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	<title>Comments on: Assessing Coke&#8217;s Virtual Thirst Project: Win, Fail, or Just Another SL Dud?</title>
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		<title>By: plot tracer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19671</link>
		<dc:creator>plot tracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you have censored your pc from picking up any criticism of your portfolio Prok, here is a simple wee search for you.  Perhaps my search engines are switched to &quot;stalinist&quot; and that&#039;s why they pick up stuff that is critical of the present profit before people system.  Or perhaps, to quote &quot;The White Rose&quot;, I don&#039;t wish &quot;to be silent.  We are your bad conscience.  (we) will not leave you in peace.&quot;
Remember- Coke sponsored the Hitler Youth.  Wholesome.
http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?mrestrict=xhtml&amp;q=mark+thomas+coke&amp;btnG=Search&amp;site=search
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you have censored your pc from picking up any criticism of your portfolio Prok, here is a simple wee search for you.  Perhaps my search engines are switched to &#8220;stalinist&#8221; and that&#8217;s why they pick up stuff that is critical of the present profit before people system.  Or perhaps, to quote &#8220;The White Rose&#8221;, I don&#8217;t wish &#8220;to be silent.  We are your bad conscience.  (we) will not leave you in peace.&#8221;<br />
Remember- Coke sponsored the Hitler Youth.  Wholesome.<br />
<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?mrestrict=xhtml&#038;q=mark+thomas+coke&#038;btnG=Search&#038;site=search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?mrestrict=xhtml&#038;q=mark+thomas+coke&#038;btnG=Search&#038;site=search</a></p>
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		<title>By: plot tracer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19670</link>
		<dc:creator>plot tracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prok- you stupid tosh I suppose, belongs to Second Life, because you are definitely living a life outside the ken of reality.

Last year I met with Trade Unionists from a Coke plant in Colombia.  I also met the wife of a murdered Union representative.  Their experiences have been absolutely diabolical.  Coke say that the Coke bottling plants have nothing to do with them, yet Coke US own 30 percent of stock- and I can assure you - the security around their colombian bottlers means that no-one gets into the plant without their knowledge - including the right wing terrorists who go in and murder those who ask for the kind of rights US workers have.

Propaganda?  Ffs, Prok, grow up.  But of course Coke does not use child labour and has nothing to do with murder- even though British journalist, Mark Thomas PROVED these allegations on Brit tv last week.  But before you say it, of course, we in the Soviet of Britland would be biased, wouldn&#039;t we?

Oh- and if people _ARE_ interested, Nestle have been cited by the UN and UNICEF again to be using questionable practices in the two thirds world.

But I guess Prok has shares in these companies and her fat arse needs feeding, so fuck the poor.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prok- you stupid tosh I suppose, belongs to Second Life, because you are definitely living a life outside the ken of reality.</p>
<p>Last year I met with Trade Unionists from a Coke plant in Colombia.  I also met the wife of a murdered Union representative.  Their experiences have been absolutely diabolical.  Coke say that the Coke bottling plants have nothing to do with them, yet Coke US own 30 percent of stock- and I can assure you &#8211; the security around their colombian bottlers means that no-one gets into the plant without their knowledge &#8211; including the right wing terrorists who go in and murder those who ask for the kind of rights US workers have.</p>
<p>Propaganda?  Ffs, Prok, grow up.  But of course Coke does not use child labour and has nothing to do with murder- even though British journalist, Mark Thomas PROVED these allegations on Brit tv last week.  But before you say it, of course, we in the Soviet of Britland would be biased, wouldn&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>Oh- and if people _ARE_ interested, Nestle have been cited by the UN and UNICEF again to be using questionable practices in the two thirds world.</p>
<p>But I guess Prok has shares in these companies and her fat arse needs feeding, so fuck the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19669</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plot Tracer is wheeling out his rabid, hysterical left-wing propaganda again.

It&#039;s good to read even the Nation, or Amnesty International, or the Columbia University newspaper, or any number of other more credible sources than this fake campaign.

