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	<title>Comments on: Robin Linden&#8217;s Broadly Offensive Behavior Office Hour</title>
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		<title>By: Kryss Wanweird</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28522</link>
		<dc:creator>Kryss Wanweird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderator:

My previous post on this article is misplaced, it belongs to another thread. Please remove. Thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator:</p>
<p>My previous post on this article is misplaced, it belongs to another thread. Please remove. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kryss Wanweird</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28521</link>
		<dc:creator>Kryss Wanweird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cute!
I&#039;ll make one for me and give out copies to my friends :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cute!<br />
I&#8217;ll make one for me and give out copies to my friends <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Vargas. But notice two things about this &quot;representative government&quot; in Eve Online: 1) the company will pay all expenses to fly them to Iceland to do this oversight function; 2) the power gamers or Eve version of FIC are likely to be on the committee.

No. 2 is hard to avoid starting out in a democracy, but no. 1 is wrong and shouldnt&#039; be done. They need to eat the dogfood and use the new social media itself to do the oversight, and save the cost, or pay for their own costs.

LL does something like this, they pay all expenses for their select group of 8 FIC types to come and talk to them in their program called SL Views, which I&#039;ve heavily criticized. It has no legitimacy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Vargas. But notice two things about this &#8220;representative government&#8221; in Eve Online: 1) the company will pay all expenses to fly them to Iceland to do this oversight function; 2) the power gamers or Eve version of FIC are likely to be on the committee.</p>
<p>No. 2 is hard to avoid starting out in a democracy, but no. 1 is wrong and shouldnt&#8217; be done. They need to eat the dogfood and use the new social media itself to do the oversight, and save the cost, or pay for their own costs.</p>
<p>LL does something like this, they pay all expenses for their select group of 8 FIC types to come and talk to them in their program called SL Views, which I&#8217;ve heavily criticized. It has no legitimacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Vargas Cleanslate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28519</link>
		<dc:creator>Vargas Cleanslate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why exactly can&#039;t LL set up a representative government?  eve online seems to be doing so:  http://www.3pointd.com/20070607/eve-online-to-get-player-led-oversight-panel/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why exactly can&#8217;t LL set up a representative government?  eve online seems to be doing so:  <a href="http://www.3pointd.com/20070607/eve-online-to-get-player-led-oversight-panel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.3pointd.com/20070607/eve-online-to-get-player-led-oversight-panel/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28518</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the video creates a different and possibly better impression than all the stuff read on it up until now, from the LL speeches, the website, etc. It portrays a picture of needy students who got a lift by getting scholarships, advice, connections to help them do better and get into college and find business opportunities. It&#039;s a kind of mentoring and aid program, and that&#039;s all to the good.

As always, I have questions though, as I still don&#039;t see a) the overarching ideal that we should ascribe to -- integration and internationalism and universality? or promotion of identity to reach equality? and b) what is the national policy we should have growing out of this -- why is it that high schools aren&#039;t coping with these issues with existing state funding.

I don&#039;t know how the social services are in California, but in New York City, I can only say that a high school student in a public school could not likely be telling a story of hunger and not having food because she could go to her free public school breakfast and lunch, and also get into programs for dinner, too, if her parents were low income or on welfare.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the video creates a different and possibly better impression than all the stuff read on it up until now, from the LL speeches, the website, etc. It portrays a picture of needy students who got a lift by getting scholarships, advice, connections to help them do better and get into college and find business opportunities. It&#8217;s a kind of mentoring and aid program, and that&#8217;s all to the good.</p>
<p>As always, I have questions though, as I still don&#8217;t see a) the overarching ideal that we should ascribe to &#8212; integration and internationalism and universality? or promotion of identity to reach equality? and b) what is the national policy we should have growing out of this &#8212; why is it that high schools aren&#8217;t coping with these issues with existing state funding.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how the social services are in California, but in New York City, I can only say that a high school student in a public school could not likely be telling a story of hunger and not having food because she could go to her free public school breakfast and lunch, and also get into programs for dinner, too, if her parents were low income or on welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the person that posted below my previous post is really Prokofy,  I applaud you very loudly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the person that posted below my previous post is really Prokofy,  I applaud you very loudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prokofy said: &quot;do we want everyone taught Bondage 101? I sure don&#039;t. And I simply think that it has to be resisted at this level now, to be kept out of the public domain now, or those argueing from the liberal perspective of tolerance for the public domain will pull a sleight of hand and inflict their values on the public domain and restrict its freedoms.&quot;

