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	<title>Comments on: Financial Update &#8211; Ginko Not Dead Yet</title>
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	<description>Always Fairly Unbalanced</description>
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		<title>By: Archie Lukas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archie Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this a simple case of outright fraud then?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this a simple case of outright fraud then?</p>
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		<title>By: Kahni Poitier</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2007/12/financial-updat.html/comment-page-1#comment-18458</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahni Poitier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it, Angel.  Because there&#039;s a zero percent chance of getting your money back.

It&#039;s not gambling, it&#039;s a guarantee.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it, Angel.  Because there&#8217;s a zero percent chance of getting your money back.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not gambling, it&#8217;s a guarantee.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you can AR these remaining ATM&#039;s as gambling devices and have the Linden Game Gods swoop in mercilessly to remove them like they do &#039;sploders?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you can AR these remaining ATM&#8217;s as gambling devices and have the Linden Game Gods swoop in mercilessly to remove them like they do &#8216;sploders?</p>
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		<title>By: economic mip</title>
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		<dc:creator>economic mip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my own observations, you touch the ATM, it gives you a no longer a banking entity message. You pay the ATM, your money still goes to the holding account. Yes this is a problem, but anyone who does business with a Second Life bank should know there is no imaginable way to get a decent return.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my own observations, you touch the ATM, it gives you a no longer a banking entity message. You pay the ATM, your money still goes to the holding account. Yes this is a problem, but anyone who does business with a Second Life bank should know there is no imaginable way to get a decent return.</p>
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		<title>By: Allana Dion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allana Dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;I would urge anybody who feels they have been significantly defrauded in Second Life to get a real lawyer, not an Internet lawyer dispensing advice on the Herald&quot;

To be fair Prokofy, writing a blog post telling a story or simply relaying info you&#039;ve heard is not &quot;dispensing advice&quot; (regardless of whether you agree with the subject matter).  When Jessica or anyone else writes a blog post, it&#039;s done simply as a blogger unless stated otherwise.  Her byline says &quot;Jessica Holyoke&quot; not &quot;Jessica Holyoke, Law Student&quot;.

What she writes here has nothing to do with her RL career any more than what you or I write on our blogs have to do with our RL careers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>&#8221;I would urge anybody who feels they have been significantly defrauded in Second Life to get a real lawyer, not an Internet lawyer dispensing advice on the Herald&#8221;</p>
<p>To be fair Prokofy, writing a blog post telling a story or simply relaying info you&#8217;ve heard is not &#8220;dispensing advice&#8221; (regardless of whether you agree with the subject matter).  When Jessica or anyone else writes a blog post, it&#8217;s done simply as a blogger unless stated otherwise.  Her byline says &#8220;Jessica Holyoke&#8221; not &#8220;Jessica Holyoke, Law Student&#8221;.</p>
<p>What she writes here has nothing to do with her RL career any more than what you or I write on our blogs have to do with our RL careers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiro,

Sorry you feel that I&#039;m attacking Shaun.

1.  Shaun did take it upon himself to find all the Ginko assets that were left over when Portocarrero left.  In his blog post of November 8, 2007, found here:  http://www.shaunaltman.com/articles/2007/11/11/ginko-liquidation-update, he stated the assets he was able to find of Ginko&#039;s.  Missing among that list is the GF Ambassador account.

2.  I believe we&#039;re assuming GF Ambassador is empty.  Its obviously not empty now.  If it contains assets, those should be seized and distributed too.  Who holds the account?  Does Ginko Tech have access to the account due to their coding of the ATM&#039;s?  Does the WSE have access to the GF Ambassador account

3.  Most prims do not look like ATM&#039;s and say &quot;Pay to start a Ginko bank account.&quot;  Is it so hard to change that script to say that Ginko is no more?

4.  How is Shaun doing with the liquidation?  Nothing has been posted for 37 days on his blog.  I can understand waiting until Q1 08 to report progress, but for someone who took on a trustee role, his name needs to be remembered.

My apologies if it came out like I was attacking Shaun Altman or if it came out that Shaun Altman had anything to do with the Ginko ATM still advertising Ginko Financial services.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiro,</p>
<p>Sorry you feel that I&#8217;m attacking Shaun.</p>
<p>1.  Shaun did take it upon himself to find all the Ginko assets that were left over when Portocarrero left.  In his blog post of November 8, 2007, found here:  <a href="http://www.shaunaltman.com/articles/2007/11/11/ginko-liquidation-update" rel="nofollow">http://www.shaunaltman.com/articles/2007/11/11/ginko-liquidation-update</a>, he stated the assets he was able to find of Ginko&#8217;s.  Missing among that list is the GF Ambassador account.</p>
<p>2.  I believe we&#8217;re assuming GF Ambassador is empty.  Its obviously not empty now.  If it contains assets, those should be seized and distributed too.  Who holds the account?  Does Ginko Tech have access to the account due to their coding of the ATM&#8217;s?  Does the WSE have access to the GF Ambassador account</p>
<p>3.  Most prims do not look like ATM&#8217;s and say &#8220;Pay to start a Ginko bank account.&#8221;  Is it so hard to change that script to say that Ginko is no more?</p>
<p>4.  How is Shaun doing with the liquidation?  Nothing has been posted for 37 days on his blog.  I can understand waiting until Q1 08 to report progress, but for someone who took on a trustee role, his name needs to be remembered.</p>
<p>My apologies if it came out like I was attacking Shaun Altman or if it came out that Shaun Altman had anything to do with the Ginko ATM still advertising Ginko Financial services.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Jim Clyburn&#039;s office isn&#039;t answering because Intlibber invoked the House Republican Whip:
http://www.blunt.house.gov/About.aspx?Section=5

&quot; [12:09]  IntLibber Brautigan: the US House of Representatives Republican Majority Whip wants a report from us about juice trading to forward to the FBI&quot;

And this -- if true in the slightest -- is probably one of those things where Intlibber, apparently the former chair of the Libertarian Party in his state, called this Whip&#039;s office and got told, &quot;Um, well, sure, send us something, we&#039;ll take a look.&quot;

I emailed Roy Blunt&#039;s office and didn&#039;t get an answer either.
In fact, it all sounds bogus. Perhaps Intlibber could tell us whether in fact he meant Blunt or Clyburn, and whether he has any more response, as it all sounds fake.

