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		<title>By: Noisey Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noisey Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confirm Second Life runs much faster using Linux Ubuntu on the same machine/hardware than Windows XP.
I keep both OS&#039;s updated (XP SP3) and use both the RC and Main Client of SL.
I also shut down or disable any unnecessary services and apps before I start.
This was tested on a Pentium 4 with a Nvidia Ge440 GPU with 2Gb RAM so my FPS were not huge in either OS.
Average FPS in Linux a paltry 11.2 but compare that with XP at 4.8.
I can&#039;t believe I put up with this for nearly 2 years in SL!!
I tested it over several days in all kinds of SL conditions (busy and/or prim-heavy Vs empty sims).

I&#039;ve just upgraded to an Intel Quad Core with a single 9800GTX+ 512Mb GPU and 3Gb RAM and reaching frame rates of up to 70FPS in XP. (20FPS is the lowest I have observed in a club with 60+ Avatars).
The P4 recommended graphics settings in SL is &#039;Low&#039; and the Quad is &#039;High&#039; so even with the shiny bling and pretty water, it screams along.
I haven&#039;t installed Linux on it yet and probably won&#039;t as I want to keep this box lean and mean for SL and other games plus Linux won&#039;t recognize my Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi audio card.

I did try Vista on the P4 for about a week before I tore it out and reinstalled XP. It gave comparable FPS to XP but it royally sucked as an OS.
The P4 is still a good office machine running email, web, tv and the usual plethora of junk very well but it&#039;s certainly not a gaming setup - unless I get kicked off the Quad by my daughter who has just discovered the joys of SL!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can confirm Second Life runs much faster using Linux Ubuntu on the same machine/hardware than Windows XP.<br />
I keep both OS&#8217;s updated (XP SP3) and use both the RC and Main Client of SL.<br />
I also shut down or disable any unnecessary services and apps before I start.<br />
This was tested on a Pentium 4 with a Nvidia Ge440 GPU with 2Gb RAM so my FPS were not huge in either OS.<br />
Average FPS in Linux a paltry 11.2 but compare that with XP at 4.8.<br />
I can&#8217;t believe I put up with this for nearly 2 years in SL!!<br />
I tested it over several days in all kinds of SL conditions (busy and/or prim-heavy Vs empty sims).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just upgraded to an Intel Quad Core with a single 9800GTX+ 512Mb GPU and 3Gb RAM and reaching frame rates of up to 70FPS in XP. (20FPS is the lowest I have observed in a club with 60+ Avatars).<br />
The P4 recommended graphics settings in SL is &#8216;Low&#8217; and the Quad is &#8216;High&#8217; so even with the shiny bling and pretty water, it screams along.<br />
I haven&#8217;t installed Linux on it yet and probably won&#8217;t as I want to keep this box lean and mean for SL and other games plus Linux won&#8217;t recognize my Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi audio card.</p>
<p>I did try Vista on the P4 for about a week before I tore it out and reinstalled XP. It gave comparable FPS to XP but it royally sucked as an OS.<br />
The P4 is still a good office machine running email, web, tv and the usual plethora of junk very well but it&#8217;s certainly not a gaming setup &#8211; unless I get kicked off the Quad by my daughter who has just discovered the joys of SL!!</p>
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		<title>By: DMFH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMFH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... I read this article with interest, even though from 2007, since I was considering taking some older laptop hardware headed for the recycle bin and making an &quot;SL box&quot; to SL @ work (some of my daily RL business involves SL). I&#039;m a network engineer, sysadmin, coder, and general compute performance geek, having designed super-compute plants for financial houses, and I wanted to add a few comments about the OS thing in general:

- Microsoft OS&#039;s have better overall hardware support, obviously, and the GPU manufacturers make and tune drivers for their OS&#039;s much more than they do for any other platform, this makes a higher FPS rate plausible on Microsoft OS&#039;s.

