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		<title>By: Spadesrun Hotshot</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21461</link>
		<dc:creator>Spadesrun Hotshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one fact missing. You went to a business meeting which insinuates that person had something you wanted. You met at their place. Which means you meet by their rules. You were the intruder, not them. Next time, discuss the details of the meeting before hand, or meet in a public and professional place.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one fact missing. You went to a business meeting which insinuates that person had something you wanted. You met at their place. Which means you meet by their rules. You were the intruder, not them. Next time, discuss the details of the meeting before hand, or meet in a public and professional place.</p>
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		<title>By: Spadesrun Hotshot</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21460</link>
		<dc:creator>Spadesrun Hotshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one fact missing. You went to a business meeting which insinuates that person had something you wanted. You met at their place. Which means you meet by their rules. You were the intruder, not them. Slavery by willingness is more than sexual fetish. In business it can be very practicle to set bounds on dealing with superiors. The mistress was running the meeting, the slave, may have been instructed to speak up if the mistress was missing something. Often the slave or assistant would research teh details and therefore their input was of value. Your reference to the slaves challenge may have been seen as you getting upset about being caught trying to decieve the mistress. But regardless, next time, discuss the details of the meeting before hand, or meet in a public and professional place.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one fact missing. You went to a business meeting which insinuates that person had something you wanted. You met at their place. Which means you meet by their rules. You were the intruder, not them. Slavery by willingness is more than sexual fetish. In business it can be very practicle to set bounds on dealing with superiors. The mistress was running the meeting, the slave, may have been instructed to speak up if the mistress was missing something. Often the slave or assistant would research teh details and therefore their input was of value. Your reference to the slaves challenge may have been seen as you getting upset about being caught trying to decieve the mistress. But regardless, next time, discuss the details of the meeting before hand, or meet in a public and professional place.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbie Starr</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21459</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbie Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction I agree with Tallulah Bourjade, sorry Jenny.   First time posting here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction I agree with Tallulah Bourjade, sorry Jenny.   First time posting here.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbie Starr</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21458</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbie Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought. Ever ask if this person was coming there for business related to BDSM or Vanilla? The person posting the question really doesn&#039;t state what the business was for. Yes BDSM people do have business in the BDSM world as well. How do you know he wasn&#039;t there trying to sell her a dungeon? The point of this question was that the slave spoke out and the person was offended by it. Not that they were there for business.  And for those here I beg to differ about business and agree with Jenny. &quot;Live and Let Live&quot;.  As long as it&#039;s not obscene why would it matter if the person wants to kneel or not. They obviously must like sitting on their knees. Because in reality no one can really force someone in a consensual relationship to do something they don&#039;t want to. So why should another person be offended if it makes that person happy to do it. It shouldn&#039;t be there business or affect them. Aside from this, this is SL not RL and a lot of things happen in SL that you wouldn&#039;t normally see RL anyways.  Now I could see if you came to someones house and the person was screaming for help or gagged and looked in pain in a frightful position or even in a cage with no water. Call the cops!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought. Ever ask if this person was coming there for business related to BDSM or Vanilla? The person posting the question really doesn&#8217;t state what the business was for. Yes BDSM people do have business in the BDSM world as well. How do you know he wasn&#8217;t there trying to sell her a dungeon? The point of this question was that the slave spoke out and the person was offended by it. Not that they were there for business.  And for those here I beg to differ about business and agree with Jenny. &#8220;Live and Let Live&#8221;.  As long as it&#8217;s not obscene why would it matter if the person wants to kneel or not. They obviously must like sitting on their knees. Because in reality no one can really force someone in a consensual relationship to do something they don&#8217;t want to. So why should another person be offended if it makes that person happy to do it. It shouldn&#8217;t be there business or affect them. Aside from this, this is SL not RL and a lot of things happen in SL that you wouldn&#8217;t normally see RL anyways.  Now I could see if you came to someones house and the person was screaming for help or gagged and looked in pain in a frightful position or even in a cage with no water. Call the cops!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tallulah Bourjade</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21457</link>
		<dc:creator>Tallulah Bourjade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First...not all slaves are mindless nitwits.Yes..I am a slave. I am also a business woman. I do not take off my collar to speak to people..and if my Master were around and I was the one conducting business..I would most likely be standing. If he were and I was present? Chances are I would be kneeling quietly. However...being on my knee&#039;s does not make me stupid or incapable of speaking professionally. Being a slave is also not some kinky sex choice, thank you. It is part of who I am, as simply as being gay. The Mistress being spoken of is obviously a drama digger, and most likely would behave the same in any situation, slave present or not. Professionalism doesn&#039;t come with lifestyle choice sadly. I have dealt with many who were unprofessional in their behaviour who were single/straight and what have you. Please do not generalize. It only makes you look ignorant.

