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		<title>By: Lisae Boucher</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24833</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisae Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: ok so now they will be gone and land prices should fall a bit i assume.

Maybe, yes. People just panic about all the news about this and since land equals cash, it&#039;s likely they&#039;ll start selling like crazies...
Then others will decide to buy all this cheap land and set up rooms for rental shops and maybe other activities. Rental land is extremely popular within SL and it only has two limitations: price of the land and the price for the monthly tier.

Which brings out another point. Land prices don&#039;t have a lot of influence on people who buy or sell it. For the land-barons it will matter a bit, but for others? It&#039;s an amount you pay once. It&#039;s the monthly tier that&#039;s the bigger limit and that&#039;s not going down. Casino&#039;s will disappear but something will soon replace it.

Prostitution, perhaps? Not likely because it means that you need to be online with your hooker avatar pleasing your customer and you would need to charge huge prices if you want to make a decent income. But any escort service or dating service would be able to make a decent income since they just have to provide a service. They don&#039;t have to be online all the time.

Two things make SL expensive. The first one is tier and the second one is the amount of time you&#039;re spending online. Tier is a disadvantage for individuals but not much of a problem for companies. Time however is no problem for individuals but real expensive for companies who need to hire employees to run their businesses. So there&#039;s a trade-off here. We need individuals to walk around and explore since companies need an audience. (Or customers.) And we need companies to make big investments to keep the whole thing interesting and organized.

And keep in mind that the main grid is technically adult-only. Still, you could wonder if LL will change that in the future if their age verification system turns out to be a failure. Making SL more minor-friendly would then be a good alternative.

I&#039;ve heard suggestions that LL should just migrate everything to Europe because Europeans are more open-minded. That is true for things like sexuality but gambling is probably more restricted here. And Europe does have a few more limitations on Free Speech, especially concerning racism and insulting comments. Not sure what happens in the USA with people who insult the President but recently in the Netherlands, two persons have been arrested and fined for insulting the Queen. So even here there are some trade-offs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: ok so now they will be gone and land prices should fall a bit i assume.</p>
<p>Maybe, yes. People just panic about all the news about this and since land equals cash, it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;ll start selling like crazies&#8230;<br />
Then others will decide to buy all this cheap land and set up rooms for rental shops and maybe other activities. Rental land is extremely popular within SL and it only has two limitations: price of the land and the price for the monthly tier.</p>
<p>Which brings out another point. Land prices don&#8217;t have a lot of influence on people who buy or sell it. For the land-barons it will matter a bit, but for others? It&#8217;s an amount you pay once. It&#8217;s the monthly tier that&#8217;s the bigger limit and that&#8217;s not going down. Casino&#8217;s will disappear but something will soon replace it.</p>
<p>Prostitution, perhaps? Not likely because it means that you need to be online with your hooker avatar pleasing your customer and you would need to charge huge prices if you want to make a decent income. But any escort service or dating service would be able to make a decent income since they just have to provide a service. They don&#8217;t have to be online all the time.</p>
<p>Two things make SL expensive. The first one is tier and the second one is the amount of time you&#8217;re spending online. Tier is a disadvantage for individuals but not much of a problem for companies. Time however is no problem for individuals but real expensive for companies who need to hire employees to run their businesses. So there&#8217;s a trade-off here. We need individuals to walk around and explore since companies need an audience. (Or customers.) And we need companies to make big investments to keep the whole thing interesting and organized.</p>
<p>And keep in mind that the main grid is technically adult-only. Still, you could wonder if LL will change that in the future if their age verification system turns out to be a failure. Making SL more minor-friendly would then be a good alternative.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard suggestions that LL should just migrate everything to Europe because Europeans are more open-minded. That is true for things like sexuality but gambling is probably more restricted here. And Europe does have a few more limitations on Free Speech, especially concerning racism and insulting comments. Not sure what happens in the USA with people who insult the President but recently in the Netherlands, two persons have been arrested and fined for insulting the Queen. So even here there are some trade-offs.</p>
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		<title>By: Allahgod Buddhispaghetti Smith</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24832</link>
		<dc:creator>Allahgod Buddhispaghetti Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m God and I&#039;m in your Second Life touching your stuff...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19997367/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m God and I&#8217;m in your Second Life touching your stuff&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19997367/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19997367/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i never went to casinos personally.  but i think they did contribute to the economy in several ways.   ok so now they will be gone and land prices should fall a bit i assume.
the sex for pay would be next on the linden hit list im thinking.  after closing all the obvious outlets, the advertised escort businesses and locations, then all the profiles with listed dollar amounts, i think that just like rl, it will continue to go on in an underground kind of way.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never went to casinos personally.  but i think they did contribute to the economy in several ways.   ok so now they will be gone and land prices should fall a bit i assume.<br />
the sex for pay would be next on the linden hit list im thinking.  after closing all the obvious outlets, the advertised escort businesses and locations, then all the profiles with listed dollar amounts, i think that just like rl, it will continue to go on in an underground kind of way.</p>
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		<title>By: ugh</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24830</link>
		<dc:creator>ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Neither can I because the hobo is a thief. When Harald drops something in a trash can it belongs to him until it is collected and the ownership is transferred to the waste manager. (Yet again is it amazing how clueless Americans are about ownership.) If you don&#039;t believe this, do a small test. Drop a nuclear missile to your waste can and when the police army arrives, try to claim that you don&#039;t own it anymore.&quot;