- Microsoft has the *worst*, the absolute *worst* OS scheduler in existence. The scheduler is the part of the operating system that determines what gets CPU processing time at each interval. This is why you don&#039;t see Microsoft OS&#039;s doing too many &quot;real-time&quot; things, such as, the back end servers for stock trading, etc. This affects users by allowing other processes to steal CPU cycles away from what you are actually trying to do on the user interface. Many components in Microsoft OS&#039;s are single-threaded, meaning they are capable of hogging the CPU - Outlook is a good example of this.

- The way MS manages OS configuration is through Registry Keys. Other OS&#039;s usually use some combination of flat files with formatted text in them, for example, OS/X uses flavors of XML in configuration files called plists. Many MS users complain their systems &quot;get slow&quot; and this triggers a purchase to a new system. Sure, software is getting more demanding, but if you compare the size of a Registry after install, and after usage? There&#039;s so much garbage in there over time, it slows system performance down. From a computer science perspective, it&#039;s very broken to burden an OS with writing tiny values to disk each time you mouse click or move a window.

- In order to game (or run SL), there&#039;s DirectX, which, for the most part is moving the Microsoft OS &quot;out of the way&quot; of the gaming code to get &quot;direct&quot; access to hardware, speeding things up greatly. In the UNIX world, this is a given - you can write programs and drivers directly to the hardware level if you desire - it&#039;s &quot;right there&quot; for you to do if you want as a programmer, there&#039;s nothing to &quot;move out of the way&quot;. This single simple differentiating feature makes non-MS OS&#039;s very attractive to folks who want to do real-time work.

What&#039;s always best to use it what suits most or all of your needs best. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; I read this article with interest, even though from 2007, since I was considering taking some older laptop hardware headed for the recycle bin and making an &#8220;SL box&#8221; to SL @ work (some of my daily RL business involves SL). I&#8217;m a network engineer, sysadmin, coder, and general compute performance geek, having designed super-compute plants for financial houses, and I wanted to add a few comments about the OS thing in general:</p>
<p>- Microsoft OS&#8217;s have better overall hardware support, obviously, and the GPU manufacturers make and tune drivers for their OS&#8217;s much more than they do for any other platform, this makes a higher FPS rate plausible on Microsoft OS&#8217;s.</p>
<p>- Microsoft has the *worst*, the absolute *worst* OS scheduler in existence. The scheduler is the part of the operating system that determines what gets CPU processing time at each interval. This is why you don&#8217;t see Microsoft OS&#8217;s doing too many &#8220;real-time&#8221; things, such as, the back end servers for stock trading, etc. This affects users by allowing other processes to steal CPU cycles away from what you are actually trying to do on the user interface. Many components in Microsoft OS&#8217;s are single-threaded, meaning they are capable of hogging the CPU &#8211; Outlook is a good example of this.</p>
<p>- The way MS manages OS configuration is through Registry Keys. Other OS&#8217;s usually use some combination of flat files with formatted text in them, for example, OS/X uses flavors of XML in configuration files called plists. Many MS users complain their systems &#8220;get slow&#8221; and this triggers a purchase to a new system. Sure, software is getting more demanding, but if you compare the size of a Registry after install, and after usage? There&#8217;s so much garbage in there over time, it slows system performance down. From a computer science perspective, it&#8217;s very broken to burden an OS with writing tiny values to disk each time you mouse click or move a window.</p>
<p>- In order to game (or run SL), there&#8217;s DirectX, which, for the most part is moving the Microsoft OS &#8220;out of the way&#8221; of the gaming code to get &#8220;direct&#8221; access to hardware, speeding things up greatly. In the UNIX world, this is a given &#8211; you can write programs and drivers directly to the hardware level if you desire &#8211; it&#8217;s &#8220;right there&#8221; for you to do if you want as a programmer, there&#8217;s nothing to &#8220;move out of the way&#8221;. This single simple differentiating feature makes non-MS OS&#8217;s very attractive to folks who want to do real-time work.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s always best to use it what suits most or all of your needs best. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Danyel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Coyote Momiji</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/sl-speed-showdo.html/comment-page-1#comment-25330</link>
		<dc:creator>Coyote Momiji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t news to me; I&#039;ve been running Ubuntu on my system since my WinXP install got corrupted this March. The difference has been astounding. Lag isn&#039;t something I have to put up with much anymore; even at the recent concierge party, I was getting about 15FPS while my partner was getting 2 to 3.