And err.. while I am not Gorean, I do have Gorean experience and think its kind of funny the slaves dont speak in public and to their Master only in IM? No. Though yes, a well mannered Gorean slave will ask for permission to speak freely. Asking to speak freely generally means the slave has a strong opinion on the topic at hand.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First&#8230;not all slaves are mindless nitwits.Yes..I am a slave. I am also a business woman. I do not take off my collar to speak to people..and if my Master were around and I was the one conducting business..I would most likely be standing. If he were and I was present? Chances are I would be kneeling quietly. However&#8230;being on my knee&#8217;s does not make me stupid or incapable of speaking professionally. Being a slave is also not some kinky sex choice, thank you. It is part of who I am, as simply as being gay. The Mistress being spoken of is obviously a drama digger, and most likely would behave the same in any situation, slave present or not. Professionalism doesn&#8217;t come with lifestyle choice sadly. I have dealt with many who were unprofessional in their behaviour who were single/straight and what have you. Please do not generalize. It only makes you look ignorant.</p>
<p>And err.. while I am not Gorean, I do have Gorean experience and think its kind of funny the slaves dont speak in public and to their Master only in IM? No. Though yes, a well mannered Gorean slave will ask for permission to speak freely. Asking to speak freely generally means the slave has a strong opinion on the topic at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Raymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Raymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to take so long getting back.  Damn rl, eh?

My OP was deliberately intended to spark discussion.  For the record, the initial feeling of &quot;why the hell has this woman brought her sexual activity to a business meeting&quot; is probably how I would have reacted and I would have probably left with the understanding that she was not taking the meeting seriously enough for my liking.

I think it&#039;s worth pointing out that the word &quot;slave&quot; is a somewhat loaded one.  To some people it could imply a prisoner, someone put to work against their will.  To others it might imply kinky sexual games (as I believe may be the case here although I&#039;m happy to be corrected).  Others may think of someone who had willingly slaved themselves to a cause or group in return for certain gains e.g. security.

What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone in another country where slavery of the first kind was still practiced?  How would you react to that?  How would you feel about that?

What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone who brought along their sexual slave?  How would you react to that?  How would you deal with that?

What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone who brought along a slave of the third kind, the willing volunteer?  How would you react to that?  How would you deal with that?

My point about dealing with another culture (perhaps sub-culture might have been a better term) is that in these situations we are indeed dealing with other cultures and we are forced to consider our feelings about those cultures and whether we wish to deal with them or, if we have no choice about dealing with them, how we deal with our own feelings about the matter.

We have to remember that &quot;slaves&quot; in sl are not slaves of the first kind, the unwilling prisoner forced to work.  Unless it has become possible to imprison the avatars of others now and force them to run animations?  These people, when they become slaves, are choosing that role for themselves and so could (possibly) be classed as the third type that I outlined above.

What is at issue here is not the issue of &quot;slavery&quot;.  Rather the issue is whether it is appropriate to flaunt sexual activities at inappropriate times and in inappropriate places e.g. a business meeting (unless of course the business meeting was in regard to an area related to that subject perhaps).  Between members of the same sub-culture, it may be appropriate to conduct meetings in this way but where a meeting will cross the culture-boundary, surely the participants should consider the feelings of those they intend to meet and compromise as far as possible?  And where compromise isn&#039;t possible, that should be communicated well in advance so that there are no culture shocks awaiting us when we walk into the meeting room.  And the keyword there is &quot;communication&quot;.  Just as important in sl as in rl.

