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	<title>Comments on: Shaun Altman To Liquidate Ginko &#8220;Perpetual&#8221; Bonds</title>
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		<title>By: Codeine.</title>
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		<title>By: Pix Knows Dix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pix Knows Dix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pix you need to research more, BNT in september traded over 3 million shares on SLCapex, so its hardly &quot;thinly traded&quot;, in fact BNT trades made up the bulk of SLCX revenues since Arb stole, I mean bought, the AVIX from Investor Allen. Its departure explains the decline of that exchange, just as the WSE went into a tailspin when BNT left that exchange in disgust over the corruption there (3-6million L$ a day in April, 200kL$ a day today).

It is now listed on the Ancapistan Capital Exchange in Venture Square, where its now free of corrupt manipulation by individuals inimical to the company. ACE will be holding elections for its board of directors from among its member investors, which will be overseen by the SL Exchange Commission.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pix you need to research more, BNT in september traded over 3 million shares on SLCapex, so its hardly &#8220;thinly traded&#8221;, in fact BNT trades made up the bulk of SLCX revenues since Arb stole, I mean bought, the AVIX from Investor Allen. Its departure explains the decline of that exchange, just as the WSE went into a tailspin when BNT left that exchange in disgust over the corruption there (3-6million L$ a day in April, 200kL$ a day today).</p>
<p>It is now listed on the Ancapistan Capital Exchange in Venture Square, where its now free of corrupt manipulation by individuals inimical to the company. ACE will be holding elections for its board of directors from among its member investors, which will be overseen by the SL Exchange Commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It probably doesn&#039;t mean much to most but I&#039;ve known Shaun for a long time and trust him.

I didn&#039;t invest anything in Ginko... I saw it as too good to be true right from the start.

Lewis
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It probably doesn&#8217;t mean much to most but I&#8217;ve known Shaun for a long time and trust him.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t invest anything in Ginko&#8230; I saw it as too good to be true right from the start.</p>
<p>Lewis</p>
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		<title>By: voom</title>
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		<dc:creator>voom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Shaun,

For your information,I own HCL and Ginko. Yes I also bought Ginko cheap and took the risk. Concerning HCL you probably know that it doesn&#039;t matter if a price goes up or down, in every market you can make money. I feel very comfortable with the price of HCL at the moment.

We can argue what a correction or a crash is? Secondlife is a micro economy at the moment. And every economy has his up&#039;s or down&#039;s.

I am only interested to see what will happen next. Who will execute this? I agree with you that this story needs to be ended (=liquidated). I wonder how you will liquidate a hugh number of shares for a reasonable price, that is why I came up with HCL. Selling is not a problem only to find good buyers.

With other words share us your plans.

Thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Shaun,</p>
<p>For your information,I own HCL and Ginko. Yes I also bought Ginko cheap and took the risk. Concerning HCL you probably know that it doesn&#8217;t matter if a price goes up or down, in every market you can make money. I feel very comfortable with the price of HCL at the moment.</p>
<p>We can argue what a correction or a crash is? Secondlife is a micro economy at the moment. And every economy has his up&#8217;s or down&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I am only interested to see what will happen next. Who will execute this? I agree with you that this story needs to be ended (=liquidated). I wonder how you will liquidate a hugh number of shares for a reasonable price, that is why I came up with HCL. Selling is not a problem only to find good buyers.</p>
<p>With other words share us your plans.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: DaveOner</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Uccello Poultry: Yes, that was stupid beyond measure. You lost more than US$180.00 into a single video game. You essentially bought the same Sonic the Hedgehog game 5 times without actually doing much running or jumping.

Nic should just never log into SL again and call it even (or get an alt haha). He taught you all a valuable lesson.

@Everyone that wants LL to get involved in this situation: You&#039;re morons. None of you can complain about the gambling ban or &quot;broadly offensive&quot; if you are calling for LL to get involved in this situation.

This is a prime example of &quot;TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS&quot;.

You gave an assload of money to a guy with hollow promises and not much else to offer. I saw it the first second I looked into Ginko way back when everyone swore by it.

Now you&#039;re all crying &quot;ponzi!&quot; and want Uncle Linden to wipe the dirt off you and pick you up after falling off the swings. Well it should be obvious to you kids that Uncle Linden likes to touch people and there&#039;s a reason he&#039;s not seen at the playground much these days! ;)

Keep LL out of SL and take responsibility for your own decisions like adults.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Uccello Poultry: Yes, that was stupid beyond measure. You lost more than US$180.00 into a single video game. You essentially bought the same Sonic the Hedgehog game 5 times without actually doing much running or jumping.</p>
<p>Nic should just never log into SL again and call it even (or get an alt haha). He taught you all a valuable lesson.</p>
<p>@Everyone that wants LL to get involved in this situation: You&#8217;re morons. None of you can complain about the gambling ban or &#8220;broadly offensive&#8221; if you are calling for LL to get involved in this situation.</p>
<p>This is a prime example of &#8220;TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS&#8221;.</p>
<p>You gave an assload of money to a guy with hollow promises and not much else to offer. I saw it the first second I looked into Ginko way back when everyone swore by it.</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re all crying &#8220;ponzi!&#8221; and want Uncle Linden to wipe the dirt off you and pick you up after falling off the swings. Well it should be obvious to you kids that Uncle Linden likes to touch people and there&#8217;s a reason he&#8217;s not seen at the playground much these days! <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keep LL out of SL and take responsibility for your own decisions like adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Roburt Musketeer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only a few thousand ginko junk bonds, so I don&#039;t have that big a stake in the ginko disaster.  I figured Ginko was a ponzi of one sort or another, but it was an entertaining one, and I only threw a few dollars into it. I watched GPB lose 80% of their value instantly, then spiral down to 7%.  I&#039;ve hung onto them just to see what would happen, and if Nick would make the first interest payment or not (Not, obviously).

