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	<title>Comments on: Mr. FlipperPA Peregrin&#8217;s &#8220;Invention&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Hypatia Callisto</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25231</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypatia Callisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One needs to weigh the possibility that IBM may own this patent already...

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5983003-description.html

Also check out Sony&#039;s Home trailer for possible future implementation of this concept -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyquAXKeEI0

pay close attention to the end, after &quot;coming soon&quot; and states:

Home will grow into an enormous 3d network with sponsored spaces, a cinema that caters to downloadable content...

Oops :)

I wish I knew what this patent was up to. If its patent trolling, I can&#039;t see anything good coming out of this. It will be ugly, and to have firms the size of Sony and IBM against you isn&#039;t pretty, not to mention LL itself.

But nobody really knows yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One needs to weigh the possibility that IBM may own this patent already&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5983003-description.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5983003-description.html</a></p>
<p>Also check out Sony&#8217;s Home trailer for possible future implementation of this concept -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyquAXKeEI0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyquAXKeEI0</a></p>
<p>pay close attention to the end, after &#8220;coming soon&#8221; and states:</p>
<p>Home will grow into an enormous 3d network with sponsored spaces, a cinema that caters to downloadable content&#8230;</p>
<p>Oops <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wish I knew what this patent was up to. If its patent trolling, I can&#8217;t see anything good coming out of this. It will be ugly, and to have firms the size of Sony and IBM against you isn&#8217;t pretty, not to mention LL itself.</p>
<p>But nobody really knows yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypatia Callisto</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25230</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypatia Callisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The future of vitual (sic) worlds will not be a system like Linden Labs currently has. It will be a Peer to Peer network of end users logging into a world created on their local machines. This network eliminates the need for what Linden has created and brings true vitual sharing to the masses.&quot;

You&#039;re like, many years late. Moove already has such a world. IMVU is another one. Moove&#039;s started in 1997, so you&#039;re ... very... late...

It has its limits... in that you can&#039;t host a large amount of people on your personal computer, you just haven&#039;t got the bandwidth, unless everyone had T1 or better to their computers. Which, they do not :) Client-server is still the only way to go if you&#039;re going to have large shared 3d spaces on the net.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The future of vitual (sic) worlds will not be a system like Linden Labs currently has. It will be a Peer to Peer network of end users logging into a world created on their local machines. This network eliminates the need for what Linden has created and brings true vitual sharing to the masses.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re like, many years late. Moove already has such a world. IMVU is another one. Moove&#8217;s started in 1997, so you&#8217;re &#8230; very&#8230; late&#8230;</p>
<p>It has its limits&#8230; in that you can&#8217;t host a large amount of people on your personal computer, you just haven&#8217;t got the bandwidth, unless everyone had T1 or better to their computers. Which, they do not <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Client-server is still the only way to go if you&#8217;re going to have large shared 3d spaces on the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Inigo Chamerberlin</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25229</link>
		<dc:creator>Inigo Chamerberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the very obvious fact that watching video on an inworld &#039;screen&#039; has to be one of the most pointless occupations imaginable, and it&#039;s not even patentable for reasons mentioned above - I really do fear for poor old Flip.
Strikes me that the dividing line between RL and SL has faded away for him. Sad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the very obvious fact that watching video on an inworld &#8216;screen&#8217; has to be one of the most pointless occupations imaginable, and it&#8217;s not even patentable for reasons mentioned above &#8211; I really do fear for poor old Flip.<br />
Strikes me that the dividing line between RL and SL has faded away for him. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25228</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--&gt;Okay, what am I missing? The author of this article is called Pixeleen Mistral. Way to go with ignoring (or diverting?) Pixeleen&#039;s points for the ubiquitous Prok swipe.&lt;--

Pixeleen Mistral is Prok.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;>Okay, what am I missing? The author of this article is called Pixeleen Mistral. Way to go with ignoring (or diverting?) Pixeleen&#8217;s points for the ubiquitous Prok swipe.<&#8211;</p>
<p>Pixeleen Mistral is Prok.</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25227</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um.

Yeah, I haven&#039;t always been the most dedicated reader of the Second Life Herald, but I have read it frequently enough. I&#039;ve read a lot of interesting articles; I especially love the ones focusing on the griefers, and the &quot;anti&quot; griefers, like JLU. They are all griefers in my eyes. Griefers who call themselves anti-griefers are just hypocrites as well.