It was excruciatingly easy to set up, smooth as silk to operate and I don&#039;t have to worry about misplacing my serial code for the installation disc - or the disc, for that matter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t news to me; I&#8217;ve been running Ubuntu on my system since my WinXP install got corrupted this March. The difference has been astounding. Lag isn&#8217;t something I have to put up with much anymore; even at the recent concierge party, I was getting about 15FPS while my partner was getting 2 to 3.</p>
<p>It was excruciatingly easy to set up, smooth as silk to operate and I don&#8217;t have to worry about misplacing my serial code for the installation disc &#8211; or the disc, for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveOner</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/sl-speed-showdo.html/comment-page-1#comment-25329</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveOner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This was not a scientific study - only a small test which confirmed what I thought I had &quot;felt&quot; already while using Second Life on my new PC.&quot;

No one was claiming to be scientific. Your crusade for science was misguided, Dr. Zaius. At least people in another section of the Herald are paying attention to you for a moment, though!

Back to the subject..I&#039;ve often debated trying Linux out, if nothing else, out of frustration with Windows. However, among other things I make music and everything I&#039;ve seen indicates this would be a step backwards as far as useability and adaptability for music programs and recording. What I&#039;ve seen indicates a Mac would be the best of the 3 for that, but I prefer real computers that can be upgraded and are for more advanced users...even if there is less stability to be had with Windows.

If I&#039;m wrong and Linux is actually compatible with the majority of music hardware/software out there then someone please tell me and I&#039;ll dig further! I&#039;m not interested in having to go back and fourth between OS&#039;s&#039;&#039;s&#039;s&#039;, though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This was not a scientific study &#8211; only a small test which confirmed what I thought I had &#8220;felt&#8221; already while using Second Life on my new PC.&#8221;</p>
<p>No one was claiming to be scientific. Your crusade for science was misguided, Dr. Zaius. At least people in another section of the Herald are paying attention to you for a moment, though!</p>
<p>Back to the subject..I&#8217;ve often debated trying Linux out, if nothing else, out of frustration with Windows. However, among other things I make music and everything I&#8217;ve seen indicates this would be a step backwards as far as useability and adaptability for music programs and recording. What I&#8217;ve seen indicates a Mac would be the best of the 3 for that, but I prefer real computers that can be upgraded and are for more advanced users&#8230;even if there is less stability to be had with Windows.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong and Linux is actually compatible with the majority of music hardware/software out there then someone please tell me and I&#8217;ll dig further! I&#8217;m not interested in having to go back and fourth between OS&#8217;s&#8221;s&#8217;s', though.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/sl-speed-showdo.html/comment-page-1#comment-25328</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since people are charging me with merely showing up her to put eyes on myself again, let me reiterate that I&#039;ve asked the common-sense and really only penetrating scientific question here, alone as a non-scientist, to people purporting to be scientists (or at least technicians):

Why don&#039;t you have a real, authentic scientific test? Multiple times for log-in, multiple times for the test itself, multiple sim settings, not just one 7-minute test on one log-on, on one sim. My word, that ought NOT to be brain science. I don&#039;t see how you could even be such a lazy thinker to even imagine that one test like that run once would be enough for a post! Run it at least 2-3 times, my God!

Not a single person here is following through on this problem. We heard some long-winded thing from Katiahnya Muromachi saying she couldn&#039;t finish the test due to Nvidia; we heard another person say Linux installation is a dream except problems with Nvidia drivers; somebody else mentions Nvidia.