The campaign revolves around the killing of a trade union activist in Colombia, where 4,000 trade union activists have been killed -- just to put the story in a context where the government, not Coke is the killer of train union activists, by supporting right-wing paramilitaries. It&#039;s a legitimate case, and quite legitimately the subject of an alien torts lawsuit in Florida to which American groups and labor unions have joined. Does this mean Coca Cola is responsible for the murder of trade union activists? No. As the other sources frame the story more accurately: it&#039;s a stretch to go from saying Coke benefits from docile workforces to saying they (or rather, the bottling companies with which they are affiliated) actually orchestrate murders.

Like the rabid Nestle&#039;s campaign, this kind of rabid propaganda isn&#039;t really about concern for labour rights -- the kind of rights that Soviet-style regimes which the communists remain uncritical of are famous themselves for suppressing. It&#039;s about trying to give capitalism a black eye by tendentiously picking out big targets to which they can try to tie the crimes of other actors, merely because those big targets are more accessible to them than a murderous Latin American force that, were they to target it directly, would target *them*. I think it&#039;s a pretty unethical thing to do. Coke doesn&#039;t drain villages of water or exploit children or collude with right-wing terrorist groups as some kind of blanket practice; it doesn&#039;t even demonstrably do this even in one case, which is still at trial.

When the hard left stops playing this kind of infantile game and stops using such facile propaganda, trying to sell it to gullible students, they might have more followers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plot Tracer is wheeling out his rabid, hysterical left-wing propaganda again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to read even the Nation, or Amnesty International, or the Columbia University newspaper, or any number of other more credible sources than this fake campaign.</p>
<p>The campaign revolves around the killing of a trade union activist in Colombia, where 4,000 trade union activists have been killed &#8212; just to put the story in a context where the government, not Coke is the killer of train union activists, by supporting right-wing paramilitaries. It&#8217;s a legitimate case, and quite legitimately the subject of an alien torts lawsuit in Florida to which American groups and labor unions have joined. Does this mean Coca Cola is responsible for the murder of trade union activists? No. As the other sources frame the story more accurately: it&#8217;s a stretch to go from saying Coke benefits from docile workforces to saying they (or rather, the bottling companies with which they are affiliated) actually orchestrate murders.</p>
<p>Like the rabid Nestle&#8217;s campaign, this kind of rabid propaganda isn&#8217;t really about concern for labour rights &#8212; the kind of rights that Soviet-style regimes which the communists remain uncritical of are famous themselves for suppressing. It&#8217;s about trying to give capitalism a black eye by tendentiously picking out big targets to which they can try to tie the crimes of other actors, merely because those big targets are more accessible to them than a murderous Latin American force that, were they to target it directly, would target *them*. I think it&#8217;s a pretty unethical thing to do. Coke doesn&#8217;t drain villages of water or exploit children or collude with right-wing terrorist groups as some kind of blanket practice; it doesn&#8217;t even demonstrably do this even in one case, which is still at trial.</p>
<p>When the hard left stops playing this kind of infantile game and stops using such facile propaganda, trying to sell it to gullible students, they might have more followers.</p>
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		<title>By: plot tracer</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19668</link>
		<dc:creator>plot tracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coke- ffs people, another company on sl treated like messiahs.  This is a company that has subsiduaries that have drained villages of water, use children as labour and facilitated rightfwing terrorist groups in th killing of union members.  I hope the next &quot;event&quot; is advertised wider because I will be there telling people about how the endorsement of this product is killing fathers, mothers and children.

http://killercoke.org/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coke- ffs people, another company on sl treated like messiahs.  This is a company that has subsiduaries that have drained villages of water, use children as labour and facilitated rightfwing terrorist groups in th killing of union members.  I hope the next &#8220;event&#8221; is advertised wider because I will be there telling people about how the endorsement of this product is killing fathers, mothers and children.</p>
<p><a href="http://killercoke.org/" rel="nofollow">http://killercoke.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: urizenus</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19667</link>
		<dc:creator>urizenus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC and Joseph, I was sorry I didn&#039;t make the event.  If Cardie was there I am doubley sorry.

