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		<title>By: A Wikileaks Supporter</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-68258</link>
		<dc:creator>A Wikileaks Supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole Wikileaks fiasco is pretty crazy. You should check out http://voteonwikileaks.com. It&#039;s a recently launched website that seems to be going viral. They got something like 50,000 visitors in the first 24 hours of launch. It&#039;s sort of like a crowdsourced collection of arguments against and for Wikileaks. As a blog owner, you&#039;d probably find some of the opinions there a good read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole Wikileaks fiasco is pretty crazy. You should check out <a href="http://voteonwikileaks.com" rel="nofollow">http://voteonwikileaks.com</a>. It&#8217;s a recently launched website that seems to be going viral. They got something like 50,000 visitors in the first 24 hours of launch. It&#8217;s sort of like a crowdsourced collection of arguments against and for Wikileaks. As a blog owner, you&#8217;d probably find some of the opinions there a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21660</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A settlement in a lawsuit isn&#039;t winning it; it&#039;s just settling.

Usually the terms of such settlements involve both parties agreeing not to discuss the terms themselves and indeed the case. So I wonder how much Marc Woebegone is going to go around babbling about this case.

I don&#039;t view the settlement as a positive outcome, but it&#039;s not a win for Bragg, although it&#039;s a loss for all of us, and for LL, and for morality and legality in general.

Still, his outrageous gambit is not vindicated in any way, as it did not lead to a judgement in a court of law, thank God.

His actions are not declared lawful.
They are not recognized as lawful by any court.

There is merely a settlement of the case out of court.

http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/10/linde-lab-caves.html

I do have to wonder -- what kind of person or company would hire a lawyer who would start a frivilous and harassing lawsuit, make constant outrageous comments about it to the media, bully and harass bloggers and reporters who comment on the case, make a spoof site of a critical blogger&#039;s site to harass them, call people who disagree with the outcome &quot;a big butt&quot; and go around smugly saying &quot;I won, I told you so&quot; -- when it&#039;s merely a settlement?

Would anyone hire such a lawyer?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A settlement in a lawsuit isn&#8217;t winning it; it&#8217;s just settling.</p>
<p>Usually the terms of such settlements involve both parties agreeing not to discuss the terms themselves and indeed the case. So I wonder how much Marc Woebegone is going to go around babbling about this case.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t view the settlement as a positive outcome, but it&#8217;s not a win for Bragg, although it&#8217;s a loss for all of us, and for LL, and for morality and legality in general.</p>
<p>Still, his outrageous gambit is not vindicated in any way, as it did not lead to a judgement in a court of law, thank God.</p>
<p>His actions are not declared lawful.<br />
They are not recognized as lawful by any court.</p>
<p>There is merely a settlement of the case out of court.</p>
<p><a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/10/linde-lab-caves.html" rel="nofollow">http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/10/linde-lab-caves.html</a></p>
<p>I do have to wonder &#8212; what kind of person or company would hire a lawyer who would start a frivilous and harassing lawsuit, make constant outrageous comments about it to the media, bully and harass bloggers and reporters who comment on the case, make a spoof site of a critical blogger&#8217;s site to harass them, call people who disagree with the outcome &#8220;a big butt&#8221; and go around smugly saying &#8220;I won, I told you so&#8221; &#8212; when it&#8217;s merely a settlement?</p>
<p>Would anyone hire such a lawyer?</p>
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		<title>By: Simondo Nebestanka</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21659</link>
		<dc:creator>Simondo Nebestanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;..why would one pour thousands of US dollars into a virtual land profit scheme, which relied on an exploit for said profitability, ensuingly running the risk of forfeiting everything in that (LL owned) account?&#039;

I can now answer my own question.  I guess one would pour thousands of dollars into an exploitative scheme, and forfeit their investment, if a secondary goal was to lay the foundation for a law suit.

