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		<title>By: WaffleLeader</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/ginko-financial.html/comment-page-1#comment-20369</link>
		<dc:creator>WaffleLeader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LULZ SL=SRS business right guys? Oh noes, someone took my e-money in an obvious scam TIME TO THREATEN LEGAL ACTION, ALSO CRUSE CONTROL FOR COOL!!1ONE11!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LULZ SL=SRS business right guys? Oh noes, someone took my e-money in an obvious scam TIME TO THREATEN LEGAL ACTION, ALSO CRUSE CONTROL FOR COOL!!1ONE11!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Ponzi</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/ginko-financial.html/comment-page-1#comment-20368</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Ponzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No real life law applies, because it isn&#039;t a registered company of real life nor a real stock exchange.&quot;

Goddamn right!  Those bastards who convicted me should have asked Prokofy &quot;Matlock&quot; Neva before they sent me to the big house.  I didn&#039;t register my company either, so no real life laws apply!  Hot damn!  Screw you all, and thanks for the money!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No real life law applies, because it isn&#8217;t a registered company of real life nor a real stock exchange.&#8221;</p>
<p>Goddamn right!  Those bastards who convicted me should have asked Prokofy &#8220;Matlock&#8221; Neva before they sent me to the big house.  I didn&#8217;t register my company either, so no real life laws apply!  Hot damn!  Screw you all, and thanks for the money!</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's messenger</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/ginko-financial.html/comment-page-1#comment-20367</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's messenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Devil, our Lord Lucifer, wishes to express His appreciation to one

PROKOFY NEVA

for excellent support in allowing Disciple Portocarrero to Steal from others in a most wonderful and devious manner. Upon your arrival in the Lord&#039;s Kingdom, you shall be afforded all the luxuries of a lower, 2nd class demon apprentice.

Congratulations and keep up the good work.

The Most High and Almighty,

Lucifer

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((And I like your blog, too, Prokofy Neva. Some of us can hardly wait for your arrival. See you then.))
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Devil, our Lord Lucifer, wishes to express His appreciation to one</p>
<p>PROKOFY NEVA</p>
<p>for excellent support in allowing Disciple Portocarrero to Steal from others in a most wonderful and devious manner. Upon your arrival in the Lord&#8217;s Kingdom, you shall be afforded all the luxuries of a lower, 2nd class demon apprentice.</p>
<p>Congratulations and keep up the good work.</p>
<p>The Most High and Almighty,</p>
<p>Lucifer</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>((And I like your blog, too, Prokofy Neva. Some of us can hardly wait for your arrival. See you then.))</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/ginko-financial.html/comment-page-1#comment-20366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prokofy,
There are no GPB&#039;s anymore.  So how you were able to cash them out for WIC&#039;s before the change in interest type may be slightly relevant. As of now the WTF mutual fund shares are sellable in either linden dollars or WIC&#039;s.  Its dependent on the buyer according to the WSE website.

I like how you went from &quot;No real life law applies, because it isn&#039;t a registered company of real life nor a real stock exchange. It&#039;s kind of like a glorified credit union, or a sort of complicated football pool among friends-turned-enemies&quot; to &quot;Real life law may have applicability; you&#039;d not be a very good judge of that&quot;.

UPDATE to the article,

LOT&#039;s Ootje Timtam did contact me to tell me that Portocarrero cashed out months ago.

Midas&#039; bankruptcy is a whole other thing on the WSE. For more at the moment, checkout out Nobody Fugazi at your2ndplace.com


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prokofy,<br />
There are no GPB&#8217;s anymore.  So how you were able to cash them out for WIC&#8217;s before the change in interest type may be slightly relevant. As of now the WTF mutual fund shares are sellable in either linden dollars or WIC&#8217;s.  Its dependent on the buyer according to the WSE website.</p>
<p>I like how you went from &#8220;No real life law applies, because it isn&#8217;t a registered company of real life nor a real stock exchange. It&#8217;s kind of like a glorified credit union, or a sort of complicated football pool among friends-turned-enemies&#8221; to &#8220;Real life law may have applicability; you&#8217;d not be a very good judge of that&#8221;.</p>
<p>UPDATE to the article,</p>
<p>LOT&#8217;s Ootje Timtam did contact me to tell me that Portocarrero cashed out months ago.</p>
<p>Midas&#8217; bankruptcy is a whole other thing on the WSE. For more at the moment, checkout out Nobody Fugazi at your2ndplace.com</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Prok pass the bar yet?