But here&#039;s where you undermine yourself. By your own statements, you lead us to believe that you do not wish to incorporate any aspect of BDSM in your life. And yet, even without BDSM, you come across as a raving lunatic. You kinda make BDSM look good in comparison ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prokofy said: &#8220;do we want everyone taught Bondage 101? I sure don&#8217;t. And I simply think that it has to be resisted at this level now, to be kept out of the public domain now, or those argueing from the liberal perspective of tolerance for the public domain will pull a sleight of hand and inflict their values on the public domain and restrict its freedoms.&#8221;</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s where you undermine yourself. By your own statements, you lead us to believe that you do not wish to incorporate any aspect of BDSM in your life. And yet, even without BDSM, you come across as a raving lunatic. You kinda make BDSM look good in comparison <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
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		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; as Csven has been doing threatening me over a swingset.&quot;

I guess it&#039;s true. She can&#039;t stop talking about me. I&#039;m feeling really creeped out. People have been IM&#039;ing me their theories and... ugh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; as Csven has been doing threatening me over a swingset.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s true. She can&#8217;t stop talking about me. I&#8217;m feeling really creeped out. People have been IM&#8217;ing me their theories and&#8230; ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/06/robin_lindens_b.html/comment-page-1#comment-28514</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear from you, humdog! Where have you been hiding?

You were so right about the intrusiveness and data-scraping of virtual world companies.

But you&#039;re wrong about what&#039;s happening now. Here&#039;s why:

&gt;the Linden desire to tell grownups what to do strikes
me as protofascist.

The Lindens didn&#039;t tell grownups what to do. They themselves decided what they wished to remove or limit to avoid litigation and avoid loss of the service to Germans and other EU citizens. There are more Europeans than Americans now in SL.

They are telling people to assume responsibility for compliance with their own laws with their own adult content. Far from telling people what to do, they&#039;re making them take responsibility. It&#039;s up to us to abuse report what we find &quot;broadly offensive&quot;. Therefore our collective task now, whether fin, fish, FIC, or fowl, is to say: we will not abuse report anymore, full stop.

This is one thing we can all unite against, even those of us who hate factions of each other&#039;s. You don&#039;t have to like Gor or BDSM, or you don&#039;t have to like the much-maligned and exaggerated &quot;Christan right&quot; (almost non-existence in SL) to all agree about a simple act of human solidarity across the board: do not inform on your neighbour. Do not abuse report.

All coercive states rely on one thing: the ability of citizens to undermine human solidarity and inform on one another. If everybody decides not to abuse report anything, the Lindens have no fodder for their arbitrary police enforcement.

If people are not willing to give up abuse reporting and persuade others to do so, they have absolutely no case when they whine and snivel that somebody is &quot;making&quot; them do something.

So the only thing proto-fascist here is some fanboyz who will abuse report others, or intimidate people like me who have been outspoken, as Csven has been doing threatening me over a swingset.

&gt;the Linden desire to inflict american mainstream values on non mainstream americans and non-americans strikes me as imperialist.

Um, where&#039;s the infliction of American mainstream values? Seriously, humdog, clime off your high horse, turn off the reaction machine, and LOOK at where this came from. NOT AMERICA. It came from secular and sleazy Europe, eh? Not Moral Majority American but Immoral Minority Europe.

Please, take the rant about moral majorities elsewhere. The Europeans made them do it.