Fun game hey?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;..why would one pour thousands of US dollars into a virtual land profit scheme, which relied on an exploit for said profitability, ensuingly running the risk of forfeiting everything in that (LL owned) account?&#8217;</p>
<p>I can now answer my own question.  I guess one would pour thousands of dollars into an exploitative scheme, and forfeit their investment, if a secondary goal was to lay the foundation for a law suit.</p>
<p>Fun game hey?</p>
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		<title>By: Whadaya Know</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21658</link>
		<dc:creator>Whadaya Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So word is that Linden Lab settled with Bragg and his account has been reinstated. Guess his activity wasn&#039;t &quot;criminal&quot; after all.

Next up: libel suits. Yippee!!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So word is that Linden Lab settled with Bragg and his account has been reinstated. Guess his activity wasn&#8217;t &#8220;criminal&#8221; after all.</p>
<p>Next up: libel suits. Yippee!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Simondo Nebestanka</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21657</link>
		<dc:creator>Simondo Nebestanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/me humbly retracts earlier statement that Marc&#039;s website was a hoax.  I have been mulling this over and submit the following thoughts after the quote..

http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index_mail.shtml?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/05-08-2006/0004356685&amp;EDATE=

&#039;Bragg learned of a way to purchase virtual land significantly below market values, and invested thousands of US dollars purchasing land in an attempt to resell this land at a profit.&#039; - quote from Marc&#039;s press release in May 2006.  My apologies for re-quoting this as I had done in a post on Marc&#039;s blog, but I think it&#039;s important to be clear about the intent of the initial action.

A read of the TOS sections 1.4 (currency), 3.3 (ownership of data), and 2.6 (termination of account) indicates that a) everything in a resident&#039;s account is owned by LL, not the resident; and b) a resident&#039;s account can be shut down for any reason and for no reason.  One becomes a Second Life resident after accepting those conditions.

If those TOS sections were in place at the time, why would one pour thousands of US dollars into a virtual land profit scheme, which relied on an exploit for said profitability, ensuingly running the risk of forfeiting everything in that (LL owned) account?

When I see Marc frequently referring to a &#039;game&#039; - is this meant in the sense that &#039;life is a game&#039;, or more specifically a game-like business approach to profiting using all available means?  Is the game &#039;I am running the risk of losing thousands of dollars on this investment&#039;?  Or am I reading too much into it, and Marc is simply referring to &#039;Second Life&#039; as a &#039;game&#039;?  I don&#039;t mean for these questions to sound facetious, as I do realise folks interpret SL in many different ways.

Peace

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/me humbly retracts earlier statement that Marc&#8217;s website was a hoax.  I have been mulling this over and submit the following thoughts after the quote..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index_mail.shtml?ACCT=104&#038;STORY=/www/story/05-08-2006/0004356685&#038;EDATE" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index_mail.shtml?ACCT=104&#038;STORY=/www/story/05-08-2006/0004356685&#038;EDATE</a>=</p>
<p>&#8216;Bragg learned of a way to purchase virtual land significantly below market values, and invested thousands of US dollars purchasing land in an attempt to resell this land at a profit.&#8217; &#8211; quote from Marc&#8217;s press release in May 2006.  My apologies for re-quoting this as I had done in a post on Marc&#8217;s blog, but I think it&#8217;s important to be clear about the intent of the initial action.</p>
<p>A read of the TOS sections 1.4 (currency), 3.3 (ownership of data), and 2.6 (termination of account) indicates that a) everything in a resident&#8217;s account is owned by LL, not the resident; and b) a resident&#8217;s account can be shut down for any reason and for no reason.  One becomes a Second Life resident after accepting those conditions.</p>
<p>If those TOS sections were in place at the time, why would one pour thousands of US dollars into a virtual land profit scheme, which relied on an exploit for said profitability, ensuingly running the risk of forfeiting everything in that (LL owned) account?</p>
<p>When I see Marc frequently referring to a &#8216;game&#8217; &#8211; is this meant in the sense that &#8216;life is a game&#8217;, or more specifically a game-like business approach to profiting using all available means?  Is the game &#8216;I am running the risk of losing thousands of dollars on this investment&#8217;?  Or am I reading too much into it, and Marc is simply referring to &#8216;Second Life&#8217; as a &#8216;game&#8217;?  I don&#8217;t mean for these questions to sound facetious, as I do realise folks interpret SL in many different ways.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Woebegone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Woebegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prokofy

&quot;Win&quot;? Ur ridiculous.