Or perhaps we could even go so far as to argue that we should not allow our meatspace emotional and cultural baggage to shape our second lives and that we need an entirely new paradigm in order to successfully deal with this particular world?  I know that some do argue that case although it&#039;s not one I particularly agree with personally.

btw, also for the record, DaveOner pointed out that I should get out of the house more  8D.  I would agree that some people might need to do this but as I have travelled the world pretty extensively from Europe to Africa to Asia to the United States, I&#039;ve seen more than a few cultures on their home ground.  I do agree with his sentiment though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to take so long getting back.  Damn rl, eh?</p>
<p>My OP was deliberately intended to spark discussion.  For the record, the initial feeling of &#8220;why the hell has this woman brought her sexual activity to a business meeting&#8221; is probably how I would have reacted and I would have probably left with the understanding that she was not taking the meeting seriously enough for my liking.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s worth pointing out that the word &#8220;slave&#8221; is a somewhat loaded one.  To some people it could imply a prisoner, someone put to work against their will.  To others it might imply kinky sexual games (as I believe may be the case here although I&#8217;m happy to be corrected).  Others may think of someone who had willingly slaved themselves to a cause or group in return for certain gains e.g. security.</p>
<p>What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone in another country where slavery of the first kind was still practiced?  How would you react to that?  How would you feel about that?</p>
<p>What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone who brought along their sexual slave?  How would you react to that?  How would you deal with that?</p>
<p>What if in your rl you had to conduct a business meeting with someone who brought along a slave of the third kind, the willing volunteer?  How would you react to that?  How would you deal with that?</p>
<p>My point about dealing with another culture (perhaps sub-culture might have been a better term) is that in these situations we are indeed dealing with other cultures and we are forced to consider our feelings about those cultures and whether we wish to deal with them or, if we have no choice about dealing with them, how we deal with our own feelings about the matter.</p>
<p>We have to remember that &#8220;slaves&#8221; in sl are not slaves of the first kind, the unwilling prisoner forced to work.  Unless it has become possible to imprison the avatars of others now and force them to run animations?  These people, when they become slaves, are choosing that role for themselves and so could (possibly) be classed as the third type that I outlined above.</p>
<p>What is at issue here is not the issue of &#8220;slavery&#8221;.  Rather the issue is whether it is appropriate to flaunt sexual activities at inappropriate times and in inappropriate places e.g. a business meeting (unless of course the business meeting was in regard to an area related to that subject perhaps).  Between members of the same sub-culture, it may be appropriate to conduct meetings in this way but where a meeting will cross the culture-boundary, surely the participants should consider the feelings of those they intend to meet and compromise as far as possible?  And where compromise isn&#8217;t possible, that should be communicated well in advance so that there are no culture shocks awaiting us when we walk into the meeting room.  And the keyword there is &#8220;communication&#8221;.  Just as important in sl as in rl.</p>
<p>Or perhaps we could even go so far as to argue that we should not allow our meatspace emotional and cultural baggage to shape our second lives and that we need an entirely new paradigm in order to successfully deal with this particular world?  I know that some do argue that case although it&#8217;s not one I particularly agree with personally.</p>
<p>btw, also for the record, DaveOner pointed out that I should get out of the house more  8D.  I would agree that some people might need to do this but as I have travelled the world pretty extensively from Europe to Africa to Asia to the United States, I&#8217;ve seen more than a few cultures on their home ground.  I do agree with his sentiment though.</p>
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		<title>By: Avanti Palmer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21455</link>
		<dc:creator>Avanti Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article. One people must not choice to be slave.
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		<title>By: Artemis Fate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21454</link>
		<dc:creator>Artemis Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the above two posts.  There&#039;s a reason that corporate environments even have a style of dress (suits), because when you&#039;re doing business, you&#039;re doing business, and if you&#039;re not representing a large entity, and thus required to leave your individuality behind to be a representative of the larger group.  Or if you&#039;re appealing to another group and thus trying to make that said group feel comfortable, you need to leave culture and really many aspects of individuality behind, much less your kinky sex games.  This is necessary so something like this Mistress&#039; petty tantrum over a misunderstanding doesn&#039;t happen and disrupt whatever business that was happening.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the above two posts.  There&#8217;s a reason that corporate environments even have a style of dress (suits), because when you&#8217;re doing business, you&#8217;re doing business, and if you&#8217;re not representing a large entity, and thus required to leave your individuality behind to be a representative of the larger group.  Or if you&#8217;re appealing to another group and thus trying to make that said group feel comfortable, you need to leave culture and really many aspects of individuality behind, much less your kinky sex games.  This is necessary so something like this Mistress&#8217; petty tantrum over a misunderstanding doesn&#8217;t happen and disrupt whatever business that was happening.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveOner</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/09/the-voyeur-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-21453</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another culture? If you think some dork in a video game with another dork in a video game for a pet qualifies as &quot;culture&quot; then you really need to get out of your house and travel a little bit.