Well, now Ginko is well and truly dead, and I suppose it&#039;s time to strip the corpse of valuables and chuck it in a deep, deep hole.  There&#039;s no &#039;legal&#039; system or &#039;courts&#039; in SL to go about doing this, so it&#039;s up to the bondholders to oerganize things and liquidate the assets (with the help of ethical asset holders and a little peer pressure)

Now, if Shaun wants to do that job for me, that&#039;s fine by me.  I don&#039;t know a thing about him, and all I can do is hope he&#039;s honest about it and doesn&#039;t skim anything off the top when he reports the assets he&#039;s aquired.  But the odds of him being honest are better than the odds of me getting much out of Ginko myself, so to hell with it.  And if Shaun makes some cash from having bought GPB off of investors at pennis on the dollar, then good for him.  He didn&#039;t hold a gun and FORCE people to sell him their bonds at low prices, did he?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only a few thousand ginko junk bonds, so I don&#8217;t have that big a stake in the ginko disaster.  I figured Ginko was a ponzi of one sort or another, but it was an entertaining one, and I only threw a few dollars into it. I watched GPB lose 80% of their value instantly, then spiral down to 7%.  I&#8217;ve hung onto them just to see what would happen, and if Nick would make the first interest payment or not (Not, obviously).</p>
<p>Well, now Ginko is well and truly dead, and I suppose it&#8217;s time to strip the corpse of valuables and chuck it in a deep, deep hole.  There&#8217;s no &#8216;legal&#8217; system or &#8216;courts&#8217; in SL to go about doing this, so it&#8217;s up to the bondholders to oerganize things and liquidate the assets (with the help of ethical asset holders and a little peer pressure)</p>
<p>Now, if Shaun wants to do that job for me, that&#8217;s fine by me.  I don&#8217;t know a thing about him, and all I can do is hope he&#8217;s honest about it and doesn&#8217;t skim anything off the top when he reports the assets he&#8217;s aquired.  But the odds of him being honest are better than the odds of me getting much out of Ginko myself, so to hell with it.  And if Shaun makes some cash from having bought GPB off of investors at pennis on the dollar, then good for him.  He didn&#8217;t hold a gun and FORCE people to sell him their bonds at low prices, did he?</p>
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		<title>By: Cristalle Karami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristalle Karami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, Obscure ... or Nick ... whatever.  But let&#039;s not forget that the forced conversion of bank deposits into perpetual bonds was theft, too.  RL methodology was designed to stop practices like that, too.  But it&#039;s very convenient to forget that point, isn&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, Obscure &#8230; or Nick &#8230; whatever.  But let&#8217;s not forget that the forced conversion of bank deposits into perpetual bonds was theft, too.  RL methodology was designed to stop practices like that, too.  But it&#8217;s very convenient to forget that point, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Nacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops... make that Shaun Altman, not Nicholas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops&#8230; make that Shaun Altman, not Nicholas.</p>
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		<title>By: Nacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have to admit one thing that SL Herald did a good job at....

Getting a picture of Nicholas Portocarrero with his stupid bling necklace on.

(Think maybe he was spending on something for himself? Har, surely did.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have to admit one thing that SL Herald did a good job at&#8230;.</p>
<p>Getting a picture of Nicholas Portocarrero with his stupid bling necklace on.</p>
<p>(Think maybe he was spending on something for himself? Har, surely did.)</p>
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		<title>By: Obscure Doodad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obscure Doodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not in any way involved in this fiasco, and I don&#039;t know if terminology is somehow different from RL -- but in general, and VERY IMPORTANTLY, the holders of &quot;bonds&quot; of a business have no wherewithal whatsoever to seize any property of a business.  If bonds are due to be paid interest from a business, and that business does not pay that interest, then a legal proceeding can initiate to declare the business in default.

At that point the court, NOT THE BOND HOLDERS, take possession of property and whether or not to liquidate that property for dispersal to lenders will be a decision worked out UNDER THE AUSPICES of a court.

Someone who happens to have made large loans to a business, which is what a &quot;large bondholder&quot; would be, is nothing more or less than a creditor.  He has zero authority to seize property.  In fact, doing so is theft.

Of course, SL may not reflect RL methodology, but it is useful to remember that RL methodology evolved over long periods of time to reduce and eliminate problems with random methodologies -- like large creditors seizing property they do not own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not in any way involved in this fiasco, and I don&#8217;t know if terminology is somehow different from RL &#8212; but in general, and VERY IMPORTANTLY, the holders of &#8220;bonds&#8221; of a business have no wherewithal whatsoever to seize any property of a business.  If bonds are due to be paid interest from a business, and that business does not pay that interest, then a legal proceeding can initiate to declare the business in default.</p>
<p>At that point the court, NOT THE BOND HOLDERS, take possession of property and whether or not to liquidate that property for dispersal to lenders will be a decision worked out UNDER THE AUSPICES of a court.</p>
<p>Someone who happens to have made large loans to a business, which is what a &#8220;large bondholder&#8221; would be, is nothing more or less than a creditor.  He has zero authority to seize property.  In fact, doing so is theft.</p>
<p>Of course, SL may not reflect RL methodology, but it is useful to remember that RL methodology evolved over long periods of time to reduce and eliminate problems with random methodologies &#8212; like large creditors seizing property they do not own.</p>
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