M
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prokofy</p>
<p>&#8220;Win&#8221;? Ur ridiculous.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: just sayin</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21655</link>
		<dc:creator>just sayin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Winning this case, Marc Bragg, will do far more to harm your reputation than any blogger could achieve by writing about it. That is what you will have to live with for the rest of your life, First and Second ; )

Prokofy&#039;s a great example since her nasty, foul-mouthed behavior ruined her reputation for the rest of her life. First and Second.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Winning this case, Marc Bragg, will do far more to harm your reputation than any blogger could achieve by writing about it. That is what you will have to live with for the rest of your life, First and Second ; )</p>
<p>Prokofy&#8217;s a great example since her nasty, foul-mouthed behavior ruined her reputation for the rest of her life. First and Second.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winning this case, Marc Bragg, will do far more to harm your reputation than any blogger could achieve by writing about it. That is what you will have to live with for the rest of your life, First and Second ; )

Losing it gracefully by dropping the immoral and unlawful part of your claims -- especially if you can at least win on the narrow point of the right to reclaim that part of your wealth unjustly seized -- won&#039;t help your reputation any, but it will be a good thing for Second Life that will at least be conceded to you.

It&#039;s your choice how you would like to go down in history.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winning this case, Marc Bragg, will do far more to harm your reputation than any blogger could achieve by writing about it. That is what you will have to live with for the rest of your life, First and Second ; )</p>
<p>Losing it gracefully by dropping the immoral and unlawful part of your claims &#8212; especially if you can at least win on the narrow point of the right to reclaim that part of your wealth unjustly seized &#8212; won&#8217;t help your reputation any, but it will be a good thing for Second Life that will at least be conceded to you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your choice how you would like to go down in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Woebegone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Woebegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And coco, really... how ridiculous an assumption. To suggest the &quot;right&quot; t thing to do was to report a method of exploiting? That&#039;s the point of the game, isn&#039;t it? To try and &quot;make money&quot;? And aren&#039;t all monies in the game made at the profit of someone else? Including your&#039;s? Landlord / tenant, buyer / seller, etc.... how easily your draw moral conclusions. By what authority?

M
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And coco, really&#8230; how ridiculous an assumption. To suggest the &#8220;right&#8221; t thing to do was to report a method of exploiting? That&#8217;s the point of the game, isn&#8217;t it? To try and &#8220;make money&#8221;? And aren&#8217;t all monies in the game made at the profit of someone else? Including your&#8217;s? Landlord / tenant, buyer / seller, etc&#8230;. how easily your draw moral conclusions. By what authority?</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Woebegone</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/big-blog-dramha.html/comment-page-1#comment-21652</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Woebegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prokofy,

Why are you always so intentionally ignorant? You are so foolish to think that I will &quot;lose&quot; this csae.... simply not going to happen. What will happen will be a good result for eveyrone as it has already been proven to be; even good for you though you rattle and babble incessantly about how its all the end of the world.... and such a little world it is too that you parade around.

Marc
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prokofy,</p>
<p>Why are you always so intentionally ignorant? You are so foolish to think that I will &#8220;lose&#8221; this csae&#8230;. simply not going to happen. What will happen will be a good result for eveyrone as it has already been proven to be; even good for you though you rattle and babble incessantly about how its all the end of the world&#8230;. and such a little world it is too that you parade around.</p>
<p>Marc</p>
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