are an invasion in some places, then you understand that uninvited people off the street are just as much an invasion in the same locales.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The script doesn&#8217;t operate &#8220;on your VR bedroom&#8221; but throughout your entire property, so that someone could be many meters from your &#8220;VR bedroom&#8221; and be dinged, barked at like they came to the Soviet Gulag and told they&#8217;ll be shot if they don&#8217;t move, then pushed and shoved and TP&#8217;d home.&#8221;</p>
<p>Prok, I have to wonder at this moment just how little you know about what you speak of.  My defenses cover just my room and a little outside of it (all within the ship so no exterior is affected).  The owner of an orb can set it to whatever radius they want to protect but can only detect out to 96m radius &#8211; a limit brought about by the max range of llSensor().  It cannot cover the entire land.  People wanting to cover entire areas turn on their Ban Lines, not Orbs.  Orbs cost money whereas bans are free.</p>
<p>Some orbs Push the trespasser (and yes, intentional or not, they are trespassing) away.  Some teleport them home.  Some open fire with weaponry, though not many because that&#8217;s rather pointless.  Almost all I&#8217;ve encountered give a warning first.  The only issues I have with people using orbs is when they set them to cover public areas inadvertantly, which is a violation of the TOS (and considered a type of griefing).</p>
<p>My bed and its (lack of) sexballs isn&#8217;t the issue.  The fact that I can have one place in RL and SL that I can retreat to and no one else can follow without my permission is appealing.  Hey, I pay the bills, so I can have a private retreat if I wish.  I don&#8217;t abuse it, I carefully use it just as I would any potentially hazardous item (I dont wanna get AR&#8217;d), and I don&#8217;t leave its controls unlocked so passersby can cause mischief with it.  Until you start splitting the cost of the game with me, you have no say in what I do with the area I possess.  And likewise, I have no say in what you do in yours.  If you don&#8217;t want to be TP&#8217;d home then leave an area when the ball says to because it&#8217;s not going to debate with you.</p>
<p>If you believe that uninvited bots are an invasion in some places, then you understand that uninvited people off the street are just as much an invasion in the same locales.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32162</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The orb scripts should be deprecated or at the very list, declared unlawful and a violation of the TOS, as they shoot people merely because they fly by a parcel that has them deployed, regardless of whether they are merely passing by, or whether they are in fact &quot;griefing&quot;.

Just because you have a hysterical paranoia about making sure nobody goes on your sex balls doesn&#039;t mean you get to use what amounts to a weapon to push people half way around the world home, and even crash their games. It&#039;s overkill.

The script doesn&#039;t operate &quot;on your VR bedroom&quot; but throughout your entire property, so that someone could be many meters from your &quot;VR bedroom&quot; and be dinged, barked at like they came to the Soviet Gulag and told they&#039;ll be shot if they don&#039;t move, then pushed and shoved and TP&#039;d home.

Put a script around your VR bedroom if it&#039;s so important to protect, don&#039;t put it around the entire land, making the landscape a menace not only to fly or walk near or through, but even to merely live next door to. I&#039;m not at all interested in my neighbours&#039; bedrooms, but if they deploy scripts like this, merely because I wish to have a room next door to them, I&#039;m subjected to constant bouncing, warning, and harassment. It needs to get gone. It has no place in a civilized world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The orb scripts should be deprecated or at the very list, declared unlawful and a violation of the TOS, as they shoot people merely because they fly by a parcel that has them deployed, regardless of whether they are merely passing by, or whether they are in fact &#8220;griefing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just because you have a hysterical paranoia about making sure nobody goes on your sex balls doesn&#8217;t mean you get to use what amounts to a weapon to push people half way around the world home, and even crash their games. It&#8217;s overkill.</p>
<p>The script doesn&#8217;t operate &#8220;on your VR bedroom&#8221; but throughout your entire property, so that someone could be many meters from your &#8220;VR bedroom&#8221; and be dinged, barked at like they came to the Soviet Gulag and told they&#8217;ll be shot if they don&#8217;t move, then pushed and shoved and TP&#8217;d home.</p>
<p>Put a script around your VR bedroom if it&#8217;s so important to protect, don&#8217;t put it around the entire land, making the landscape a menace not only to fly or walk near or through, but even to merely live next door to. I&#8217;m not at all interested in my neighbours&#8217; bedrooms, but if they deploy scripts like this, merely because I wish to have a room next door to them, I&#8217;m subjected to constant bouncing, warning, and harassment. It needs to get gone. It has no place in a civilized world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32161</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:: Security Orbs violating rights

Oh please.  Placing an orb near my private quarters, giving you a warning to leave and then moving you away if you don&#039;t leave is hardly violating your rights.  Land and who is and isn&#039;t allowed onto it is a private property issue.  Whoever pays the bills gets to decide what happens there.  I can surround the place with red banlines, I can leave everything completely open, or I can allow visitors to all but a small area.  I choose the latter because it is more in keeping with the openness and free spirit of SL without completely giving up all concept of personal area.

