Comments on: Superman Talks Down the Goons

By: Alexander Lucard

Alexander Lucard — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:06:32 +0000

I would like to clarify one misconception Artemis Fate has been pushing around every time the JLU is mentioned. I was the one who called for help after I was hit with a missile in the middle of Nexus Prime. I did not know who fired it, but the superhero that showed up taught me how to find the bump report, and furthermore she searched the area and found the shooter. This abuse of power Artemis brings up, was ntohign mroe than telling the guy to stop shooting. Artemis immediately labelled her a griefer, not because she used a weapon, but because she was not an offical sim owner. Artemis then proceeded to chastise the JLU and the GLC, despite the girl’s insistence that she was not in the GLC, and did nto want her actions to be held towards them in any way. She was not demanding that Artemis accept her help, but merely that she be allowed to try to persuade Artemis that she wans’t a griefer. Artemis’ reasons for labeling her a griefer: the jlu girl used Animation overrides and was wearing a shield, which, accoridng to Artemis, are the sources of all problems on the grid. After Artemis finally allowed her to plead her case, the girl gave her word that the JLU would not be in Nexus Prime anymore, and furthermore, that any calls for help would be forwarded directly to Artemis. I found Artemis’ behavior to be rude and abrasive, whereas the girl was polite and curteous.

By: TRUE LULZ

TRUE LULZ — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:47:50 +0000

“…so superman could sit there staring at it holding is flexi penis irl…”

VS.

“Snore. We’ve got new IPs, new MACs, new HDIDs, new alt names, real names, and email addresses. LL can’t do shit.”

Now WHO is waving the flexi penis? Seems obvious to me. Hey Mooty, my dad can beat up your dad, so ha-ha, dimwit.

By: WitnessX

WitnessX — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:29:32 +0000

JLU shouldn’t expect PN to go anywhere, since they’re being paid by LL to stress test their servers.

By: mootykips

mootykips — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:50:52 +0000

“Once again, this makes one of the points I covered in my lecture: individually, no citizen can do very much. But the united will of the citizens, combined with the tools and assistance provided by Linden Lab,” is a beatable combination because all we have to do is make another alt in 5 minutes and keep going.

Snore. We’ve got new IPs, new MACs, new HDIDs, new alt names, real names, and email addresses. LL can’t do shit.

By: Mako Mabellon

Mako Mabellon — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:37:13 +0000

>So the first question you have to ask is: if all the members of voter-5 are innocent, and only a few were bad apples, why are all the members banned , not because the group is banned, or because they were judged by their group, but because each and every one committed griefing and got banned on his/her own merits?

I think you may be getting confused. Voter 5 are a supposed griefing group that seem to be capitalising on the bad reputation of Voted 5. (To be honest, it’s unclear how powerful they are). Voted 5 are the group that were mass-banned to placate the populace after some of their members took down the grid.

By: Kalel Venkman

Kalel Venkman — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:41:05 +0000

To answer Pirate Cotton’s question, the Banlink system (findable at http://slbanlink.com) is currently the single largest security coalition of any sort within Second Life. Any estate or business owner in the system is free to ban anyone they wish, for any reason. HOWEVER, if they do this, they get a reputation for unjust banning and quickly become untrusted, i.e., other members unsubscribe to that estates ban list. In this way, the system is self-regulating.

Once again, this makes one of the points I covered in my lecture: individually, no citizen can do very much. But the united will of the citizens, combined with the tools and assistance provided by Linden Lab, is an unbeatable combination.

By: Kalel Venkman

Kalel Venkman — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:47:16 +0000

For landowners, your best defense isn’t calling the Justice League after you’ve already been hit, it’s BEING PREPARED. Turn off build, scripts, and object entry to deter most griefer attacks. Leaving your land as open-build is just asking for it.

Make sure whatever estate managers you have are present enough of the time to do you some good, and make certain they know how to use the estate tools. I’ve met a few estate managers who don’t, and needed help to clean up after griefers.

If you really must have a sandbox in your sim, make it so that only members of a group can build on it, and add a small fee to join. This is enough to make most of them just move on to the next sim, as most of them get banned often and don’t have a pile of Lindens stored up for such things.

Whether you like the idea of guys wearing their underwear outside their pants telling people about security tips or not, these things will help keep your griefer problem to a managable level.

And as I mentioned in the lecture, by all means, compare notes with your peers who have similar problems and find out how they’re solving their security related issues. By joining together, we can draw strength from one another, and grow Second Life into a more peaceful and productive community!

By: mootykips

mootykips — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:13:20 +0000

Like Artemis said, JLU just aren’t ‘worth it’ for land owners. They do nothing but create lulz for us/other griefers and are no faster to the abuse report button than anyone else. Their weapons such as the ‘SDI Defense’ are easy to avoid. They’ll show up and start drama when it’s pretty easy just to ban someone from a sim.

I was browsing the Something Awful forums a little while ago and there was a topic asking why superheroes didn’t exist in real life. Answer: why fly around and spend millions of dollars to create a bunch of gadgets when the police can show up and arrest prettty much anyone? Reminded me of the JLU a lot.

“im not a furry but every now and then i wear kitty ears cause they look cute”

doesn’t everybody?

By: Artemis Fate

Artemis Fate — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:33:32 +0000

You know, i’ve been in SL for just about 4 years and have never felt the need for these extensive security measures above and beyond simply “mute, kick, and ban”. In fact, only time I ever had problems was when a JLU member tried to handle a “griefer crisis” in Nexus Prime (actually just a confused newbie from the Welcome Area who didn’t know it wasn’t kosher to fire a particle gun everywhere), and instead of letting me just handle it and going on their merry way, they refused to leave until they had “proven” that the JLU had the best anti-griefer tools and techniques. Didn’t want to ban them, but just about had to, to get them the hell out.

By: Blingtard

Blingtard — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:58:05 +0000

The jlu and any other security group are full of crap, i remember talking to SUPERMAN back when he was just a fweek in tights, he was weird then and he is weird now, when a sim owner or land owner has a problem with any individual they should kick them and ban them till they forget why, that would rid us of these super freaks who basically act like we need to all get together and ban people we have not had any problem with because that person chooses to act stupid someplace else.

im not a furry but every now and then i wear kitty ears cause they look cute, ive never griefed anybody, but if some dumbass puts anybody with horns or spots on a list they bite their own selves in the ass.

I had one dude at my buisness who griefed a customer, i kicked and banned him, then a few weeks later i looked him up, he was a customer, a talented builder and as far as i could tell he owned a sim, i dont know why he choose to put voodoo on somebody but i let the ban stand for another week then i took it off. i wanted to ask him if he knew the person or if it was some joke that i was not in on. but whatever

i aint gonna put his name on a list so superman could sit there staring at it holding is flexi penis irl that would be stupid,

if the lindens ban somebody because they have furry favoritism that sucks, but if the lindens ban you, they dont like post your name at ahern and tell everybody to ban you, that is what banlink is to me, a bunch of dumbasses amassing lists of names, some of those names are probably their own alts