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	<title>Comments on: Dutch Prosecutor Drops Second Life Ageplay Investigation</title>
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		<title>By: Flying Dutchman</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22679</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying Dutchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Humanoid

&quot;Why would they give a damn about what Dutch prosecutors think, anyway? Who would be dumb enough to base any part of a business based on social interaction in a country with such silly laws? I can see setting up a tool and die factory, or a food business in Europe, but certainly not any sort of business that relies on freedom of speech to function.&quot;

Pardon? Silly laws, yes we do have them. But which ones are you refering to? The law that it&#039;s legal for coffeshops to sell cannabis, but buying it is still a crominal offence, sure, that&#039;s a prime example of a silly law. But in this matter, not relevant. So, which laws?

Also, why bring up freedom of speech? I don&#039;t think you know too much about the Netherlands, if you bring that up. Freedom of speech is one of the founding laws of the Netherlands, and is kept in VERY high regard by the government and it&#039;s citizens.

and really, LL has already shown, with the whole German peadophilia case, LL has already shown they care about foreign (for them) laws enough to ensure that their product can legally be used by people in other countries. Which, is a good thing. But, as Darkfoxx above already pointed out, there are NO LAWS against VIRTUAL peodophilia. Only against the real stuff. Know why? The Netherlands respect the rights of their citizens and know the difference between real and fake.

Who would be dumb enough to open their mouth about things they don&#039;t know anything about? Like, our country and it&#039;s laws, for instance?

Think before you speak. (or type..)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Humanoid</p>
<p>&#8220;Why would they give a damn about what Dutch prosecutors think, anyway? Who would be dumb enough to base any part of a business based on social interaction in a country with such silly laws? I can see setting up a tool and die factory, or a food business in Europe, but certainly not any sort of business that relies on freedom of speech to function.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pardon? Silly laws, yes we do have them. But which ones are you refering to? The law that it&#8217;s legal for coffeshops to sell cannabis, but buying it is still a crominal offence, sure, that&#8217;s a prime example of a silly law. But in this matter, not relevant. So, which laws?</p>
<p>Also, why bring up freedom of speech? I don&#8217;t think you know too much about the Netherlands, if you bring that up. Freedom of speech is one of the founding laws of the Netherlands, and is kept in VERY high regard by the government and it&#8217;s citizens.</p>
<p>and really, LL has already shown, with the whole German peadophilia case, LL has already shown they care about foreign (for them) laws enough to ensure that their product can legally be used by people in other countries. Which, is a good thing. But, as Darkfoxx above already pointed out, there are NO LAWS against VIRTUAL peodophilia. Only against the real stuff. Know why? The Netherlands respect the rights of their citizens and know the difference between real and fake.</p>
<p>Who would be dumb enough to open their mouth about things they don&#8217;t know anything about? Like, our country and it&#8217;s laws, for instance?</p>
<p>Think before you speak. (or type..)</p>
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		<title>By: bleh</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22678</link>
		<dc:creator>bleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tenshi:

It&#039;s no-one damn buisness what others do with their time. So no, don&#039;t report on it, as it&#039;s not your, or your friend&#039;s job either.
I find the idea of this kind of thought policing and violating someone&#039;s right to decide for themselves what to do broadly offensive.

I don&#039;t like sexual ageplay either, but it&#039;s not my place to judge.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tenshi:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no-one damn buisness what others do with their time. So no, don&#8217;t report on it, as it&#8217;s not your, or your friend&#8217;s job either.<br />
I find the idea of this kind of thought policing and violating someone&#8217;s right to decide for themselves what to do broadly offensive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like sexual ageplay either, but it&#8217;s not my place to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenshi Vielle</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22677</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenshi Vielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a slow day for me guys. I&#039;m comment-whoring on the Herald as a result.

@URI: Uri, I found another sexual ageplay place this morning by way of a friend whose made it her personal duty (oddly) to track these places down. Do you want me to report on it - especially since being told by Lindens that it&#039;s not their job to take care of it? :O :O :O :O ZOMG

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a slow day for me guys. I&#8217;m comment-whoring on the Herald as a result.</p>
<p>@URI: Uri, I found another sexual ageplay place this morning by way of a friend whose made it her personal duty (oddly) to track these places down. Do you want me to report on it &#8211; especially since being told by Lindens that it&#8217;s not their job to take care of it? :O :O :O :O ZOMG</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Leveaux</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22676</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Leveaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was put forward there;
&quot;Today, Lucien reports the following:

I know what will happen: nothing. There will be no case. They think the children in SL are not realistic enough.&quot;

Sounds like The reporters personal Conclusion, Not a Ruling. He appears to be Speculating. The Last SOLID comment from the prosecutors office was:
&quot;Lucien contacted the prosecutor’s office immediately, but was told that the matter was still under investigation.&quot;

The reporter MAY have More Current information But if he does he needs to Put it forward with More certainty than something that sounds like mere opinion.

Did LL jump the gun on Sexual Ageplay? Actually, i would have to say no. There was a very real atmosphere developing where criminal prosecutions could result. LL in seeing this Potential growing was right to deal with it BEFORE any Charges were laid, or sanctions levied that would have affected LL&#039;s shareholders, and players Much More than the Restrictions they Placed.