&lt;there is the first amendment of the US Bill of Rights:
and it says in part Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech.

&gt;the Lindens are not bigger than the Bill of Rights.

No, but the EU is. The EU has no First Amendment concept. Their concept of free speech is more restricted than ours.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear from you, humdog! Where have you been hiding?</p>
<p>You were so right about the intrusiveness and data-scraping of virtual world companies.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re wrong about what&#8217;s happening now. Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>>the Linden desire to tell grownups what to do strikes<br />
me as protofascist.</p>
<p>The Lindens didn&#8217;t tell grownups what to do. They themselves decided what they wished to remove or limit to avoid litigation and avoid loss of the service to Germans and other EU citizens. There are more Europeans than Americans now in SL.</p>
<p>They are telling people to assume responsibility for compliance with their own laws with their own adult content. Far from telling people what to do, they&#8217;re making them take responsibility. It&#8217;s up to us to abuse report what we find &#8220;broadly offensive&#8221;. Therefore our collective task now, whether fin, fish, FIC, or fowl, is to say: we will not abuse report anymore, full stop.</p>
<p>This is one thing we can all unite against, even those of us who hate factions of each other&#8217;s. You don&#8217;t have to like Gor or BDSM, or you don&#8217;t have to like the much-maligned and exaggerated &#8220;Christan right&#8221; (almost non-existence in SL) to all agree about a simple act of human solidarity across the board: do not inform on your neighbour. Do not abuse report.</p>
<p>All coercive states rely on one thing: the ability of citizens to undermine human solidarity and inform on one another. If everybody decides not to abuse report anything, the Lindens have no fodder for their arbitrary police enforcement.</p>
<p>If people are not willing to give up abuse reporting and persuade others to do so, they have absolutely no case when they whine and snivel that somebody is &#8220;making&#8221; them do something.</p>
<p>So the only thing proto-fascist here is some fanboyz who will abuse report others, or intimidate people like me who have been outspoken, as Csven has been doing threatening me over a swingset.</p>
<p>>the Linden desire to inflict american mainstream values on non mainstream americans and non-americans strikes me as imperialist.</p>
<p>Um, where&#8217;s the infliction of American mainstream values? Seriously, humdog, clime off your high horse, turn off the reaction machine, and LOOK at where this came from. NOT AMERICA. It came from secular and sleazy Europe, eh? Not Moral Majority American but Immoral Minority Europe.</p>
<p>Please, take the rant about moral majorities elsewhere. The Europeans made them do it.</p>
<there is the first amendment of the US Bill of Rights:<br />
and it says in part Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech.</p>
<p>>the Lindens are not bigger than the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>No, but the EU is. The EU has no First Amendment concept. Their concept of free speech is more restricted than ours.</there>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok,

I have changed my position on sexualized ageplay after finding out that there was a statute against it.  I posted my change of position after one of your blog posts here on the Herald.

I made my comment to you after you specifically referencing a BDSM trying to invoke you in their roleplay.  You are the one that mentioned Blue Horizon as banning BDSM type acts on their Sims.  If you have such a problem with BDSM in general,why do you allow it on land that you own?

In my economic view, there are many places in SL that are vanilla and sex free.  But how much money is honestly being passed through the lindex because of those activities?  Are there economic indicators on those fiqures that counter my proposition?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok,</p>
<p>I have changed my position on sexualized ageplay after finding out that there was a statute against it.  I posted my change of position after one of your blog posts here on the Herald.</p>
<p>I made my comment to you after you specifically referencing a BDSM trying to invoke you in their roleplay.  You are the one that mentioned Blue Horizon as banning BDSM type acts on their Sims.  If you have such a problem with BDSM in general,why do you allow it on land that you own?</p>
<p>In my economic view, there are many places in SL that are vanilla and sex free.  But how much money is honestly being passed through the lindex because of those activities?  Are there economic indicators on those fiqures that counter my proposition?</p>
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