This article is pointless. So he&#039;s found a way for pay-per-view in Second Life, and you don&#039;t think it&#039;s a patentable idea? Who cares? Why? At least the griefer articles had awesome comments to read, and certain people&#039;s wild conspiracy theories to read. This is just boring :P
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um.</p>
<p>Yeah, I haven&#8217;t always been the most dedicated reader of the Second Life Herald, but I have read it frequently enough. I&#8217;ve read a lot of interesting articles; I especially love the ones focusing on the griefers, and the &#8220;anti&#8221; griefers, like JLU. They are all griefers in my eyes. Griefers who call themselves anti-griefers are just hypocrites as well.</p>
<p>This article is pointless. So he&#8217;s found a way for pay-per-view in Second Life, and you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a patentable idea? Who cares? Why? At least the griefer articles had awesome comments to read, and certain people&#8217;s wild conspiracy theories to read. This is just boring <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25226</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who argues that news like this is covered, or that criticism is made of people making big grabs like this are motivate by &quot;jealousy&quot; lose my attention rapidly. They&#039;re letting me know what kind of squalid world *they* live in -- one dominated by petty considerations and imaginations like that.

We can&#039;t know if a patent will really take &quot;years&quot; -- that&#039;s not consistent with every experience. And just because it isn&#039;t available yet doesn&#039;t mean that it can&#039;t be deployed now, like every cheesy plastic thingie on sale at the five and dime; as Desmond said, &quot;patent pending&quot; is the oldest gimmick in the book. Patents are more about trying to knock others out of the competition with fear of lawsuits, so it appears, than securing copyright, which is something different.

So FlipperPAY could well be hoping to GOM the SLCC stream and use it later, even much later, having a very read-made sale prospects list to use of people very eager to relive their memories of SLCC. The idea that he can&#039;t do that today isn&#039;t argument against him someday wishing to -- and we never did learn why all these folks are after grabbing the content anyway. P.S. Jorus is an interested party, being part of the Phreak gang and SC regs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who argues that news like this is covered, or that criticism is made of people making big grabs like this are motivate by &#8220;jealousy&#8221; lose my attention rapidly. They&#8217;re letting me know what kind of squalid world *they* live in &#8212; one dominated by petty considerations and imaginations like that.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t know if a patent will really take &#8220;years&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s not consistent with every experience. And just because it isn&#8217;t available yet doesn&#8217;t mean that it can&#8217;t be deployed now, like every cheesy plastic thingie on sale at the five and dime; as Desmond said, &#8220;patent pending&#8221; is the oldest gimmick in the book. Patents are more about trying to knock others out of the competition with fear of lawsuits, so it appears, than securing copyright, which is something different.</p>
<p>So FlipperPAY could well be hoping to GOM the SLCC stream and use it later, even much later, having a very read-made sale prospects list to use of people very eager to relive their memories of SLCC. The idea that he can&#8217;t do that today isn&#8217;t argument against him someday wishing to &#8212; and we never did learn why all these folks are after grabbing the content anyway. P.S. Jorus is an interested party, being part of the Phreak gang and SC regs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25225</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I shouldn&#039;t be posting here at this time but this is a very interesting issue.

Based on what I&#039;ve read here and in other places, and what I already know of SL, it sounds more like Flipper is trying to obtain the patent for either the ability to change what would appear on a prim content-wise and/or the means or method to pay for the content to appear, not just video on a prim.  Whether he will get the patent is another issue.  (Benjamin Noble has discussed some of the issues better here:  http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/19/ppv-patent-second-life )

Beyond the fact that software is usually not patented, the idea of seeking the patent goes against a dominant viewpoint of both the Lindens and the web.  Basically, while most people are looking at being open and &quot;information being free&quot;, Mr. Peregrine is doing the opposite.  I&#039;m not saying either side is better or one side is good or one side is evil, just saying what the sides *are*.

