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	<title>Comments on: Shaun Altman: Liquidating Ginko&#8217;s Recovered Assets Will be VERY Slow</title>
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		<title>By: Obscure Doodad</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20165</link>
		<dc:creator>Obscure Doodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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Obscure, if you&#039;d paid attention, you&#039;d note that BNT is acting as an agent to liquidate the land in the sim. Ginko owned the land, not the estate. Lurk moar, Doodad...
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Well, Shaun, I hope it all works out for your efforts to return money to those scammed, but I think you will find that when you sell your RL house/property, your real estate agent --  you know, the person who is trying to liquidate/sell it for you -- does not take ownership of it as part of that sales process.  BNT is shown as owner of that land.  Not you.

That sim is listed as an asset recovered, but it is not in your name.  So . . . if you&#039;re an alt of BNT or vice versa, maybe you can make a case for having &quot;recovered&quot; it.  Otherwise, someone other than you owns it.

And also, btw, if this &quot;agent&quot; relationship exists, and you are an alt of BNT or vice versa . . . this agent relationship for &quot;liquidation&quot; -- involves how much sales commission percentage?  10%?  Suppose you sell it to another alt and &quot;collect&quot; that 10% and do this 10 times.  The &quot;value&quot; left to report to Ginko shareholders for dispersal to them is then what?  Right.  Zero.

Don&#039;t run whatever scams you&#039;re running, man.  It&#039;s real money.  You have to look in the mirror the rest of your life.  It&#039;s not worth it.  People did stupid things.  Why not make provide them a pleasant surprise, rather than try to take more from them.


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Obscure, if you&#8217;d paid attention, you&#8217;d note that BNT is acting as an agent to liquidate the land in the sim. Ginko owned the land, not the estate. Lurk moar, Doodad&#8230;<br />
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<p>Well, Shaun, I hope it all works out for your efforts to return money to those scammed, but I think you will find that when you sell your RL house/property, your real estate agent &#8212;  you know, the person who is trying to liquidate/sell it for you &#8212; does not take ownership of it as part of that sales process.  BNT is shown as owner of that land.  Not you.</p>
<p>That sim is listed as an asset recovered, but it is not in your name.  So . . . if you&#8217;re an alt of BNT or vice versa, maybe you can make a case for having &#8220;recovered&#8221; it.  Otherwise, someone other than you owns it.</p>
<p>And also, btw, if this &#8220;agent&#8221; relationship exists, and you are an alt of BNT or vice versa . . . this agent relationship for &#8220;liquidation&#8221; &#8212; involves how much sales commission percentage?  10%?  Suppose you sell it to another alt and &#8220;collect&#8221; that 10% and do this 10 times.  The &#8220;value&#8221; left to report to Ginko shareholders for dispersal to them is then what?  Right.  Zero.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t run whatever scams you&#8217;re running, man.  It&#8217;s real money.  You have to look in the mirror the rest of your life.  It&#8217;s not worth it.  People did stupid things.  Why not make provide them a pleasant surprise, rather than try to take more from them.</p>
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		<title>By: a ginko victim</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20164</link>
		<dc:creator>a ginko victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assumed responsibility or whatever you wanna call it...

He now has all the valuables that Mr. Ginko used to have, that is not either of theirs, and belongs to everyone who put even a single Linden into those machines.

I don&#039;t care who does it, but that money belongs to the people like you and me, who put money in there. It needs to go back to where it belongs.

In this case. Mr. Altman has it. It&#039;s ours. It&#039;s his responsibility now to get it where it belongs.

If he didnt want the problem of making that happen, he shouldnt have taken over that problem over from Mr. Ginko.

And letting Mr. Ginko&#039;s RL posessions being sold off to pay for the mess, is always still an option.

