Yeah, I’m starting to realize that. Am trying to avoid responding to Prokofy anyways. And there are a few others who’re also pestering me but I’m not allowing them to tell me what I can and cannot do.

Painting nudism as a cult is flat wrong. It is just not, and until you’ve actually experienced nudism for a any length of time, you’re talking out your ass by calling it a cult. That is just fucking stupid talk.

As far as Prokofy’s take on nudism in Europe and it’s prevalence, thats just more ass talking. She obviously has no clue and is just trying to buffalo her way through this, so as to paint nudism as ZOMG teh ev0l!. Hell, even here in the US, there have been things in advertising that pushed the lines but were accepted. Do we remember the suntan lotion ads with the dog pulling on the topless little girls bikini exposing almost her whole butt? Oh, and just to add another dent into Prok’s claims on nudism and its acceptance in the US – at the club I belonged to, when I was a teen of about 14 or 15, a local news crew came out and filmed our annual summer anniversary one year, and they showed (OMG!) our butts. Full butts of teen kids on local TV! They did so because we had one of our members, who was an artist paint the club logo on our butts. Some people would call that sick. I call it fun and I am glad that that local channel wasn’t scared by puritans like Prok into not airing it. Though in this day in age, even though you’d think we (the US) would have advanced a bit more – I doubt highly that it would be put on TV today. That’s a shame, because it means we are going backwards as Europe and Asia and South America go forward.

While it’s pretty obvious that Prokofy is woefully un/misinformed about nudism, Lisae, you’re starting to become overly pedantic. In fact, you’re playing right into Prokofy’s hand by continuing to do so – she is and will continue to use that against you. We are all adults here and we know that penises and boobs and nipples all look different – including Prok, so spare us the anatomy lessons please.

Ignorance is generalizing.

Well, in general, texture and color. Size is also different most of the times. Some women have nipples that hide mostly inside the breast and only come out when it’s cold. others have extra long nipples. and of course, several women have a piercing through their nipples. Having them pierced is a bit painful but it gives a great toy for your partner to such on and to play with.

On Dutch television, nudity tends to be common. Sex however is not, unless those irritating sexlines commercials that are broadcast in the middle of the night. I still remember when they showed a report about the first World Naked Bike Ride. Several dozens of people who would ride a bike naked in protest against the huge oil consumption. Lots of penises in that report since the majority of protesters were mostly males.
A more recent report was about the preparations for the next ride which would accidentally happen at the same moment some Christian school or whatever would also be holding a bike ride. So there were a few news items about this conflict. The ride itself made page 5, I think.
And the most recent bike ride has barely no news value. Naked people on a bike? What’s so special about that?

there was one other advertisement that was considered mostly inappropiate. it was a woman and child posing in a commercial and billboards promoting some mobile phone company. girl and woman both only wore a white bikini and the advertisement was that they offered subscriptions for both adults and children. the company scarlet was awarded the price for most irritating commercial because of this. but legal actions against the advertisement were unsuccesful. and scarlet became very well-known by this negative publicity and became quite big in a very short amount of time.

is it me or does it appear as if milady prok is using alternate identities to post here?

“Yet they don’t make that *the norm*. It is not *common* or *normal* for people in Europe to appear on TV with their breasts bare.”

Fa, a shower gel brand, had a commercial on Dutch primetime television featuring a women comletely naked under the shower, in full glory. No sexual organs were shown, but breasts and nipples galore.

There is a manufacturer of hottubs and showers and such that has trucks driving all across the country, showing the head and chest of a women under a showerhead, looking very seductively into the camera. Full nipples showing. (and bnoy, are they pretty)

I dispute you7r claim, and state that showing nipples, both male as female, is pretty normal in Europe.

And no, in Europe we don’t see nudism as any sort of a fetish as you claim elsewhere. Being nude is seen as completely natural, even tho inappropriate in most cases and locations.

I very much still wonder tho: How is it, that there is such a shitstorm about one famous lady’s nipple being uncovered during some award event, while National Geographic, Discovery channel and what not can show African tribes on TV where there’s also nipples showing of the women there that don’t wear covering?

What’s the difference between one woman’s nipple and another’s?

“Sometimes griefers do things that even I can’t blame them for doing. Virtual pedophelia sucks even if it isn’t real.

Sometimes you just have to look at the bigger picture, ya know? ”

So… PN being from 7chan…
Care to explain the lolicon and shotacon boards on 7 chan?
FULL of anime and manga child porn.
Oh and let’s not forget that one series from a bestiality comic with a male dog and a 7 or so year old girl. Explain that.

All found on the homechan of our beloved PN, who will help us get rid of furry filth. Uh-huh.

Well, a bitch fighting men is interesting but bitches fighting each others is boring.

And the rise of legal threats makes normal people shit on their pants. People love to read about crime (in SL too), but they don’t want it here, or in their backyard.

I think that for example the story of this thread started fine, but Prokofy Neva didn’t understand that it was her responsibility to maintain the legality of Second Lie & Hearsay. She took care of that in her writings, but that was not enough.

I think that the other writers in Second Lie & Hearsay didn’t provide accurate enough guidance. I see some repeated over-management which implies that too blunt tools were in use. The staff of Second Lie & Hearsay should understand that unfair competitive practices are the business standard of the small crooks in SL.

Somebody could see that Prokofy was trolled out third time. I trick you once, shame on me; I trick you thrice, shame on you.

This time it is not completely her fault and causes collateral damage to Second Lie & Hearsay. I suggest putting Lisae on probation to see, if she brings good or bad to Second Lie & Hearsay.

Damn you Americans are so naive.

So, it seems that Prokofy was baited to make this article, and in the subsequent comments played out.

Tactically it was a mistake to open up the comments by Uri, when Prokofy didn’t want it. The bigger mistake followed when Uri didn’t comprehend to moderate the comments himself. (This is where the SLH staff dropped the ball.) I would have suggested a reduced pay from the extra work caused.

Prokofy feels that she is treated unfairly by the other staff. Well, (s)he tends to wander where others don’t go and creating rules after her wanderings is more bad management work than being unfair.

I suggest that remaining SLH staff have a crisis meeting on analyzing their mistakes, preventing further immediate damage and drafting future policies preventing them being screwed again.