If I was there to do business I would have cancelled the whole thing upon the site of a slave dork on the floor. If I&#039;m going to be putting the fate of my money in someone else&#039;s hands they have to take me, themselves and the world somewhat serious. At least serious enough to put that shit away during transactions with someone whose fetishes (or lack thereof) aren&#039;t apparent to them yet.

I wouldn&#039;t show up covered in guns and grenades when meeting with someone that is obviously approaching this from another angle. It&#039;s a sign of respect to make an effort NOT to alienate someone you&#039;re getting ready to do business with.

As far as dealing with someone else&#039;s property, I HAVE been in situations where someone&#039;s slave dork was mouthing off to me. Instead of rebuking it yourself you look to the owner and say &quot;are you going to muzzle your property?&quot;

Between this article and the last few furry/griefer-tard articles it looks like SLH is catering to the lowest common denominator. I guess every demographic needs their own equivalent to Jenny Jones. Off to the Insider I go...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another culture? If you think some dork in a video game with another dork in a video game for a pet qualifies as &#8220;culture&#8221; then you really need to get out of your house and travel a little bit.</p>
<p>If I was there to do business I would have cancelled the whole thing upon the site of a slave dork on the floor. If I&#8217;m going to be putting the fate of my money in someone else&#8217;s hands they have to take me, themselves and the world somewhat serious. At least serious enough to put that shit away during transactions with someone whose fetishes (or lack thereof) aren&#8217;t apparent to them yet.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t show up covered in guns and grenades when meeting with someone that is obviously approaching this from another angle. It&#8217;s a sign of respect to make an effort NOT to alienate someone you&#8217;re getting ready to do business with.</p>
<p>As far as dealing with someone else&#8217;s property, I HAVE been in situations where someone&#8217;s slave dork was mouthing off to me. Instead of rebuking it yourself you look to the owner and say &#8220;are you going to muzzle your property?&#8221;</p>
<p>Between this article and the last few furry/griefer-tard articles it looks like SLH is catering to the lowest common denominator. I guess every demographic needs their own equivalent to Jenny Jones. Off to the Insider I go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ananda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I read that story, had the same thought, and came to the opposite conclusion.  Business is a culture all its own and by bringing a slave to the meeting with someone outside of the role-play environment demonstrates to me a lack of professional ethics.  One doesn&#039;t generally put one&#039;s fetishes and lack of regard for the dignity of fellow human beings on display if serious deals are being made.  Then again, maybe I&#039;m just a bigot because I don&#039;t care to see any human being degraded or treated like property, ever.  *Some* cultural values are definitely improvements over others.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I read that story, had the same thought, and came to the opposite conclusion.  Business is a culture all its own and by bringing a slave to the meeting with someone outside of the role-play environment demonstrates to me a lack of professional ethics.  One doesn&#8217;t generally put one&#8217;s fetishes and lack of regard for the dignity of fellow human beings on display if serious deals are being made.  Then again, maybe I&#8217;m just a bigot because I don&#8217;t care to see any human being degraded or treated like property, ever.  *Some* cultural values are definitely improvements over others.</p>
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