In buisness, if you don&#039;t wanna get burned, don&#039;t take risks. I learned a lesson in any case: if you don&#039;t know em RL, people on SL cannot be trusted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assumed responsibility or whatever you wanna call it&#8230;</p>
<p>He now has all the valuables that Mr. Ginko used to have, that is not either of theirs, and belongs to everyone who put even a single Linden into those machines.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care who does it, but that money belongs to the people like you and me, who put money in there. It needs to go back to where it belongs.</p>
<p>In this case. Mr. Altman has it. It&#8217;s ours. It&#8217;s his responsibility now to get it where it belongs.</p>
<p>If he didnt want the problem of making that happen, he shouldnt have taken over that problem over from Mr. Ginko.</p>
<p>And letting Mr. Ginko&#8217;s RL posessions being sold off to pay for the mess, is always still an option.</p>
<p>In buisness, if you don&#8217;t wanna get burned, don&#8217;t take risks. I learned a lesson in any case: if you don&#8217;t know em RL, people on SL cannot be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasah Tigereye</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20163</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasah Tigereye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A ginko &#039; victim&#039;&quot; seems to assume that Mr. Altman has actually assumed responsibility for what happened with Ginko. He hasn&#039;t, and is simply doing this as a free service. If it takes him a long time, it&#039;s at least better than the alternative, which is nothing.
FYI, I had over $750 in Ginko.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A ginko &#8216; victim&#8217;&#8221; seems to assume that Mr. Altman has actually assumed responsibility for what happened with Ginko. He hasn&#8217;t, and is simply doing this as a free service. If it takes him a long time, it&#8217;s at least better than the alternative, which is nothing.<br />
FYI, I had over $750 in Ginko.</p>
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		<title>By: Obscurely Illiterate</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20162</link>
		<dc:creator>Obscurely Illiterate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obscure, if you&#039;d paid attention, you&#039;d note that BNT is acting as an agent to liquidate the land in the sim. Ginko owned the land, not the estate. Lurk moar, Doodad...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obscure, if you&#8217;d paid attention, you&#8217;d note that BNT is acting as an agent to liquidate the land in the sim. Ginko owned the land, not the estate. Lurk moar, Doodad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A ginko ' victim'</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20161</link>
		<dc:creator>A ginko ' victim'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very slow process?

Not our problem, is it?

Mr. Altman personally assumed responsibility for paying back Mr. Ginko&#039;s customers, so I will be expecting the still outstanding L$ back on my account soon.

How long Mr. Altman will have to wait to retrieve the money he&#039;s going to pay to the Ginko customers, is his problem, not ours.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very slow process?</p>
<p>Not our problem, is it?</p>
<p>Mr. Altman personally assumed responsibility for paying back Mr. Ginko&#8217;s customers, so I will be expecting the still outstanding L$ back on my account soon.</p>
<p>How long Mr. Altman will have to wait to retrieve the money he&#8217;s going to pay to the Ginko customers, is his problem, not ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Obscure Doodad</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20160</link>
		<dc:creator>Obscure Doodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird, out of curiosity I popped over to Van Mises sim.  Shaun Altman is not the owner.  Brautigan and Tuck Group is the owner.  Yet Altman says he has &quot;recovered&quot; that &quot;asset&quot;.

I smell scam.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird, out of curiosity I popped over to Van Mises sim.  Shaun Altman is not the owner.  Brautigan and Tuck Group is the owner.  Yet Altman says he has &#8220;recovered&#8221; that &#8220;asset&#8221;.</p>
<p>I smell scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Uccello Poultry</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/shaun-altman-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-20159</link>
		<dc:creator>Uccello Poultry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:::looks hard for Very, Very Slow on her calendar and wonders how much of her nearly $250USD she&#039;ll recover:::

How about some investigative reporting, not just rehashing press releases? Dig deep into other &#039;banks&#039; and maybe the WSE. It all seems to me like a huge &#039;boys club&#039; where the ordinary individual is a pawn in someone else&#039;s World of Finance Role Play.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:::looks hard for Very, Very Slow on her calendar and wonders how much of her nearly $250USD she&#8217;ll recover:::</p>
<p>How about some investigative reporting, not just rehashing press releases? Dig deep into other &#8216;banks&#8217; and maybe the WSE. It all seems to me like a huge &#8216;boys club&#8217; where the ordinary individual is a pawn in someone else&#8217;s World of Finance Role Play.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how something that someone just decides is &quot;stock&quot; suddenly becomes &quot;stock&quot;.

Guess what?  It&#039;s not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how something that someone just decides is &#8220;stock&#8221; suddenly becomes &#8220;stock&#8221;.</p>
<p>Guess what?  It&#8217;s not.</p>
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