On May 16, 1988 the U. S. Supreme Court confirmed that there is no expectation of privacy, or ownership, once an item is left for garbage pickup.

CALIFORNIA v. GREENWOOD, 486 U.S. 35 (1988) see at:
http://www.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&amp;court=US&amp;case=/data/us/486/35.html

Just because the source of an item can be traced to the person who threw it away(in your nuke example) doesn&#039;t mean they still own it. Once it hits the sidewalk, it&#039;s up for grabs, unless the local city/state/county laws prohibit that sort of thing. Yet again it&#039;s amazing how obnoxious people are with their snarky anti-american comments.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither can I because the hobo is a thief. When Harald drops something in a trash can it belongs to him until it is collected and the ownership is transferred to the waste manager. (Yet again is it amazing how clueless Americans are about ownership.) If you don&#8217;t believe this, do a small test. Drop a nuclear missile to your waste can and when the police army arrives, try to claim that you don&#8217;t own it anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>On May 16, 1988 the U. S. Supreme Court confirmed that there is no expectation of privacy, or ownership, once an item is left for garbage pickup.</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA v. GREENWOOD, 486 U.S. 35 (1988) see at:<br />
<a href="http://www.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&#038;court=US&#038;case=/data/us/486/35.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&#038;court=US&#038;case=/data/us/486/35.html</a></p>
<p>Just because the source of an item can be traced to the person who threw it away(in your nuke example) doesn&#8217;t mean they still own it. Once it hits the sidewalk, it&#8217;s up for grabs, unless the local city/state/county laws prohibit that sort of thing. Yet again it&#8217;s amazing how obnoxious people are with their snarky anti-american comments.</p>
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		<title>By: SqueezeOne Pow</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24829</link>
		<dc:creator>SqueezeOne Pow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m confused by these people who accuse casinos of only being Linden sink holes, without moving Lindens back around the grid...&quot;

You are right that a small amount of L$ goes into the pockets of n00bs and non-builder/sellers from camping even when it requires playing a game, but the amount going to campers is miniscule compared to what these guys were making. That was just their advertising budget essentially.

Everything I&#039;ve seen shows that many of the casino owners out there pretty much just cashed their L$ profit out and put it in their RL wallet. The casino owners I&#039;ve met still had n00b skin and generic hair and clothes!

I&#039;m sure they used alts, but still, if they were doing this to make money to put back into their own personal entertainment in SL then these places would at least have some style.

My beef with them was how they are (a) a rip off (never trust a computer program made by the house to generate a TRULY random number and (b) an eyesore and as bad as ad farms (which I suspect a lot of these now empty parcels will turn into).

I&#039;ve said this a bunch, but if someone made a Casino Royale looking place with style and class and some sort of HUD-based system that counted chips instead of L$ then I bet the fun would still be there!

I&#039;d go!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m confused by these people who accuse casinos of only being Linden sink holes, without moving Lindens back around the grid&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right that a small amount of L$ goes into the pockets of n00bs and non-builder/sellers from camping even when it requires playing a game, but the amount going to campers is miniscule compared to what these guys were making. That was just their advertising budget essentially.</p>
<p>Everything I&#8217;ve seen shows that many of the casino owners out there pretty much just cashed their L$ profit out and put it in their RL wallet. The casino owners I&#8217;ve met still had n00b skin and generic hair and clothes!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they used alts, but still, if they were doing this to make money to put back into their own personal entertainment in SL then these places would at least have some style.</p>
<p>My beef with them was how they are (a) a rip off (never trust a computer program made by the house to generate a TRULY random number and (b) an eyesore and as bad as ad farms (which I suspect a lot of these now empty parcels will turn into).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this a bunch, but if someone made a Casino Royale looking place with style and class and some sort of HUD-based system that counted chips instead of L$ then I bet the fun would still be there!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alaska Metro</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24828</link>
		<dc:creator>Alaska Metro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I&#039;m unimpressed with the casino ban. It doesn&#039;t matter whether or not one LIKES the casinos (and no one does when one ends up next door to your McMansion full o&#039; sex balls, lagging your special time.) I just think as a person over the age of majority I should choose what I do with my time and money. If I want to gamble, I should be able to. I understand in the &quot;land of the free&quot; one can&#039;t actually gamble online anymore, it&#039;s now illegal. But if the TOS says the L$ has no value as such, then we&#039;re NOT gambling with real money and it&#039;s NOT illegal.