I love how a windbagging non-lawyer positions themself as an authority on law, while at the same time denigrating people who are actually being trained in law. The same asshole who defines things as &quot;crimes&quot; all the damned time.

Is the Kraft Dinner done yet? Your kids need to eat, please don&#039;t neglect them by making love to your keyboard all day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Prok pass the bar yet?</p>
<p>I love how a windbagging non-lawyer positions themself as an authority on law, while at the same time denigrating people who are actually being trained in law. The same asshole who defines things as &#8220;crimes&#8221; all the damned time.</p>
<p>Is the Kraft Dinner done yet? Your kids need to eat, please don&#8217;t neglect them by making love to your keyboard all day.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Jessica, don&#039;t be silly. It&#039;s sure as hell not extraneous if you can&#039;t cash out the GPB into Lindens, that cash out into dollars, but have another nonce currency inflicted on you, that requires another service charge to access, and which has a limit on it for conversion to Lindens! It makes the entire thing impossible to handle, except to get a few dollars.

Real life law may have applicability; you&#039;d not be a very good judge of that, as you are still busy showing off the lingo they taught you in Law School.

Did you pass the bar yet?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Jessica, don&#8217;t be silly. It&#8217;s sure as hell not extraneous if you can&#8217;t cash out the GPB into Lindens, that cash out into dollars, but have another nonce currency inflicted on you, that requires another service charge to access, and which has a limit on it for conversion to Lindens! It makes the entire thing impossible to handle, except to get a few dollars.</p>
<p>Real life law may have applicability; you&#8217;d not be a very good judge of that, as you are still busy showing off the lingo they taught you in Law School.</p>
<p>Did you pass the bar yet?</p>
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		<title>By: A source close to the Shadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>A source close to the Shadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, in part, with some of the previous comments.  Yes, the writing is a bit droll.  How can it not be?  Does anyone besides me read the business section?  The story is a pretty good summary of what has happened over the past few weeks in regards to Ginko, etc.

My two cents:
What did you expect to happen?  The so called Second Life banks provide no accountability and virtually no identification of the bank owners.  Sure, they put up a fan page for their avatar on Wikipedia, but what do you have to be afraid of by giving your real name?  I can find out the bank manager&#039;s name at the bank down the street pretty easy, just ask an employee.  But in SL, we have to play the anonmynity card -- I suspect that its to protect the real people from what would almost certainly be a slew of lawsuits.

What assets are your deposits invested in?  At this point, probably a mix of virtual land/stock and maybe some real world investments -- maybe a bank CD?  The point is that many banks play their cards close -- but why?  When I visit Vectra Bank in RL, they proudly display their portfolio in their brochure along with the performance over the past few years.  You don&#039;t get that in SL.

Finally -- People, avatars, whatever, when you deposit your hard earned Lindens in a bank, that money belongs to you.  You earned it.  You worked hard plunking away on that keyboard to earn it.  So why do you turn it over, willy-nilly, to whomever comes along and starts a SL group with the name &#039;bank&#039; in it somewhere?  Everyone out there needs to realize this -- you own your money.  Not the bank, not the Linden Lab, hell not even the government.  You own it.  Would you leave your kid with a babysitter without checking references?  Would you take your car to a back yard mechanic?  Then why would you store something just as important with a phantom avatar?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, in part, with some of the previous comments.  Yes, the writing is a bit droll.  How can it not be?  Does anyone besides me read the business section?  The story is a pretty good summary of what has happened over the past few weeks in regards to Ginko, etc.</p>
<p>My two cents:<br />
What did you expect to happen?  The so called Second Life banks provide no accountability and virtually no identification of the bank owners.  Sure, they put up a fan page for their avatar on Wikipedia, but what do you have to be afraid of by giving your real name?  I can find out the bank manager&#8217;s name at the bank down the street pretty easy, just ask an employee.  But in SL, we have to play the anonmynity card &#8212; I suspect that its to protect the real people from what would almost certainly be a slew of lawsuits.</p>
<p>What assets are your deposits invested in?  At this point, probably a mix of virtual land/stock and maybe some real world investments &#8212; maybe a bank CD?  The point is that many banks play their cards close &#8212; but why?  When I visit Vectra Bank in RL, they proudly display their portfolio in their brochure along with the performance over the past few years.  You don&#8217;t get that in SL.</p>
<p>Finally &#8212; People, avatars, whatever, when you deposit your hard earned Lindens in a bank, that money belongs to you.  You earned it.  You worked hard plunking away on that keyboard to earn it.  So why do you turn it over, willy-nilly, to whomever comes along and starts a SL group with the name &#8216;bank&#8217; in it somewhere?  Everyone out there needs to realize this &#8212; you own your money.  Not the bank, not the Linden Lab, hell not even the government.  You own it.  Would you leave your kid with a babysitter without checking references?  Would you take your car to a back yard mechanic?  Then why would you store something just as important with a phantom avatar?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Prokofy...Objection...Relevance.  The comment that you made, outside of identifying the parties, does not really count as a complaint about the article, but is rather an attempt to confuse the issue and direct people to your newspaper. The fictional WIC isn&#039;t at issue here. (By the way, that&#039;s how you make an objection.)

