It seems that the LL issues that have “appeard” today as normal grid down time, have also played hands into the boycott. While I am not saying the boycott really did reach anyone at LL, I do find it ironic that almost the same time we announce the boycott, LL announced a downtime.

And, while I never did want to hurt the merchants, I can’t help but laught that LL is their own worst enemy. Not only did they bring down the grid, they also seem to have forgotten some big computer confrence in Paris (no, im not a techno perosn, but I did see a cross post to a confrence), they also are down during some of the best times for computer service providors to sign up new customers. And, on top of it, I had theorized we wouldn’t get a lot of participation in the boycott…..but now, everyone is involved, thanks to LL

Can this have been any more hilarious?

Oh wait…yea, it could be. Not going to speculate on how, but I am sure some of the more creative here could think of something.

Long live the revolution!

Surprise, surprise!

So I don’t think we will be able to get it done, since the Lindens still have their means to shut us all down and since they are never listening to what we have to say I think they are really fucked this time if they really dare to take the grid offline… More and more people, not only forum rats, but the normal sl sheeple start to become aware of the Lindens’ recent failure… just to name three: child avis, wonderland and age verification…

Good luck Lindens, as soon as other majors (oh hang on LL isn’t a big player) as soon as a big player open its doors for us to their new and shiny virtual worlds I am off and so are a lot of others…

If Aristotle/Integrity get the data, and sell it, so what? I have no political affiliation on file. My data is pretty useless to them. At worst, I get some more junk mail to bin.
I can not understand why some people want their avatar names, or the fact of their involvement in SL kept secret – what a strange notion, really!

If you do something in SL that you don’t want known in RL, you should rethink what you do in SL.

SL is NOT A GAME. With a bothway interchangeable currency, no set goals, quests, tasks, no score or health/stamina/agility, and no winning/losing, it is definitely not a game.
SL is a virtual world with a very real economy.

The fact that many residents cash out money frequently proves that. SL is not a way to live your deviant fantasies in the context of a “game”, not anymore.

Get REAL!

– Verified, but not flagging (yet!)

go ahead, surf to Integrity’s homepage. Follow some links around, see where they are coming from.

I’m not being crazy, they state on thier mother company’s website themselves, that they do sell all the data they collect, it’s their buisness.

The fact that I don’t want my info to end up in certain agency’s databases, is a whole different story.

I’m not spinning anything here, or trying to sell my system on this post, I haven’t even named my system here. I’ve only stated what I will and won’t be doing on my own land.

You’re right that I am responsible morally, socially and legally for what goes on on my land. Therefore I prefer to use my own methods of security on my land, keep my own records, and defend myself if and when it is necessary. I know that I can not depend on Linden Lab or Integrity and I don’t intend to.

I’ve made my intentions clear to the Lindens, I’ve asked what the penalty would be for choosing my own methods of protection, they’ve told me that there will be no penalty from them directly and that I am responsible for what goes on on my own land. That’s exactly what I expected them to say and I’m fine with it. I am hoping they stick to that.

I’ve made my choice. I choose to trust myself, my partners, and the system we’ve created for ourselves rather than trust a company that calls itself “Integrity”. I am fully prepared to accept the consequences if and when they come.

a feature that has been around for a while now!

“but we dont want to put off potential newcomers” is the other thought. no one uses this because of this reason.

because a new user who’s testing the waters may not have that info.

Also, if I were just testing the waters, I wouldnt want to give my real information to linden labs or any other company that grabs it.

So really, the joke’s on the people who blindly sign up for this and freely give their info to a company that cant promise, with an unbreakable contract that can be tested in a court of law, that they, or any 3rd party companies that handle the data will not use the personal data for more than just verification.

If they can offer a contract that at least says that, then I MIGHT hand over some info.

but tbh, this iwll be yet another unused feature, except for some ultra paranoid people.

The Lindens do not decide who is liable. The courts do.

The Lindens can easily deflect the attention to the resident by cooperating with law enforcement. There are already several precedents for this, when Lindens have turned over account names and cooperated with lawyers and prosecutors in the US and Europe. So you’ll all wrong here. The law-enforcers then investigate the parties under suspicion, i.e. for child pornography or copyright theft — they don’t keep banging on the Lindens’ doors, they’d have no reason to.

The Lindens have sealed themselves from liabilty through litigation.

You have not, unless you sign up for this verification scheme.

The Lindens have real lawyers and law-enforcers advising them and crafting this policy; you have only Internet lawyers indulging your opposition defiance syndrome.

Pretty much everyone who knows anything of law knows that you cannot absolve yourself from liability due to negligence. With negligence pointed at, (the ability to cam into adult parcels, the sheer fact that LL has made it voluntary (they know if it’s mandatory their customer base will crash)) they are going to be liable themselves.

The Lindens have crafted this pretty carefully as they aren’t playing at Internet law; they have real lawyers, consult with real authorities, and run a real business. If you make a good-faith effort to comply with a regulation that is as good as it gets on the Internet, that will go far in your defense.

Again, the actual cases so far have proven this in spades — they don’t keep drilling on the Lindens, they drill on the actual suspects.

>So ignore the talk about LL dodging legal liability and putting it all on you. They can’t do that. They ARE liable for what is on THEIR servers. They are explicitly negligent in deploying a system that pretends you have control of their servers. Negligence trumps the TOS and anything else they might say.

No, they’re no more liable than tripod.com is liable or Verizon.net is liable — they will invoke the safe harbour and common carrier statuses. I don’t notice any police, lawyers, judges using in defense against any parties the idea that they aren’t really guilty, but the Lindens did it.

>Don’t Age Verify. Don’t flag your land. Publish in writing that all liability for what exists on hardware belongs to the owner of that hardware.

Nice try, but the Lindens have shifted the onus for this on the customer just as handily as the porn site shifts the owner on whomever clicks “I AM 18″ on their websites and gives a credit card.