Whatever Arbitrage&#039;s story, it seems clear that Intlibber is engaging in blackmail here. I don&#039;t see that anything he unearthed about Arbitrage&#039;s web business is relevant to U.S. law as it is not located in the U.S. and the US doesn&#039;t have jurisdiction overseas. In fact, the idea that you call up a political crony to start a probe about gambling seems pretty bogus, too; isn&#039;t this the FBI&#039;s job?

I don&#039;t see how on earth we should accept this third-party story about somebody with groups on their avatar as evidence that &quot;Ginko terminals were not disabled&quot;.

I have to wonder how any terminal called &quot;Ginko&quot; could still function, as I recall distinctly towards the end that if you tried to deposit money into any terminal, it would give you error messages. This was tried repeatedly on a variety of terminals, including their central one.

If the GF Ambassador account is still active, it&#039;s likely because LL could not find any violation of the TOS, and LL doesn&#039;t get involved in resident-to-resident transaction disputes.

I would urge anybody who feels they have been significantly defrauded in Second Life to get a real lawyer, not an Internet lawyer dispensing advice on the Herald, and deal with real-world authorities, not residents and Lindens.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Jim Clyburn&#8217;s office isn&#8217;t answering because Intlibber invoked the House Republican Whip:<br />
<a href="http://www.blunt.house.gov/About.aspx?Section=5" rel="nofollow">http://www.blunt.house.gov/About.aspx?Section=5</a></p>
<p>&#8221; [12:09]  IntLibber Brautigan: the US House of Representatives Republican Majority Whip wants a report from us about juice trading to forward to the FBI&#8221;</p>
<p>And this &#8212; if true in the slightest &#8212; is probably one of those things where Intlibber, apparently the former chair of the Libertarian Party in his state, called this Whip&#8217;s office and got told, &#8220;Um, well, sure, send us something, we&#8217;ll take a look.&#8221;</p>
<p>I emailed Roy Blunt&#8217;s office and didn&#8217;t get an answer either.<br />
In fact, it all sounds bogus. Perhaps Intlibber could tell us whether in fact he meant Blunt or Clyburn, and whether he has any more response, as it all sounds fake.</p>
<p>Whatever Arbitrage&#8217;s story, it seems clear that Intlibber is engaging in blackmail here. I don&#8217;t see that anything he unearthed about Arbitrage&#8217;s web business is relevant to U.S. law as it is not located in the U.S. and the US doesn&#8217;t have jurisdiction overseas. In fact, the idea that you call up a political crony to start a probe about gambling seems pretty bogus, too; isn&#8217;t this the FBI&#8217;s job?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how on earth we should accept this third-party story about somebody with groups on their avatar as evidence that &#8220;Ginko terminals were not disabled&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have to wonder how any terminal called &#8220;Ginko&#8221; could still function, as I recall distinctly towards the end that if you tried to deposit money into any terminal, it would give you error messages. This was tried repeatedly on a variety of terminals, including their central one.</p>
<p>If the GF Ambassador account is still active, it&#8217;s likely because LL could not find any violation of the TOS, and LL doesn&#8217;t get involved in resident-to-resident transaction disputes.</p>
<p>I would urge anybody who feels they have been significantly defrauded in Second Life to get a real lawyer, not an Internet lawyer dispensing advice on the Herald, and deal with real-world authorities, not residents and Lindens.</p>
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		<title>By: Lao-Tzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lao-Tzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Jessica. Sounds like these remaining ATMs are a scam for sure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Jessica. Sounds like these remaining ATMs are a scam for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiro Pendragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiro Pendragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Shaun Altman own the ATMs? No.
Does he know where every one is? I doubt it.
Can you pay any object in SL, regardless of whether it&#039;s a &quot;ATM&quot; or a plain 0.5m^3 plywood cube? YES.

Is this trying to imply Shaun is doing something wrong by spinning facts to make it seem like &quot;behaving in a way which EVERY SINGLE PRIM IN SECOND LIFE BEHAVES&quot; is &quot;active&quot;? Yes.

This isn&#039;t even tabloid quality, this is crappy writing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Shaun Altman own the ATMs? No.<br />
Does he know where every one is? I doubt it.<br />
Can you pay any object in SL, regardless of whether it&#8217;s a &#8220;ATM&#8221; or a plain 0.5m^3 plywood cube? YES.</p>
<p>Is this trying to imply Shaun is doing something wrong by spinning facts to make it seem like &#8220;behaving in a way which EVERY SINGLE PRIM IN SECOND LIFE BEHAVES&#8221; is &#8220;active&#8221;? Yes.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even tabloid quality, this is crappy writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Greenspan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Greenspan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey somebody has to pay for Intlibber&#039;s tier.
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