Prok opines thus: &quot;In fact, donning my tinfoil hat, I was convinced it was all a plot from the very get-go, that the Crayonistas plotted and planned ingeniously, and paid Uri to insult them as &quot;fucktards&quot;&quot;

Well Prok, as you know it takes a lot to keep the Herald yacht in the water.  I&#039;m not above dropping a few F-bombs to make that happen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC and Joseph, I was sorry I didn&#8217;t make the event.  If Cardie was there I am doubley sorry.</p>
<p>Prok opines thus: &#8220;In fact, donning my tinfoil hat, I was convinced it was all a plot from the very get-go, that the Crayonistas plotted and planned ingeniously, and paid Uri to insult them as &#8220;fucktards&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well Prok, as you know it takes a lot to keep the Herald yacht in the water.  I&#8217;m not above dropping a few F-bombs to make that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: winner</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19666</link>
		<dc:creator>winner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this blog is a dud.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this blog is a dud.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Lukas</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/11/was-cokes-virtu.html/comment-page-1#comment-19665</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry what?

I fell asleep it was that exciting......
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry what?</p>
<p>I fell asleep it was that exciting&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davidcaulson</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to comment here, Virtual Thirst is a total joke. If as they&#039;ve stated, its all about getting it out by using channels like YouTube etc. Well this campaign has failed, there is another Second Life project listed, one thats attracted 10x larger audience?!

Anyone know who did the Happiness Factor Second Life film, I know its not Crayon (aggresive geeks who are a total let down at conferences) or MoU (you know we all used to run Linden Lab?)

Do your own search on Youtube, see for yourself (use the keywords: second life coke)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19LNTu0TIt0

20,000 views... vs 2,000 of Virtual Thirst?!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to comment here, Virtual Thirst is a total joke. If as they&#8217;ve stated, its all about getting it out by using channels like YouTube etc. Well this campaign has failed, there is another Second Life project listed, one thats attracted 10x larger audience?!</p>
<p>Anyone know who did the Happiness Factor Second Life film, I know its not Crayon (aggresive geeks who are a total let down at conferences) or MoU (you know we all used to run Linden Lab?)</p>
<p>Do your own search on Youtube, see for yourself (use the keywords: second life coke)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19LNTu0TIt0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19LNTu0TIt0</a></p>
<p>20,000 views&#8230; vs 2,000 of Virtual Thirst?!</p>
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		<title>By: Annomouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annomouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought coke folded up and left LOL
LONG way from a win lol
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought coke folded up and left LOL<br />
LONG way from a win lol</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was a win all the way around, for Uri, for the Crayonistas, for Coke, for Second Life. This is how we roll in the insult culture, folks.

In fact, donning my tinfoil hat, I was convinced it was all a plot from the very get-go, that the Crayonistas plotted and planned ingeniously, and paid Uri to insult them as &quot;fucktards&quot; -- knowing that with the anti-corporate culture among a minority of influential geeky FICs in Second Life, and the general culture of insolence on the Internet these days, they&#039;d get static no matter what they did.

So they created a unique, ultra-modern ad-campaign which was like an anti-ad campaign, in order to a) get *some* ink (even a bad review is a good review) b) fuse and control the lightning, make Uri/the Herald be a lightning rod.

Brilliant, eh? Hey, I bet they really did this. Right? Right, Uri?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was a win all the way around, for Uri, for the Crayonistas, for Coke, for Second Life. This is how we roll in the insult culture, folks.</p>
<p>In fact, donning my tinfoil hat, I was convinced it was all a plot from the very get-go, that the Crayonistas plotted and planned ingeniously, and paid Uri to insult them as &#8220;fucktards&#8221; &#8212; knowing that with the anti-corporate culture among a minority of influential geeky FICs in Second Life, and the general culture of insolence on the Internet these days, they&#8217;d get static no matter what they did.</p>
<p>So they created a unique, ultra-modern ad-campaign which was like an anti-ad campaign, in order to a) get *some* ink (even a bad review is a good review) b) fuse and control the lightning, make Uri/the Herald be a lightning rod.</p>
<p>Brilliant, eh? Hey, I bet they really did this. Right? Right, Uri?</p>
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