And Pixeleen is right to tie-in the SLCC change in musician contract with the patent application because its a pattern.  Controlling a musician&#039;s performance by locking in a license is in the same vein, although not precisely the same, as seeking a patent on a SL script.  Its still controlling content.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I shouldn&#8217;t be posting here at this time but this is a very interesting issue.</p>
<p>Based on what I&#8217;ve read here and in other places, and what I already know of SL, it sounds more like Flipper is trying to obtain the patent for either the ability to change what would appear on a prim content-wise and/or the means or method to pay for the content to appear, not just video on a prim.  Whether he will get the patent is another issue.  (Benjamin Noble has discussed some of the issues better here:  <a href="http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/19/ppv-patent-second-life" rel="nofollow">http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/19/ppv-patent-second-life</a> )</p>
<p>Beyond the fact that software is usually not patented, the idea of seeking the patent goes against a dominant viewpoint of both the Lindens and the web.  Basically, while most people are looking at being open and &#8220;information being free&#8221;, Mr. Peregrine is doing the opposite.  I&#8217;m not saying either side is better or one side is good or one side is evil, just saying what the sides *are*.</p>
<p>And Pixeleen is right to tie-in the SLCC change in musician contract with the patent application because its a pattern.  Controlling a musician&#8217;s performance by locking in a license is in the same vein, although not precisely the same, as seeking a patent on a SL script.  Its still controlling content.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiro Pendragon</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25224</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiro Pendragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s such a non-patentable, bad idea, why give it publicity? It would seem that your last paragraph is revealing - you&#039;re pissed at Flipper about SLCC (go talk to Randall Moss, he runs the non-profit, not Flipper) - and you are looking for any excuse.

This isn&#039;t even tabloid-quality, this is Fox News level of &quot;unrelated story&quot; crap.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s such a non-patentable, bad idea, why give it publicity? It would seem that your last paragraph is revealing &#8211; you&#8217;re pissed at Flipper about SLCC (go talk to Randall Moss, he runs the non-profit, not Flipper) &#8211; and you are looking for any excuse.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even tabloid-quality, this is Fox News level of &#8220;unrelated story&#8221; crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina A</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/mr-flipperpa-pe.html/comment-page-1#comment-25223</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---&quot;Prok, why don&#039;t you try and go out and &quot;gasp&quot; create something yourself, or actually try to contribute to society in a positive way for once in your life.

Are you green with envy, or is it just a feeling of inadequacy that causes you to do nothing but try and degrade others? Is your life that shallow? Oh and spare me the litany of all your alleged accomplishments in life, we have all heard them enough that it&#039;s a broken record at this point.&quot;---


Okay, what am I missing? The author of this article is called Pixeleen Mistral. Way to go with ignoring (or diverting?) Pixeleen&#039;s points for the ubiquitous Prok swipe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8221;Prok, why don&#8217;t you try and go out and &#8220;gasp&#8221; create something yourself, or actually try to contribute to society in a positive way for once in your life.</p>
<p>Are you green with envy, or is it just a feeling of inadequacy that causes you to do nothing but try and degrade others? Is your life that shallow? Oh and spare me the litany of all your alleged accomplishments in life, we have all heard them enough that it&#8217;s a broken record at this point.&#8221;&#8212;</p>
<p>Okay, what am I missing? The author of this article is called Pixeleen Mistral. Way to go with ignoring (or diverting?) Pixeleen&#8217;s points for the ubiquitous Prok swipe.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my own patent project that will destroy the ideas of a closed single sided company virtual world such as SL.

Anyone remember when PEER TO PEER (old technology topology) became a real winner on the web? Does Napster ring a bell?

The future of vitual worlds will not be a system like Linden Labs currently has. It will be a Peer to Peer network of end users logging into a world created on their local machines. This network eliminates the need for what Linden has created and brings true vitual sharing to the masses.

Linden will have their place, albeit a very small technical corner in the
metaverse.

Anyone putting the millions into this technology will produce a real winner. And for your information... I believe it&#039;s on it&#039;s way.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my own patent project that will destroy the ideas of a closed single sided company virtual world such as SL.</p>
<p>Anyone remember when PEER TO PEER (old technology topology) became a real winner on the web? Does Napster ring a bell?</p>
<p>The future of vitual worlds will not be a system like Linden Labs currently has. It will be a Peer to Peer network of end users logging into a world created on their local machines. This network eliminates the need for what Linden has created and brings true vitual sharing to the masses.</p>
<p>Linden will have their place, albeit a very small technical corner in the<br />
metaverse.</p>
<p>Anyone putting the millions into this technology will produce a real winner. And for your information&#8230; I believe it&#8217;s on it&#8217;s way.</p>
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