Sorry, but that&#039;s one of only two graphic cards stipulated to run with SL. So if Linux can&#039;t work with it, even if &quot;through no fault of its own,&quot; it&#039;s a show-stopper.

For anyone starting from scratch, having to install Linux and risk messing up all their applications they need for work, AND not being able to solve graphic card compatability, it&#039;s a show-stopper. Ardent, religious proseltyzing to the effect of &quot;but I&#039;m a geek and it&#039;s easy to me&quot; mean nothing.

If Linux was the dream everyone imagines, it would have spread like wildfire and everybody would have it. But it didn&#039;t, and they don&#039;t. And then the Linux cultists begin blaming Windoze and Microsoft tyranny for the problem. If making things Linux compatible was a breeze, it would spread, again -- it doesn&#039;t.

If you want to make a statement about Linux running SL faster than XP or Vista, don&#039;t go off on a side trip determining whether XP or Vista run faster, or go off bitching about Linux and video cards. Run the test under proper scientific conditions, and keep an open mind, the same open mind you imagine Microsoft doesn&#039;t have, and which you imagine you have merely by being Linux cultists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since people are charging me with merely showing up her to put eyes on myself again, let me reiterate that I&#8217;ve asked the common-sense and really only penetrating scientific question here, alone as a non-scientist, to people purporting to be scientists (or at least technicians):</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you have a real, authentic scientific test? Multiple times for log-in, multiple times for the test itself, multiple sim settings, not just one 7-minute test on one log-on, on one sim. My word, that ought NOT to be brain science. I don&#8217;t see how you could even be such a lazy thinker to even imagine that one test like that run once would be enough for a post! Run it at least 2-3 times, my God!</p>
<p>Not a single person here is following through on this problem. We heard some long-winded thing from Katiahnya Muromachi saying she couldn&#8217;t finish the test due to Nvidia; we heard another person say Linux installation is a dream except problems with Nvidia drivers; somebody else mentions Nvidia.</p>
<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s one of only two graphic cards stipulated to run with SL. So if Linux can&#8217;t work with it, even if &#8220;through no fault of its own,&#8221; it&#8217;s a show-stopper.</p>
<p>For anyone starting from scratch, having to install Linux and risk messing up all their applications they need for work, AND not being able to solve graphic card compatability, it&#8217;s a show-stopper. Ardent, religious proseltyzing to the effect of &#8220;but I&#8217;m a geek and it&#8217;s easy to me&#8221; mean nothing.</p>
<p>If Linux was the dream everyone imagines, it would have spread like wildfire and everybody would have it. But it didn&#8217;t, and they don&#8217;t. And then the Linux cultists begin blaming Windoze and Microsoft tyranny for the problem. If making things Linux compatible was a breeze, it would spread, again &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you want to make a statement about Linux running SL faster than XP or Vista, don&#8217;t go off on a side trip determining whether XP or Vista run faster, or go off bitching about Linux and video cards. Run the test under proper scientific conditions, and keep an open mind, the same open mind you imagine Microsoft doesn&#8217;t have, and which you imagine you have merely by being Linux cultists.</p>
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		<title>By: Coincidental Avatar</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/sl-speed-showdo.html/comment-page-1#comment-25327</link>
		<dc:creator>Coincidental Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emphasize that the performance difference between Windows/Linux is meaningless compared to the performance difference between SL client and the clients of competitors.

The OpenSim etc. projects provide occasional performance improvement up to 10 times compared to LL creations.

[Note that there are paid and unpaid developers in the open source crowds around SL. And it is deliberately opaque.]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emphasize that the performance difference between Windows/Linux is meaningless compared to the performance difference between SL client and the clients of competitors.</p>
<p>The OpenSim etc. projects provide occasional performance improvement up to 10 times compared to LL creations.</p>
<p>[Note that there are paid and unpaid developers in the open source crowds around SL. And it is deliberately opaque.]</p>
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