I DO Object to their use of the Impossibly Vague description of &quot;Broadly offensive&quot; Without any Supporting or Qualifying Criteria. In Giving themselves the broadest possible latitude in Dealing with sexual Age Play, they have left the Doors Wide Open to Hinder or ban any number of Popular, and very legal forms of Roleplay as well. it&#039;s created an atmosphere of suspicion, and Insecurity that Will Impact upon peoples chioce to Enter SL when there are other game platforms who&#039;s policies and Practices are made Much Clearer to it&#039;s potential Customers.

Maria.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was put forward there;<br />
&#8220;Today, Lucien reports the following:</p>
<p>I know what will happen: nothing. There will be no case. They think the children in SL are not realistic enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like The reporters personal Conclusion, Not a Ruling. He appears to be Speculating. The Last SOLID comment from the prosecutors office was:<br />
&#8220;Lucien contacted the prosecutor’s office immediately, but was told that the matter was still under investigation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reporter MAY have More Current information But if he does he needs to Put it forward with More certainty than something that sounds like mere opinion.</p>
<p>Did LL jump the gun on Sexual Ageplay? Actually, i would have to say no. There was a very real atmosphere developing where criminal prosecutions could result. LL in seeing this Potential growing was right to deal with it BEFORE any Charges were laid, or sanctions levied that would have affected LL&#8217;s shareholders, and players Much More than the Restrictions they Placed.</p>
<p>I DO Object to their use of the Impossibly Vague description of &#8220;Broadly offensive&#8221; Without any Supporting or Qualifying Criteria. In Giving themselves the broadest possible latitude in Dealing with sexual Age Play, they have left the Doors Wide Open to Hinder or ban any number of Popular, and very legal forms of Roleplay as well. it&#8217;s created an atmosphere of suspicion, and Insecurity that Will Impact upon peoples chioce to Enter SL when there are other game platforms who&#8217;s policies and Practices are made Much Clearer to it&#8217;s potential Customers.</p>
<p>Maria.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkfoxx</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22675</link>
		<dc:creator>Darkfoxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interresting to note that there still ISN&#039;T any law in the Netherlands against sexual ageplay on SL, or wherever.

The goverment did LOOK at virtual peodiphilia, but a law was never made. Only concidered.

Still, I hear everyone mentioning the Netherlands as a country where &quot;representations of child sex are illegal in the Netherlands, even if children were not involved in the making of the porn&quot;.

Not true. Our country, LUCKILY, realizes very well the difference between &#039;real&#039; and &#039;fake&#039; and still holds freedom of speech in very high regard.

As opposed to some countries where certain games are forbidden for example for being too violent... &gt;.&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interresting to note that there still ISN&#8217;T any law in the Netherlands against sexual ageplay on SL, or wherever.</p>
<p>The goverment did LOOK at virtual peodiphilia, but a law was never made. Only concidered.</p>
<p>Still, I hear everyone mentioning the Netherlands as a country where &#8220;representations of child sex are illegal in the Netherlands, even if children were not involved in the making of the porn&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not true. Our country, LUCKILY, realizes very well the difference between &#8216;real&#8217; and &#8216;fake&#8217; and still holds freedom of speech in very high regard.</p>
<p>As opposed to some countries where certain games are forbidden for example for being too violent&#8230; >.></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholaz Beresford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholaz Beresford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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Excuse me, but is

)) I know what will happen: nothing. There will be no case. They think the children in SL are not realistic enough. ((

anything but speculation?






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but is</p>
<p>)) I know what will happen: nothing. There will be no case. They think the children in SL are not realistic enough. ((</p>
<p>anything but speculation?</p>
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		<title>By: Wilburr</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22673</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilburr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Uri,

Did this reporter call the prosecutor&#039;s office? And get an actual answer? or is he just speculating?&quot;

Since when did YOU have anything against speculation there Prokzac?

*snickers*
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Uri,</p>
<p>Did this reporter call the prosecutor&#8217;s office? And get an actual answer? or is he just speculating?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when did YOU have anything against speculation there Prokzac?</p>
<p>*snickers*</p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22672</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, were you even paying attention?  Luuc is not a herald reporter, but is a reporter for the Tentsche Courant Tubantia, which is a Newspaper in The Netherlands, as I said.  I even gave you the link:  http://www.tctubantia.nl/.  By contrast, the Herald is a blog/newspaper covering second life, in English, and *this* is the link:  http://www.secondlifeherald.com.  I know I know, they look so much alike.  I can see how you got confused.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre, were you even paying attention?  Luuc is not a herald reporter, but is a reporter for the Tentsche Courant Tubantia, which is a Newspaper in The Netherlands, as I said.  I even gave you the link:  <a href="http://www.tctubantia.nl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tctubantia.nl/</a>.  By contrast, the Herald is a blog/newspaper covering second life, in English, and *this* is the link:  <a href="http://www.secondlifeherald.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.secondlifeherald.com</a>.  I know I know, they look so much alike.  I can see how you got confused.</p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/dutch-prosecuto.html/comment-page-1#comment-22671</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok, the reporter contacted the prosecutor&#039;s office directly, both in June and more recently.  If anyone wants to follow up, as I said the reporter is luuc writer in second life and can be reached at luucwriter@live.nl or at L.Baard@tubantia.wegener.nl.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok, the reporter contacted the prosecutor&#8217;s office directly, both in June and more recently.  If anyone wants to follow up, as I said the reporter is luuc writer in second life and can be reached at <a href="mailto:luucwriter@live.nl">luucwriter@live.nl</a> or at <a href="mailto:L.Baard@tubantia.wegener.nl">L.Baard@tubantia.wegener.nl</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Ison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Ison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like an enhancement request to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an enhancement request to me.</p>
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