Learn how to troll properly for fuck sake.

as u can tell im slightly fucked off, do ya know how many hundreds thousands lindens i invested in my account

god every time one of u american scum dies it brings fucking happyness to my fucking life i really hope tomorrow ur all fucking dead,

Fuck U Fuck Off

The word for that is hypocrisy!

For example, exactly WHAT *IS* the “simulated age” of an avatar?

When this whole fuss started I discussed this with a 50 year old woman who is 4ft tall in real life.

She claimed that the real discrimination was not age but height! If you are 4ft tall you *MUST* be a child – no debate allowed!

I have had the privilege of knowing this woman for over 20 years now and have had the opportunity to witness this discrimination first hand.

At her suggestion (insistence?) I adopted her “persona” as my Second life Persona – Karen Palen.

I can now personally bear witness to the pain she faces every day!

Dumb things like having her 25 year old daughter told to “make your child behave”! Serious things like not being believed when she reports an attempted rape.

The fact is that “freedom of thought” means nothing unless the most extreme and upsetting thoughts are protected!

I have nowhere the contribution to Second Life that others of like mind do, but I too and leaving until such time as things change.

However as a Venture Capitalist by trade I can do something to see that an alternative is created!

This won’t happen overnight, but it IS in progress!

See http://www.ourstage.com/ for an example of one such project we are already finding. A truly “ungameable” music and video rating system!

Just imagine if Second Life was truly controlled by the users in this way and not controlled by a few loudmouthed pressure groups!

This is why I like Cube Linden. Man, he is EXPLICIT.

Yes, a reference to your gender that did not state your gender.

No rewrite of history on my part, asshole, that’s your territory, rewriting, fabricating, and making all sorts of wild ass accusations based upon mere speculation.

I agree. While I by no means condone AgePlay, Linden Lab has made it very clear to users that exposing personal information or IM communications is forbidden and is considered a breach of TOS. IF such is the case… whether that information is exposed in-world, on a blog somewhere else, or in a private letter from one person to another would constitute a breach of TOS and punishable according to standard LL policy. If anything, I would say that LL has not been strict enough on such invasions of privacy.

1. linden posts on his transgender account pissed off by an article by blogger.

2. linden logs into linden account and threatens bannage if blogger dont delete blog (pointing to some other articles).

3. blogger does not step down, linden admits defeat and tires to hide the fact of (1)

the story has nothing to do with age-play, rather very interesting look at what alternate accoutns and lindens could lead to abuse.

honey wedt has posted a detailed article on the timeline and what role Meta Linden played. this is very troubling.

http://honeywendt.blogspot.com/2007/05/dear-linden-lab-is-this-what-you-call.html

I’m with coco on this

what a fookin mess.

Of course it’s my *right* base arguments on suppositions, that’s rational. This story isn’t conjecture, however, but a record of actual blog postings and chat logs. You’re imagining it is somehow speculative just because you wish it to be — nice try, though!

>Let’s face it all the supposed facts we are hearing about this whole situations is based on some words posted on a web page and claimed as fact. Is it all true or not, I’m in no position to make that supposition. Until I am given proof, legal proof, this remains simply drama, which you happen to thrive on.

Uh, well…let’s see. I *could* take the very long “dialogue” I had with this Linden inworld and see if I could somehow get it notarized as a chat log, but I don’t see any need to publish a private conversation between 2 people that wasn’t in a public meeting. I don’t know what *would* constitute proof to your satisfaction, but given that this Linden apologized and retracted her warning, and also posted here, I figure it’s as good as it gets. I don’t see anything being denied whatsoever. This is just one of those manipulative distraction techniques. Maybe you and csven have been attending the same weekend propaganda seminars : )

>I was glad to see Artemis, my old friend, posting still. I also noticed you have chosen to ignore her. Remind you of someone else you choose to ignore after you couldn’t make logical replies to her questions?

I’ve hardly ignored Artemis. I’ve answered everything she’s thrown at me. I don’t see any stone left unturned. She’s claimed that my posting number and date stamp at Second Citizen somehow “makes me a member of the tribe” or “implicates me with the tribe Second Citizen,” but as I’ve often explained, I don’t belong to the tribe, I refuse to take the imposed avatar, and I post there in response to attacks on myself. I do not start threads, or participate in threads on some other subject than the attacks on myself and griefing of myself. I figure it’s the least I can do to defend myself.

Artemis has behaved despiccably to me for ages. Urizenus finally even upbraided her. And finally the tumblers clicked in my head, and I called her on what I think is “up” with this shit, and I think judging from her silence since then, I was on the money.

>I would side with Meta on this, even though I don’t know as a Linden or as her main char., I simply realize people do, and are prone to, making mistakes once in awhile. Some of us are willing to admit this, others aren’t.

Meta is no newbie, whatever her new status as a Linden. She felt she could use her Linden powers to accomplish what her resident account could not, full stop. The concept of sincerity and making mistakes can’t be implied or attributed here because the trail is clear: trying to silence a blogger and trying to force them into political correctness.

>Such narrow mindedness does not win debates or discussions. Let’s try to keep our thoughts centered and not try to be “The Winner” or “Savior”.

Erm, my thoughts are all very centered, thank you very much. When Lindens abuse the power of office and thuggishly begin to pressure people with things like TOS warnings and takedown notices outside their TOS jurisdiction, you bet I’m going to scream. It’s too bad I don’t have more company doing this. Your friend Second Citizen is strangely silent, too. Interesting, that. I can just bet that if a Linden appeared to tell Second Citizen to take down the material that discloses my RL information since that’s a violation of the TOS, the howling would be heard across the land. None of you have any grasp or notion of principle.

>I will gladly be the optimistic person I have always been.

>BTW Prok, I don’t expect a reply, remember you said you would ignore me from now on, which has been quite a few years ago
And to Artemis, welcome to Prok’s ignore list

I will go on ignoring your efforts to try to rewind a debate already intellectually won by those like me who can expose the lie of BDSM. I don’t have the time to keep playing back the tape. Go back to the old pages of the Herald. Or read everything about the latest version of this diabolical perversion of reality, the “ageplay” gambit.

Are we to forget that you, by your own admission, was recruited into BDSM at the age of 17?

Artemis isn’t “on ignore,” but let’s hope she’s finally been put in her place.