Those who don&#039;t like it should just stay away from my VR bedroom, because I&#039;m fussy about who is admitted to my inner sanctum.  I don&#039;t mind people looking around but a couple of places are restricted to my group and my friends.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:: Security Orbs violating rights</p>
<p>Oh please.  Placing an orb near my private quarters, giving you a warning to leave and then moving you away if you don&#8217;t leave is hardly violating your rights.  Land and who is and isn&#8217;t allowed onto it is a private property issue.  Whoever pays the bills gets to decide what happens there.  I can surround the place with red banlines, I can leave everything completely open, or I can allow visitors to all but a small area.  I choose the latter because it is more in keeping with the openness and free spirit of SL without completely giving up all concept of personal area.</p>
<p>Those who don&#8217;t like it should just stay away from my VR bedroom, because I&#8217;m fussy about who is admitted to my inner sanctum.  I don&#8217;t mind people looking around but a couple of places are restricted to my group and my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32160</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hi, I&#039;m not able to come to the forums right now, but please leave a message with your RL phone number and I will call you back as soon as possible. I&#039;m working on a blog on the evils of the tekkie mind right now and it&#039;s likely to answer many of your questions and address some of your concerns. We&#039;re continuing to work to make the Second Life experience an enjoyable one for everyone!&quot;

Above text translated from Prok-speak: &quot;Hi, I&#039;ve run out of clever things to say at this time and cannot be bothered to find new material for continued responses. Instead I shall prove just how delusional I am about my place in the world and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt just how deranged I am by typing up a long diatribe aimed at a group of people I was scorned by. In addition I will further prove my lack of sanity by calling such people who have this knowledge that I do not &#039;evil&#039; in the hope that others like myself rally to my call.&quot;

Please: Try something new and exciting. I know, act like you actually do have a grip on reality!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hi, I&#8217;m not able to come to the forums right now, but please leave a message with your RL phone number and I will call you back as soon as possible. I&#8217;m working on a blog on the evils of the tekkie mind right now and it&#8217;s likely to answer many of your questions and address some of your concerns. We&#8217;re continuing to work to make the Second Life experience an enjoyable one for everyone!&#8221;</p>
<p>Above text translated from Prok-speak: &#8220;Hi, I&#8217;ve run out of clever things to say at this time and cannot be bothered to find new material for continued responses. Instead I shall prove just how delusional I am about my place in the world and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt just how deranged I am by typing up a long diatribe aimed at a group of people I was scorned by. In addition I will further prove my lack of sanity by calling such people who have this knowledge that I do not &#8216;evil&#8217; in the hope that others like myself rally to my call.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please: Try something new and exciting. I know, act like you actually do have a grip on reality!</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32159</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I have a better one for you - How about responses to the &#039;evils&#039; of being a deluded twit such as yourself?

Hi, I&#039;m not able to come to the forums right now, but please leave a message with your RL phone number and I will call you back as soon as possible. I&#039;m working on a blog on the evils of the tekkie mind right now and it&#039;s likely to answer many of your questions and address some of your concerns. We&#039;re continuing to work to make the Second Life experience an enjoyable one for everyone!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I have a better one for you &#8211; How about responses to the &#8216;evils&#8217; of being a deluded twit such as yourself?</p>
<p>Hi, I&#8217;m not able to come to the forums right now, but please leave a message with your RL phone number and I will call you back as soon as possible. I&#8217;m working on a blog on the evils of the tekkie mind right now and it&#8217;s likely to answer many of your questions and address some of your concerns. We&#8217;re continuing to work to make the Second Life experience an enjoyable one for everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32158</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I make profits in SL.&quot;

Sorry, not the correct answer - yet again. Your &#039;profits&#039; are not a share of Linden Lab&#039;s profits.

&quot;Do you? Is that what&#039;s troubling you? The lack of anything interesting and compelling for yourself in RL or SL?&quot;&quot;

Hmm? What was that I read? The rambling and unrelated questions of someone so lost, so small, such a literal &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; that requires said person to live with the delusion that they own something that they do not and therefore must make up reasons to justify in their own little mind why they still cling to such delusions which move in the face of business and reality?

&quot;I&#039;m getting ready to do a blog on the evils of tekkie mentality, and I&#039;ll just keep it on my forums answering machine tape to answer posts like this from now on.&quot;

I have a better one for you - How about responses to the &#039;evils&#039; of being a deluded twit such as yourself?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I make profits in SL.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, not the correct answer &#8211; yet again. Your &#8216;profits&#8217; are not a share of Linden Lab&#8217;s profits.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you? Is that what&#8217;s troubling you? The lack of anything interesting and compelling for yourself in RL or SL?&#8221;"</p>
<p>Hmm? What was that I read? The rambling and unrelated questions of someone so lost, so small, such a literal <b>nothing</b> that requires said person to live with the delusion that they own something that they do not and therefore must make up reasons to justify in their own little mind why they still cling to such delusions which move in the face of business and reality?</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m getting ready to do a blog on the evils of tekkie mentality, and I&#8217;ll just keep it on my forums answering machine tape to answer posts like this from now on.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a better one for you &#8211; How about responses to the &#8216;evils&#8217; of being a deluded twit such as yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/04/you_rule_second.html/comment-page-1#comment-32157</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Oh - and in case you actually think you do have any ownership rights at all to Second Life: contact Linden Lab and request your cut of their profits, access to all of their data ... indeed any and everything they would be required to share with a true partner ....

I make profits in SL. Do you? Is that what&#039;s troubling you? The lack of anything interesting and compelling for yourself in RL or SL?

I&#039;m getting ready to do a blog on the evils of tekkie mentality, and I&#039;ll just keep it on my forums answering machine tape to answer posts like this from now on.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Oh &#8211; and in case you actually think you do have any ownership rights at all to Second Life: contact Linden Lab and request your cut of their profits, access to all of their data &#8230; indeed any and everything they would be required to share with a true partner &#8230;.</p>
<p>I make profits in SL. Do you? Is that what&#8217;s troubling you? The lack of anything interesting and compelling for yourself in RL or SL?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting ready to do a blog on the evils of tekkie mentality, and I&#8217;ll just keep it on my forums answering machine tape to answer posts like this from now on.</p>
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