So does the L$ now have value in and of itself? If so, then LL should not be able to take away your account balance when you&#039;re banned. That&#039;s theft, isn&#039;t it? What confusing messages this company sends.

If we&#039;re complying with the moral and legal governmental decisions of the US here, I&#039;d suggest gay marriage is the next thing to go, not online prostitution. ;) Wonder how they&#039;d enforce THAT one?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I&#8217;m unimpressed with the casino ban. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether or not one LIKES the casinos (and no one does when one ends up next door to your McMansion full o&#8217; sex balls, lagging your special time.) I just think as a person over the age of majority I should choose what I do with my time and money. If I want to gamble, I should be able to. I understand in the &#8220;land of the free&#8221; one can&#8217;t actually gamble online anymore, it&#8217;s now illegal. But if the TOS says the L$ has no value as such, then we&#8217;re NOT gambling with real money and it&#8217;s NOT illegal.</p>
<p>So does the L$ now have value in and of itself? If so, then LL should not be able to take away your account balance when you&#8217;re banned. That&#8217;s theft, isn&#8217;t it? What confusing messages this company sends.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re complying with the moral and legal governmental decisions of the US here, I&#8217;d suggest gay marriage is the next thing to go, not online prostitution. <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Wonder how they&#8217;d enforce THAT one?</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyMan Time</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24827</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyMan Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So - let me think about this a second...

Since LL is claiming that $Ls are REAL MONEY...

and they &quot;print&quot; as many $Ls as they like...

...does that make SL an international counterfeiting ring?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8211; let me think about this a second&#8230;</p>
<p>Since LL is claiming that $Ls are REAL MONEY&#8230;</p>
<p>and they &#8220;print&#8221; as many $Ls as they like&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;does that make SL an international counterfeiting ring?</p>
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		<title>By: Diri</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24826</link>
		<dc:creator>Diri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused by these people who accuse casinos of only being Linden sink holes,  without moving Lindens back around the grid.  I find this unlikely, because from what I&#039;ve seen most casinos also have camp chairs/pads.  Even if you have to play a game to get the camper started, they generally allow you to make back more than the money you put up to start it, and dance pads generally just give Lindens without putting up a payment.

A casino with 10 dance pads operating 24/7 at 24L/10 min gives out 2880 $L in a 24 hour period.  Those Lindens then go into the pockets of those who then spend them at your stores, and on stippers, and so forth.  This also doesn&#039;t count the Lindens that leave the casino to purchase new accouterments for the casino, and Lindens that the casino owners spend to enjoy their own second lives.

Its fine if you hate casinos (or camping, for that matter) but please don&#039;t act like they aren&#039;t forms of redistributing Lindens around the grid.  If you&#039;re going to accuse casinos of being economic sink holes, level the same charges at the big, successful stores - who often don&#039;t even provide campers as a way of redistributing their earnings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused by these people who accuse casinos of only being Linden sink holes,  without moving Lindens back around the grid.  I find this unlikely, because from what I&#8217;ve seen most casinos also have camp chairs/pads.  Even if you have to play a game to get the camper started, they generally allow you to make back more than the money you put up to start it, and dance pads generally just give Lindens without putting up a payment.</p>
<p>A casino with 10 dance pads operating 24/7 at 24L/10 min gives out 2880 $L in a 24 hour period.  Those Lindens then go into the pockets of those who then spend them at your stores, and on stippers, and so forth.  This also doesn&#8217;t count the Lindens that leave the casino to purchase new accouterments for the casino, and Lindens that the casino owners spend to enjoy their own second lives.</p>
<p>Its fine if you hate casinos (or camping, for that matter) but please don&#8217;t act like they aren&#8217;t forms of redistributing Lindens around the grid.  If you&#8217;re going to accuse casinos of being economic sink holes, level the same charges at the big, successful stores &#8211; who often don&#8217;t even provide campers as a way of redistributing their earnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina A</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/07/the-disneyifica.html/comment-page-2#comment-24825</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of gambling places still available in SL. LL aren&#039;t policing it very seriously! If I had the money I&#039;d set up my own gambling den speakeasy. Prohibition can make it more fun.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of gambling places still available in SL. LL aren&#8217;t policing it very seriously! If I had the money I&#8217;d set up my own gambling den speakeasy. Prohibition can make it more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: SLJustice</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLJustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dedicated to virtual freedoms for avatars everywhere.

http://slcongress.com

SLJustice
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<p>SLJustice</p>
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