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	<title>Comments on: Op/Ed: Privacy Please</title>
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		<title>By: tshirtkikill alias stephane from france</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17027</link>
		<dc:creator>tshirtkikill alias stephane from france</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi jessica

nice to meet you in sl. nice project you have !
i&#039;m sorry it&#039;s late in france and i haven&#039;t got the
time to completely read your sentences but i will come
back for it :)

cheers from france and search LILLE on mappy :D

best regards from north of france , dear writer

stephane illustrator and realisator of animation movies

c ya
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi jessica</p>
<p>nice to meet you in sl. nice project you have !<br />
i&#8217;m sorry it&#8217;s late in france and i haven&#8217;t got the<br />
time to completely read your sentences but i will come<br />
back for it <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>cheers from france and search LILLE on mappy <img src='http://alphavilleherald.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>best regards from north of france , dear writer</p>
<p>stephane illustrator and realisator of animation movies</p>
<p>c ya</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Woebegone</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17026</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Woebegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-read all comments again, and still insist the concept of an inheren right to privacy, like Branstein discussed (http://www.lawrence.edu/fast/boardmaw/Privacy_brand_warr2.html), or embodied in the Constitution as evolving is ridiculous. Avatars are not humans, and less real than actual living things, like animals, have even less legal rights, if any.

We all know the owners of the avatars have privacy interests, but in SL, that right does not cross the electrical membrane between the users keyboard and the company servers to protect the privacy of the user. The simplest example, the known fact that anyone can listen in and view anything that anybody else is doing, (again, forgetting the total obliteration of any reasonable privacy expectation by the TOS), defeats any reasonable expectation the human user could have while acting out as an avatar in SL. I and anyone else can view anybody&#039;s avatar conduct, even record it, or republish it, even if &quot;banned&quot; and neither the avatar or the owner can argue successfully to prohibit it under or seek &quot;damages&quot; under a legal concept of &quot;privacy&quot;.

How absurd SL players can be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-read all comments again, and still insist the concept of an inheren right to privacy, like Branstein discussed (<a href="http://www.lawrence.edu/fast/boardmaw/Privacy_brand_warr2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawrence.edu/fast/boardmaw/Privacy_brand_warr2.html</a>), or embodied in the Constitution as evolving is ridiculous. Avatars are not humans, and less real than actual living things, like animals, have even less legal rights, if any.</p>
<p>We all know the owners of the avatars have privacy interests, but in SL, that right does not cross the electrical membrane between the users keyboard and the company servers to protect the privacy of the user. The simplest example, the known fact that anyone can listen in and view anything that anybody else is doing, (again, forgetting the total obliteration of any reasonable privacy expectation by the TOS), defeats any reasonable expectation the human user could have while acting out as an avatar in SL. I and anyone else can view anybody&#8217;s avatar conduct, even record it, or republish it, even if &#8220;banned&#8221; and neither the avatar or the owner can argue successfully to prohibit it under or seek &#8220;damages&#8221; under a legal concept of &#8220;privacy&#8221;.</p>
<p>How absurd SL players can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Lawyer at LAWL</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17025</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Lawyer at LAWL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privacy does not absolve one of accountability or responsibility, and those who hide behind privacy to avoid such are griefers, and that LL protects the guilty and aids in victimizing the innocent is just as much a violation of the god paradox as helping.

Anybody on SL who is afraid of someone getting pissed off at them enough to troll them or stalk them RL is typically responsible for doing some pretty terrible stuff to people and deserves it. If a few assholes got whats coming to them in RL for shit they pull in SL, that would deter more cowardly assholes from copycatting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privacy does not absolve one of accountability or responsibility, and those who hide behind privacy to avoid such are griefers, and that LL protects the guilty and aids in victimizing the innocent is just as much a violation of the god paradox as helping.</p>
<p>Anybody on SL who is afraid of someone getting pissed off at them enough to troll them or stalk them RL is typically responsible for doing some pretty terrible stuff to people and deserves it. If a few assholes got whats coming to them in RL for shit they pull in SL, that would deter more cowardly assholes from copycatting.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17024</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what makes you different from other citizens in SL, Kalel, honestly? Just because you wear e-spandex, it gives you special rights? So if I decided to start wearing super hero clothes and claimed to be an anti-griefing group, I could get away with disclosure and harassment as well? or did you suddenly decide you were better than everyone else and told the lindens that you are?