Its nice that you wrote about this issue as well.  But there&#039;s a lot going on in this situation, with many different parties.  Not all blogs and articles talked to both sides and tried to dig deep into what was going on.  And no where in this article is the law invoked, other then detailing how something like this is handled outside of Second Life, inside the real courts that you are so fond of Prokofy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Prokofy&#8230;Objection&#8230;Relevance.  The comment that you made, outside of identifying the parties, does not really count as a complaint about the article, but is rather an attempt to confuse the issue and direct people to your newspaper. The fictional WIC isn&#8217;t at issue here. (By the way, that&#8217;s how you make an objection.)</p>
<p>Its nice that you wrote about this issue as well.  But there&#8217;s a lot going on in this situation, with many different parties.  Not all blogs and articles talked to both sides and tried to dig deep into what was going on.  And no where in this article is the law invoked, other then detailing how something like this is handled outside of Second Life, inside the real courts that you are so fond of Prokofy.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokafy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokafy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you stupid people didn&#039;t get that, please please please read the rambling crap I posted at http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html .

Once again, that&#039;s http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html . Because I explain it all here at http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html .

Don&#039;t forget, that&#039;s http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html , my new and lonely webpage I had to set up bc I can&#039;t keep a regular writing job. You know that those bastards at Metaversed screwed me over, right? Fucktards. But I fight back hard. Hard I say. So stop visiting Metaversed or Terra Nova or Clickable Culture or New World Notes or Busybody Fugazi&#039;s blawg or this stupid Herald rag which is no longer even relevant to those of us that run businesses and have lives inside SL and instead stop by http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html and read what I have to say because I&#039;m important and infamous and I show you the greater meaning behind it all.

(I&#039;m also available for podcasts so be sure to read my thoughts at http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html and then we can talk. Because I&#039;m important and you want me. Say you want me. Say it. SAY IT!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you stupid people didn&#8217;t get that, please please please read the rambling crap I posted at <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> .</p>
<p>Once again, that&#8217;s <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> . Because I explain it all here at <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> .</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, that&#8217;s <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> , my new and lonely webpage I had to set up bc I can&#8217;t keep a regular writing job. You know that those bastards at Metaversed screwed me over, right? Fucktards. But I fight back hard. Hard I say. So stop visiting Metaversed or Terra Nova or Clickable Culture or New World Notes or Busybody Fugazi&#8217;s blawg or this stupid Herald rag which is no longer even relevant to those of us that run businesses and have lives inside SL and instead stop by <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> and read what I have to say because I&#8217;m important and infamous and I show you the greater meaning behind it all.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m also available for podcasts so be sure to read my thoughts at <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html" rel="nofollow">http://slrecord.typepad.com/the_second_life_record/2007/10/ginko-is-gonezo.html</a> and then we can talk. Because I&#8217;m important and you want me. Say you want me. Say it. SAY IT!)</p>
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		<title>By: janeforyou Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>janeforyou Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bla Bla Bla....50 mill L ?? not more then 140K USD--- its not &quot; Banking&quot;  its just some geek playing bank and ripping  off member for there Linden dollars.
No safty  No secure invesment. If it was 5% annual intress  and a deparmet  in a RL bank
It be more serius. I cant understand how anyone can belive and trust a  VR  &quot;bank&quot; offering 104% annual intress,  its just not possible to run a business based on that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bla Bla Bla&#8230;.50 mill L ?? not more then 140K USD&#8212; its not &#8221; Banking&#8221;  its just some geek playing bank and ripping  off member for there Linden dollars.<br />
No safty  No secure invesment. If it was 5% annual intress  and a deparmet  in a RL bank<br />
It be more serius. I cant understand how anyone can belive and trust a  VR  &#8220;bank&#8221; offering 104% annual intress,  its just not possible to run a business based on that.</p>
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