If one person is allowed to go against the law of the land, then everyone else should be able to. After all, I&#039;ve heard that reasoning from LL themselves when it comes to banning people.

Though the problem with SL is the fact technically everyone is breaking the rules and the TOS by simply being on the grid, that the lindens can simple make up reasons at any time they wish. Goes hand in hand with a totalitarian regime, where you have a system made up of nothing but law breakers, it amounts to control over what they do and think.

You help enable this.

Linden Labs is a dirty company, they dont really give a shit about anyone, not even you. They will get rid of you when they see you as a threat to their profit, they also clearly state that if worse comes to worse, they will sell all of your personal info to squeeze some final profit out of their users. They dont say how much of the info they sell either, which is good and bad. good if say, it&#039;s just your real name and birthdate. however we know that data is next to useless. So the bad part is that we do know that they wont be selling that info. Will they be selling your address, Social Security number? or even credit card number? This is why I refuse to give them such information.

Another reason useless features like age verification are shunned by many. When you can block based on payment info and get the same result.

The question is, for you Kalel, and the JLU, why do you defend a system this corrupt, a system that will, in the end, use you, even after you&#039;ve stopped playing? Is it even about that?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what makes you different from other citizens in SL, Kalel, honestly? Just because you wear e-spandex, it gives you special rights? So if I decided to start wearing super hero clothes and claimed to be an anti-griefing group, I could get away with disclosure and harassment as well? or did you suddenly decide you were better than everyone else and told the lindens that you are?</p>
<p>If one person is allowed to go against the law of the land, then everyone else should be able to. After all, I&#8217;ve heard that reasoning from LL themselves when it comes to banning people.</p>
<p>Though the problem with SL is the fact technically everyone is breaking the rules and the TOS by simply being on the grid, that the lindens can simple make up reasons at any time they wish. Goes hand in hand with a totalitarian regime, where you have a system made up of nothing but law breakers, it amounts to control over what they do and think.</p>
<p>You help enable this.</p>
<p>Linden Labs is a dirty company, they dont really give a shit about anyone, not even you. They will get rid of you when they see you as a threat to their profit, they also clearly state that if worse comes to worse, they will sell all of your personal info to squeeze some final profit out of their users. They dont say how much of the info they sell either, which is good and bad. good if say, it&#8217;s just your real name and birthdate. however we know that data is next to useless. So the bad part is that we do know that they wont be selling that info. Will they be selling your address, Social Security number? or even credit card number? This is why I refuse to give them such information.</p>
<p>Another reason useless features like age verification are shunned by many. When you can block based on payment info and get the same result.</p>
<p>The question is, for you Kalel, and the JLU, why do you defend a system this corrupt, a system that will, in the end, use you, even after you&#8217;ve stopped playing? Is it even about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Yeuxdoux</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17023</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Yeuxdoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when a parcel such as Camp Lalinda in Littlefield sim (this is the closed Wonderland group from Nemo sim repoened) is flaunting decency...&quot;

How dare they be ostentatiously decent!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when a parcel such as Camp Lalinda in Littlefield sim (this is the closed Wonderland group from Nemo sim repoened) is flaunting decency&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How dare they be ostentatiously decent!</p>
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		<title>By: John Norris</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17022</link>
		<dc:creator>John Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a big deal for folks involved in various support and healthcare groups.  SL can be quite a help to folks. However, they need to share information to each other in a spirit of trust.  With another party listening in, Lyndon Labs, this can put a damper on things.

It is articles like this that help publicize these sorts of issues.  This allows participants in the current climate to be more circumspect, and hopefully still derive some benefit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a big deal for folks involved in various support and healthcare groups.  SL can be quite a help to folks. However, they need to share information to each other in a spirit of trust.  With another party listening in, Lyndon Labs, this can put a damper on things.</p>
<p>It is articles like this that help publicize these sorts of issues.  This allows participants in the current climate to be more circumspect, and hopefully still derive some benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: RoFLKOPTr</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17021</link>
		<dc:creator>RoFLKOPTr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kalel:

&quot;The nature of privacy on Second Life is indeed a tenuous issue to study.&quot;

Study? lol, fag.

&quot;In my work, as well as that of my colleagues&quot;

Work? Colleagues? lol, fag.

&quot;the vital work that is undertaken by groups like the JLU&quot;

The vital work? You mean yiffing? That is only vital to the destruction of humankind, but okay...

&quot;as every time we post a chat log as is required to file proper abuse reports&quot;

Spamming tens or hundreds of abuse reports is not filing &quot;proper abuse reports&quot;. It is abusing the abuse report system.

&quot;we would be in violation of the ToS&quot;

You ARE in violation of the ToS.

&quot;The Lindens wisely saw that there had to be some permissible violations of privacy in order for groups like ours to do their jobs.&quot;

You don&#039;t have a job. You are a bunch of RP fags that like to fantasize you&#039;re batmans and supermans.

ITT: Focus shifts to Kalel&#039;s false sense of self-importance.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kalel:</p>
<p>&#8220;The nature of privacy on Second Life is indeed a tenuous issue to study.&#8221;</p>
<p>Study? lol, fag.</p>
<p>&#8220;In my work, as well as that of my colleagues&#8221;</p>
<p>Work? Colleagues? lol, fag.</p>
<p>&#8220;the vital work that is undertaken by groups like the JLU&#8221;</p>
<p>The vital work? You mean yiffing? That is only vital to the destruction of humankind, but okay&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;as every time we post a chat log as is required to file proper abuse reports&#8221;</p>
<p>Spamming tens or hundreds of abuse reports is not filing &#8220;proper abuse reports&#8221;. It is abusing the abuse report system.</p>
<p>&#8220;we would be in violation of the ToS&#8221;</p>
<p>You ARE in violation of the ToS.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lindens wisely saw that there had to be some permissible violations of privacy in order for groups like ours to do their jobs.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have a job. You are a bunch of RP fags that like to fantasize you&#8217;re batmans and supermans.</p>
<p>ITT: Focus shifts to Kalel&#8217;s false sense of self-importance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Holyoke</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Holyoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archie,

Griswold v. Connecticut was where the right to privacy was first invoked to allow married couples to purchase contraception.  That court case led to Roe v. Wade establishing the legality of having an abortion.  In the US, reproductive rights means being able to chose how and if a person is going to create life and not have that option controlled by the government.



Prok,
Asked and Answered

Curious readers,
Everytime Prok asks &quot;if I passed the bar&quot;, I am responding &quot;asked and answered&quot; because I already gave him an answer to that question and in this context, I&#039;m not practicing law. If you have a specific legal question, you should see your own attorney and not rely on what I say. You might be in another jurisdiction where the answer is different.

Everyone else,

Thanks for coming.  I always appreciate your comments.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie,</p>
<p>Griswold v. Connecticut was where the right to privacy was first invoked to allow married couples to purchase contraception.  That court case led to Roe v. Wade establishing the legality of having an abortion.  In the US, reproductive rights means being able to chose how and if a person is going to create life and not have that option controlled by the government.</p>
<p>Prok,<br />
Asked and Answered</p>
<p>Curious readers,<br />
Everytime Prok asks &#8220;if I passed the bar&#8221;, I am responding &#8220;asked and answered&#8221; because I already gave him an answer to that question and in this context, I&#8217;m not practicing law. If you have a specific legal question, you should see your own attorney and not rely on what I say. You might be in another jurisdiction where the answer is different.</p>
<p>Everyone else,</p>
<p>Thanks for coming.  I always appreciate your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Lukas</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17019</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote; &quot;While this right led to reproductive rights in the US,&quot;

Reproductive rights? the right to procreate?


Do you mean Copyright law and intellectual property rights?


Proof readers required.
Apply within.......
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote; &#8220;While this right led to reproductive rights in the US,&#8221;</p>
<p>Reproductive rights? the right to procreate?</p>
<p>Do you mean Copyright law and intellectual property rights?</p>
<p>Proof readers required.<br />
Apply within&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: duh</title>
		<link>http://alphavilleherald.com/2008/01/oped-privacy-pl.html/comment-page-1#comment-17018</link>
		<dc:creator>duh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was meant as a troll, Penny.  And you took the bait, just as planned.

You&#039;re so 110% predictable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was meant as a troll, Penny.  And you took the bait, just as planned.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so 110% predictable.</p>
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